I hate the lottery
Quote: lojoLottery is not gambling, as we know it.
But the people who run the lottery are on your casino floor and in your online game.
I am going to consider a class action suit tomorrow. Any suggestions?
If you're going to create a thread, rather than continuously post one or two lines that your would-be readers can only vaguely understand in a bunch of new posts, just Edit the OP if nobody has responded yet. Either way, please discontinue flooding.
Quote: Mission146This is clearly flooding.
If you're going to create a thread, rather than continuously post one or two lines that your would-be readers can only vaguely understand in a bunch of new posts, just Edit the OP if nobody has responded yet. Either way, please discontinue flooding.
It is hard to flood one's own post but i will try concede to a rule i don't understand. Mybe i need to look at the edit function and add to my own contribution? Perhaps you can open a stream of consciousness variable for such important matters, i twn to post on the fly.
Quote: beachbumbabsI've never heard of "flooding". I thought it was "drugs", maybe. At a minimum, extreme disappointment. I'm picturing lojo with a huge pile of losing tickets, ripping a bunch up, posting, ripping a bunch up, posting...ad nauseum.
You have the total wrong vision here bum, I i am at war with the lottery concept compared to gambling and if you you do your due diligence you will find that i'm just that guy.
Quote: beachbumbabsSorry, lojo; I was feeling bad for you. Not sure what's going on at this point. Night!
I am at war
Quote: Mission146This is clearly flooding.
If you're going to create a thread, rather than continuously post one or two lines that your would-be readers can only vaguely understand in a bunch of new posts, just Edit the OP if nobody has responded yet. Either way, please discontinue flooding.
Thank you for your tutelage. i will abide.
I hate the lottery because YOU will never win it. I hate the lottery because it is on casino floors everywhere.
If nobody else has information about this subject shall i simply stfu? Or educate.
whatever. rather than being off topic on the gtech thread i said i would create a new one. Maybe I'll just post news if allowed.
This is serious stuff Mission. i agree though, if no one participates, it is nor important to the forum. Thank you for your tutelage and even patience in your ignorance http://www.opap.gr/ I will wait to engage, or not, whatever I don't play
Quote: lojoif you are gonna knick me, might as well make it now. I operate off stream of consciousness. Damn shame if so - the retard gets booted again because he can't learn the social ways that don't matter! damn, last call. It is not a matter of respect for your rules, it's just the way i roll. This is my last bastion. I'll give the respect it deserves. please forgive the flood, i willtry to consolidate them in the future, prolly not, and that is not disrespect, that is lojo stream of consciousness. I will try. Knick me when you need too, but please be sure why that was. I was bootedfrom Cm for rudeness once, sure i told a rogue promoter to stfu, I was booted from casinomeister another time for calling Max D an asshole, and he sure is. I have been booted from most other affiliate-centric-sites for telling it like it is (whether stfu or asshole) but I do not intend to be booted from here over semanics or niceties. I comport myself just fine here, thank you. I will watch the flood but no promises
It seems like you have a self-control problem. Perhaps you need to learn to behave yourself on another person's site? Let me explain. Wizard owns this site. That means it is as much private property as say Caesars. Just as Caesars has certain behavior standards (eg: shirt and shoes required) there are standards here. You were politely asked to not "flood." It was politely explained what "flooding" is and how to correct it.
In reply you have a paragraph that first is pushing the limits of language standards here (this is a PG-13 site) as you have before (I believe I saw at least one f-bomb elsewhere) as well as says you will try but do not care as "hey, this is me and if you do not accept it then it is *your* problem." Bragging about being booted from other places, i can assure you, will not impress folks here.
We are all just guests on this site, but you are acting like you are at home.
The lottery is considered by many to be a voluntary tax vehicle. People know the difficult odds. Many games fund education and public works general fund.
The lottery is okay. I hit 5 out of 6 back in 1989 or 1990. I was paid $3329.00. 6 of 6 would have been 12 million. Yes, I still think about it and the pangs it causes.
Good Luck!
Maybe that will work for you, maybe not.
Hopefully, you will soon add this site to your resume.
Quote: Buzzard" I have been booted from most other affiliate-centric-sites "
Hopefully, you will soon add this site to your resume.
Or sober up - whichever comes first.
