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treetopbuddy
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January 20th, 2013 at 1:46:30 PM permalink
a little clarification on OP as if anybody cares......I'm guessing there are a few people that have made serious money gambling that have frequented this forum.....but we do know with a high degree of certainty who's never made any real money gambling or otherwise.....right Buzzard?
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RogerKint
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January 20th, 2013 at 2:21:43 PM permalink
Quote: treetopbuddy

The obsession with the negative expectation of casino games and the number crunching that goes on infinitum in most of the forums is extremely boring and self serving. Posters fighting over hundredths of a percent speaks for itself. I get the impression that most of the folks on this site lay in wait for "fresh meat" and pounce. Since most consider themselves Advantaged Players they take what they believe to be the high ground thus peering down on the "chumps" that dare try to beat a negative expectation game.

Advantage Players :-).....are not stalking in forums....they are quietly winning. "Those that can do....do and those that can't... teach". I'm am 100% sure that nobody in this forum is making serious money playing any game. The real players are not wasting time in chat rooms on goofy circular arguments.

The Wizard of Vegas site is nothing more than a mutual admiration society with the Wizard being the titular head.



If I'm ever backroomed or no-mailed I'll remember to let surveillance know that posting on WizardofVegas.com disqualifies me from making any sort of advantage play.
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treetopbuddy
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January 20th, 2013 at 3:25:16 PM permalink
O.K. you do that....
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kewlj
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January 20th, 2013 at 3:57:47 PM permalink
I am not sure I understand the purpose of your post? I guess to claim that members may not be who or what they claim??? Does that really need to be said? This is the internet for gosh sakes. There are no skill checks or lie detector tests. Are these some trolls and members living in a fantasy world? No doubt. But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who is who. I am certainly not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I can figure out who is credible and who isn't in pretty short order.

As for your assertion that no one is making any money. I can guarantee that is not the case. No, I am not going to show you tax statements or bank accounts, you can believe what you like about me...what you believe is irrelevant to me. I am not auditioning for anything, nor selling anything. But let me tell you this about my own history. I started posting about my blackjack career back in 2006 on another blackjack site. That was my third year of supporting myself solely from blackjack and advantage play and 2006 was my worst year of my career. I made less than 5 figures, $9200 to be exact (I believe below the poverty level...lol). That was my total income for the year. I was in a roommate situation at the time, with no vehicle to my name and we are talking many meals of Mac and cheese and PB & J sandwiches. Thank good for a few comped meals. Do you really think a person is going to pick this particular time to start bragging about his AP career. lol I was simply sharing my experiences, while trying to learn from other players experiences, much as I continue to do today.

I can assure you that there are a handful of players that participate, not only here but other AP, and blackjack sites, that are very legit. A few I have met, personally. Some I know through other players/members that I network with. Usually those folks have the same objective as myself, and that is to learn or pick up any info that can be of benefit to them.

Now, let me tell you a little something about an AP's life. A few are associated with teams and have the benefit of teammates, but for most solo type players, its a pretty solitude lifestyle. Many are single, and if they are not, they travel a great deal ( I don't) taking them away from home. Most players spent a great deal of time alone. I think that is why many participate on such sites, not only for the benefits that I have already stated, but also as an outlet to communicate with and share ideas with like-minded individuals.
RonC
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January 20th, 2013 at 4:16:45 PM permalink
Quote: treetopbuddy

The obsession with the negative expectation of casino games and the number crunching that goes on infinitum in most of the forums is extremely boring and self serving.



Like any forum, you are free to disengage at any point if you find it boring and/or self serving. You are also welcome to join in the conversation!!

Quote: treetopbuddy

Posters fighting over hundredths of a percent speaks for itself.



There are a lot of math guys here. Math guys like to get the math right. I just skip threads and sites that bore me rather than take the time to tell them I am bored. Most likely, they don't care!!

Quote: treetopbuddy

I get the impression that most of the folks on this site lay in wait for "fresh meat" and pounce. Since most consider themselves Advantaged Players they take what they believe to be the high ground thus peering down on the "chumps" that dare try to beat a negative expectation game.



I know a few folks here have talked about Advantage Play but I don't think that a majority considers themselves APs. Most of the jumping on folks that gets done around here seems to come when someone shows a nasty attitude and makes negative comments about posters or the board just to stir things up as opposed to bringing honest questions and discussion to the table.

Quote: treetopbuddy

Advantage Players :-).....are not stalking in forums....they are quietly winning. "Those that can do....do and those that can't... teach". I'm am 100% sure that nobody in this forum is making serious money playing any game. The real players are not wasting time in chat rooms on goofy circular arguments.



I am willing to bet that there are some here that say they are APs that aren't and vice versa. It is the internet; anyone can say anything...it can be tracked back to an actual individual in many cases, but most people know folks won't take it that far. I'm 99% certain that someone here is making money playing as an AP. Being 100% sure that no one is doing so is a bit of an overstatement...very few real identities are known here; neither one of us really knows whether or not there are APs here that make serious money playing games.


Quote: treetopbuddy

The Wizard of Vegas site is nothing more than a mutual admiration society with the Wizard being the titular head.



You are free to leave at any time. The Wizard did not demand your presence nor your continued attendance. I'd pretty much bet that goes for everyone else here, too.

If you aren't a troll, sit back, relax, and enjoy the forum...or don't do so. if you are a troll, I'm sure you'll keep attacking the site until a ban is issued.

Have a nice day!!
treetopbuddy
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January 20th, 2013 at 4:19:31 PM permalink
I did clarify my OP and conceded that there are players on this site who have probably had great success. There is no higher calling than taking money from casinos. My mistake was to lump everybody into same group. Your take on the life of a solitary card counter is insightful. Thanks
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treetopbuddy
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January 20th, 2013 at 4:30:26 PM permalink
Not clear what a troll is in this context.....but it's clear 'trolling" is not a good thing. Just what is the intention of these "trolls"? Seriously I do not know.
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January 20th, 2013 at 8:00:08 PM permalink
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January 20th, 2013 at 8:19:17 PM permalink
Considering the amount of mutual hate on these forums, this wasn't an even borderline viable troll.
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January 20th, 2013 at 8:21:41 PM permalink
Quote: P90

Considering the amount of mutual hate on these forums, this wasn't an even borderline viable troll.



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