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WizardofEngland
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May 10th, 2012 at 4:11:43 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

In a private game, nothing. The games on
HST were filmed in 3 days, with 3 ten hour
sessions. Lots of people were scheduled
to play so you had people coming and going
all the time. If you lost a lot of money you
might not have a chance to win it back.
But they weren't playing with their own money.
It was really just another fake reality TV show.



What's wrong with that?
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/10042-woes-black-sheep-game-ii/#post151727
jml24
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May 10th, 2012 at 4:47:15 PM permalink
I always assumed that the sponsored players were staked, that isn't a surprise. The super rich amateurs were probably playing with their own money, but I am sure they knew the pros were staked as well.

I still thought the show was good TV, although the first couple seasons were the best. I liked Gabe Kaplan's commentary a lot.

You could consider that the WSOP is the only legitimate poker TV but even there a decent percentage of players are staked. For entertainment value HSP was the best because they showed more hands so you could see the history betwen the players. In the WSOP broadcasts they show mostly random pots involving famous people getting it all in.
EvenBob
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May 10th, 2012 at 5:11:23 PM permalink
Quote: WizardofEngland

What's wrong with that?



Nothing, if they had told us it was all faked and they
were playing with Monopoly money. But nobody
would have watched, so they made a huge deal
out of the amounts being played.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
rainman
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May 10th, 2012 at 5:35:47 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Nothing, if they had told us it was all faked and they
were playing with Monopoly money. But nobody
would have watched, so they made a huge deal
out of the amounts being played.



Exactly, I use to watch this show,
But I would have not if I knew most of the players had no skin in the game.
Ibeatyouraces
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May 10th, 2012 at 5:45:25 PM permalink
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
fremont4ever
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May 10th, 2012 at 7:18:08 PM permalink
Quote: jml24

You could consider that the WSOP is the only legitimate poker TV but even there a decent percentage of players are staked. For entertainment value HSP was the best because they showed more hands so you could see the history betwen the players. In the WSOP broadcasts they show mostly random pots involving famous people getting it all in.



Being staked is different than the allegations made in the article. If you're staked, you're still playing to win because (a) presumably you still have some skin in your game and you want to make as much as possible for yourself, and (b) you're obligated to make as much as possible for your backer(s). If you're given a bankroll that you don't get to keep - win or lose - you'd probably play to entertain the crowd.

And the final days of the WSOP main event last year were actually broadcast LIVE. Some of you I'm sure would think it would be worse than watching paint dry, but I found it fascinating.
EvenBob
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May 10th, 2012 at 7:54:00 PM permalink
Quote: fremont4ever

presumably you still have some skin in your game and you want to make as much as possible for yourself,



Insiders have been saying for years it was faked. Does
anybody really believe that little toad Daniel Negreanu
would bring a million dollars to a poker game? In cash?
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Tiltpoul
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May 10th, 2012 at 7:56:40 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Insiders have been saying for years it was faked. Does anybody really believe that little toad Daniel Negreanu would bring a million dollars to a poker game? In cash?



Which is funny, because he was not a Full Tilt player... at least, not one who was a "sponsor/spokesperson" player.
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EvenBob
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May 10th, 2012 at 8:09:17 PM permalink
A big criticism about the players by people who
knew them, was most of them didn't have hundreds
of thousands in cash just laying around. Most of
them don't do nearly as well as their reputations
made out.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
buzzpaff
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May 10th, 2012 at 8:14:26 PM permalink
Jamie Gold always bragged about consistently winning big money in Hollywood games. So why did he need a backer in the WSOP ?
Better yet, why did the backer have to sue to get his money?

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