Quote: rxwineIf you edit your post, you can keep adding to the same one instead of posting many times. If someone responds you can make a new post to respond.
Maybe that will work for you, maybe not.
Thanks, I consolidated some and will add to an existing post rather than creating new ones in future.
Best thing you have saidQuote: lojoshall i simply stfu?
Quote: lojo.....
I (unfortunately) read your BS blog post too.
Isn't your Xbox calling you?
Quote: Buzzard" I have been booted from most other affiliate-centric-sites "
Hopefully, you will soon add this site to your resume.
The difference is, this is not an affiliate-centric site. WOV has integrity.
Quote: 24BingoThe lottery is a high-edge, low-limit game with heavy payouts, that all but advertises itself as a voluntary tax. It's basically a fundraiser game. What's the big deal? (I mean, sure, it's a pain that so many states have no other form of gambling, but that's only to such an extent the lottery's fault.)
That list of states is smaller than you'd think:
VT, TN, UT, HI. Utah and Hawaii also don't have a state lottery.
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We are all just guests on this site, but you are acting like you are at home.
Thanks. Regardless of any other disagreements I will respect the House here, and appreciate the sentiment.
Quote: wrobersonI've had times like this. Just stressed out. Some heavy weight on the brain. I eventually find a solution.
The lottery is considered by many to be a voluntary tax vehicle. People know the difficult odds. Many games fund education and public works general fund.
The lottery is okay. I hit 5 out of 6 back in 1989 or 1990. I was paid $3329.00. 6 of 6 would have been 12 million. Yes, I still think about it and the pangs it causes.
Good Luck!
I understand, but we are gamblers, their marks aren't. I have good reason to hate the lottery but it's hard to hold "hate" for long. I don't know much about lottery but I know it preys mostly on the weak and the poor, and I know it answers to no one. I've hit too, that's not my point.
Some gamblers are good (AP's), some gamblers are bad (Not AP's) and some of the bad ones are worse than others. They're just very bad gamblers.
Quote: rdw4potusThat list of states is smaller than you'd think:
VT, TN, UT, HI. Utah and Hawaii also don't have a state lottery.
In Tennessee we have the lottery.
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People who go out and spend $100/day on scratch tickets (and lose $30) is approaching addict status, unless of course, you know you have an advantage (which is pretty much never). Typical payback on scratch tickets here in Ontario is 58% - 71%. So, if you go out and spend $30 / day on scratch tickets, you're smoking a pack of cigarettes a day or drinking a six pack from a financial perspective.
People who play the scratch tickets for that amount of money are just too far away from a casino or don't have the time to invest in casino gambling or have self-excluded themselves. Most don't realize that they're far better off playing the $1 VP machines... problem is that you can't do that outside of a casino, but you can scratch off tickets pretty much anywhere.
As for the big lotteries, the same applies. I will only play the lotto when the jackpot puts the EV above 100% (despite the massive odds against that I will hit it).
But there are lots of small lotteries here in Ontario, including daily kenos, a Pick 2, dice games, poker games, and all kinds of crap.
Quote: lojoI understand, but we are gamblers, their marks aren't. I have good reason to hate the lottery but it's hard to hold "hate" for long. I don't know much about lottery but I know it preys mostly on the weak and the poor, and I know it answers to no one. I've hit too, that's not my point.
I'm not sure what you've been blabbering about for four pages. It seems more emotion than anything else. You said something about suing lotteries but admit to not understanding them. Your social comments about "preys mostly on the weak and the poor" are old hat of no particular interest or relevance since very few things in life prey upon the strong and the wealthy. It appears you are without standing to file any such lawsuit in any court of competent jurisdiction anyway.
If you want to develop a thread for a reasonable discussion you are going to have to make a more precise post or two but if you are here merely to echo these irrelevant arguments about an excessive impact amongst the poor may I suggest you go elsewhere. I'm sure many of the posters here might care about racial or economic or educational issues but this is not a proper forum to discuss them. This is a gambling forum. So I suggest you either frame a proper topic as a discussion appropriate to a gambling forum.
Quote: Mission146Insofar as the lottery is a gamble, and, "Gamblers," can be summarily defined as, "People who gamble," I would say those who play the lottery...especially with regularity...are gamblers.
Some gamblers are good (AP's), some gamblers are bad (Not AP's) and some of the bad ones are worse than others. They're just very bad gamblers.
Sure, but some "companies" and I'll go with concepts here rather than talk about gtech or sci-games, prey on the weak. Maybe I should rephrase my statement of "hating" lotteries and say i despise predators. We are talking miles and miles beyond the yard stick of anyone who has a clue what advantage play is when we speak of lotteries.
If you will be so kind, I will show that lottery machines are confused with "gambling" daily and the odds are worse than anyone would like to compare. But that s for another time, when we can get on the same page about the difference between a fair game and fleecing. I have a ton of opinion and fact and am not really good at laying out either. Your tuteledge is appreciated in the ways of social interation.
Quote: FleaStiffI'm not sure what you've been blabbering about for four pages. It seems more emotion than anything else. You said something about suing lotteries but admit to not understanding them. Your social comments about "preys mostly on the weak and the poor" are old hat of no particular interest or relevance since very few things in life prey upon the strong and the wealthy. It appears you are without standing to file any such lawsuit in any court of competent jurisdiction anyway.
If you want to develop a thread for a reasonable discussion you are going to have to make a more precise post or two but if you are here merely to echo these irrelevant arguments about an excessive impact amongst the poor may I suggest you go elsewhere. I'm sure many of the posters here might care about racial or economic or educational issues but this is not a proper forum to discuss them. This is a gambling forum. So I suggest you either frame a proper topic as a discussion appropriate to a gambling forum.
Please don't confuse my politics with this issue. Read a thread for what it is worth. I have a memory from hell, so I belive it was you fleastiff (correct me if I am wrong) who first mentioned on this forum a case in Syracuse where gtech had bad machines and the result was covered up. I attempted to lay credence to your claim (or reference to a news article, whatever) and was stopped full stop. So say what you are saying, don't make me out to be a bleeding heart liberal or some crackhead. i work my own way and I know that frustrates some people, but engage me or not. I seem to be here.
Quote: lojoSure, but some "companies" and I'll go with concepts here rather than talk about gtech or sci-games, prey on the weak. Maybe I should rephrase my statement of "hating" lotteries and say i despise predators. We are talking miles and miles beyond the yard stick of anyone who has a clue what advantage play is when we speak of lotteries.
That's a fair point, but I don't see much difference between some Table Game players who buck a 10% edge, mostly due to the fact that they have no idea what they are doing, betting a minimum of $5-$25, per hand, with some dealer sitting there knowing they are playing poorly v. someone going in and paying $2.00 for a Powerball where the results don't become known until the next day.
If you look at waiting for the drawing as time playing the game, as a player is certainly playing the game between making a bet at Roulette, the ball being spun, and the ball landing in the pocket...even with the tremendous theoretical hold, the lottery can cost much less per hour!
Quote:If you will be so kind, I will show that lottery machines are confused with "gambling" daily and the odds are worse than anyone would like to compare. But that s for another time, when we can get on the same page about the difference between a fair game and fleecing. I have a ton of opinion and fact and am not really good at laying out either. Your tuteledge is appreciated in the ways of social interation.
Here's the thing, if you go to Powerball's own website:
http://www.powerball.com/powerball/pb_prizes.asp
The odds of each individual payout are laid out in the open for everyone to see! How many slot machines do that?
Quote: boymimboAs for the big lotteries, the same applies. I will only play the lotto when the jackpot puts the EV above 100% (despite the massive odds against that I will hit it).
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But it's unlikely you've spent more than even the smallest jackpot, so no matter what, you're likely to come out ahead if you ever won.
Two things you can say in favor of the lottery.
1. It probably has made more millionaires than any other form of gambling (even though millions of people lose)
2. The point from above. Most people who do have the big win likely have made more than they ever gambled. In many cases, much more. Not true of most gambling.
But the most important point of all is, you'll probably never win the big one. So, there's that on the downside. And it's a big downside.
Quote: Mission146That's a fair point, but I don't see much difference between some Table Game players who buck a 10% edge, mostly due to the fact that they have no idea what they are doing, betting a minimum of $5-$25, per hand, with some dealer sitting there knowing they are playing poorly v. someone going in and paying $2.00 for a Powerball where the results don't become known until the next day.
If you look at waiting for the drawing as time playing the game, as a player is certainly playing the game between making a bet at Roulette, the ball being spun, and the ball landing in the pocket...even with the tremendous theoretical hold, the lottery can cost much less per hour!
Here's the thing, if you go to Powerball's own website:
http://www.powerball.com/powerball/pb_prizes.asp
The odds of each individual payout are laid out in the open for everyone to see! How many slot machines do that?
I'm sorry but we just aren't on the same page here. May i throw in a distractor and we'll carry on? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkwAeM5ZBVk the difference between a table player and someones' gramma is just not a line I can draw. I grew up with vegas rules then went online. I expect a fair game. Are we asking what a fair game is? I am saying that the lottery companies, placing machines on casino floors have changed the concept of what a fair game is. I know, it's complicated. What is a casino? ha! they have already won if we ask these questions.
And really, are you that far into the maths and that far from reality to say that a lottery cost less per hour for a player? I am saying that the lottery is taking the casino floor.
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Really, I mean really, how hard would it be to put 42,000,00 tickets in and win every lottery? ha! Really, I mean really, how hard would it be to put 42,000,00 tickets in and win every lottery? ha!
And the response to any answer is, " There ya go!". I mean really folks. they are creeping online and they are everywhere on land.
Quote: rxwineBut it's unlikely you've spent more than even the smallest jackpot, so no matter what, you're likely to come out ahead if you ever won.
Two things you can say in favor of the lottery.
1. It probably has made more millionaires than any other form of gambling (even though millions of people lose)
2. The point from above. Most people who do have the big win likely have made more than they ever gambled. In many cases, much more. Not true of most gambling.
But the most important point of all is, you'll probably never win the big one. So, there's that on the downside. And it's a big downside.
hehe i can dig but that's not what I'm getting at. I mean most people wouldn't know a spielo machine if it bit their ass. I'm talking about how many gtech machines (owned by the world lottery) are on casino floors, for instance.
I do despise the concept as well because it has never been honest, ever.
I guess it is dangerous subject for good reason.
What we will not see appear in this thead is the reasons leading portals clapped their traps when told to. But what you can expect is this venerable forum to silence me and this discussion post haste. And that is why i Hate the lottery.
If, on the other hand I am allowed to blather on in sober discourse (drunk or not) it makes no shame any less. We saw (gtech) shudder free speceh on every front. I hate the lottery for that reason enough. let somoene challenge Sci-games and you would see the same
(in a different light but the same, they are part and parcel for the moment). in this fight
Of the hundreds of rogues out there why pick this fight? because it matters, it changes everything. I guess it's not a fight. My last 2millon and 50 words are simpoly an awareness. Be aware. I actually like a strong game and think it's pretty cool that none of the other 700,000,000 gamblers I know are talking about it. So reality wins, and like i said posts ago I'm done educating
I definitely understand why you hate the lottery. It is somewhat predatory toward the uneducated, but if the majority of the state's inhabitants want the lottery, I am definitely not going to push the issue. I'm not overly thrilled that Missouri passed riverboat gaming in ~1994 since it allowed my mother to further fuel her gambling addiction, and get mine off to a running start, but it's still a bit of an issue of personal responsibility as well. My math knowledge helps keep my gambling in check...my mom's...not as much.
Quote: tringlomaneIt would be helpful if you made clear, concise arguments, and reference others on this forum with credible articles to the issues with gtech and/or spielo because these are two company names I have barely heard in my past year on this forum, and definitely these companies were not mentioned in a negative manner ever since I have been here.
GTECH is a division of Spielo, who is a Video Poker and Video Keno game manufacturer in the United States. They also provide some slots, as well.
In addition to that, they also supply software, with their G2 division, specifically to BetFred...the on-line casino who was found to have rigged games that advertised a 100% payback when it was actually a fixed 96% RTP. In all fairness to Lojo, Spielo was specifically discussed on this Forum, and now finds itself on the on-line gambling Blacklist.
Anyway, Spielo provides Class II and Class III gaming devices to B&M's stateside, but I'm not sure how that is relevant, other than the fact that lottery commissions often regulate the casinos, particularly in Class II states.
