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Joeman
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February 3rd, 2019 at 11:47:13 AM permalink
Apologies for digging up an old thread, but this seemed like the best place to put this.

I was at the local card room yesterday, and a guy at the table hit a $300 high hand jackpot. They paid him in chips, and after our table had broken up when the morning high hand promotion ended, he went to the cashier to cash his chips. A few minutes later, we both wound up at the same Omaha table, and he appeared to be very upset.

He was evidently missing $100. At first, he thought he was short-changed at the cashier's window, and asked to talk to the floorperson. She said that they would check the tapes. A half an hour later, the floorperson comes back and says that the tape showed that he dropped a black chip while he was standing in line at the cashier, and the guy behind him picked it up and pocketed it without saying a word!

So, about an hour later, the floorperson comes by and hands the guy a black chip. Evidently, the guy who picked up the chip had returned for the afternoon high hand promotion, and they confronted him. They gave him an ultimatum: return the money or be banned for life. He chose the former.

Kudos to the card room personnel for resolving this quickly and fairly! Shame on you chip swiper!

Incidentally the guy who had his $100 returned to him also may have purchased (according to him) the winning (and unclaimed) $1.5 B MegaMillions ticket from last October!
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Nathan
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February 3rd, 2019 at 12:36:03 PM permalink
Quote: Joeman

Apologies for digging up an old thread, but this seemed like the best place to put this.

I was at the local card room yesterday, and a guy at the table hit a $300 high hand jackpot. They paid him in chips, and after our table had broken up when the morning high hand promotion ended, he went to the cashier to cash his chips. A few minutes later, we both wound up at the same Omaha table, and he appeared to be very upset.

He was evidently missing $100. At first, he thought he was short-changed at the cashier's window, and asked to talk to the floorperson. She said that they would check the tapes. A half an hour later, the floorperson comes back and says that the tape showed that he dropped a black chip while he was standing in line at the cashier, and the guy behind him picked it up and pocketed it without saying a word!

So, about an hour later, the floorperson comes by and hands the guy a black chip. Evidently, the guy who picked up the chip had returned for the afternoon high hand promotion, and they confronted him. They gave him an ultimatum: return the money or be banned for life. He chose the former.

Kudos to the card room personnel for resolving this quickly and fairly! Shame on you chip swiper!

Incidentally the guy who had his $100 returned to him also may have purchased (according to him) the winning (and unclaimed) $1.5 B MegaMillions ticket from last October!



My God, this Chip Swiper was an idiot. He should have known that surveillance Cameras would track him down especially if the victim was a Top Tier Member. On another website, it was mentioned that some idiot woman stole a Top Tier Member's $1,000 or something like that TITO when he absentmindedly walked away from it. He went to the bathroom or something and as soon as he was finished, he had a mini panic attack, after remembering he left a lot of money in his slot and rushed back to the game he was at and not surprisingly, the credits now showed 0 credits. He reported his loss to the Casino Management and they tracked it down using surveillance Cameras and found the idiot thief had cashed out his TITO and was playing like an idiot on another game with his stolen money instead of cashing out TITO and then running out the door with the cash like smarter TITO thieves have done. She was confronted and claimed that she was playing with money she brought in herself but the Manager informed her she was seen on surveillance Camera cashing out the ticket and playing with his stolen money. She was forced to give him back his stolen TITO and whatever money she already gambled away was put on his account as free play and she was permanently banned from that Casino. Just like the Chip Swiper, it just doesn't pay to steal money/Chips in a Casino with many surveillance Cameras.
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FleaStiff
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February 3rd, 2019 at 12:53:11 PM permalink
significant amounts will get noticed and security will get involved; trivial sums perhaps not.
doctorz
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February 3rd, 2019 at 3:42:08 PM permalink
So, exactly what law are you quoting? Is that state or federal law? I'm curious to see what law covers US currency found on the floor of a US casino.
Hullabaloo
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February 3rd, 2019 at 4:27:48 PM permalink
Can't say for other locations, but Colorado law is that "abandoned" property is there's.

https://kdvr.com/2017/11/15/casino-customers-prosecuted-for-playing-abandoned-slot-credits/
Nathan
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February 4th, 2019 at 8:06:16 AM permalink
In at least one local Casino, money found INSIDE the Casino on the floor has to be turned into a staff member or Manager. But money found OUTSIDE the Casino like in the parking lot is more fair game and will most likely get a blind eye turned to it.
In both The Hunger Games and in gambling, may the odds be ever in your favor. :D "Man Babes" #AxelFabulous "Olive oil is processed but it only has one ingredient, olive oil."-Even Bob, March 27/28th. :D The 2 year war is over! Woo-hoo! :D I sometimes speak in metaphors. ;) Remember this. ;) Crack the code. :D 8.9.13.25.14.1.13.5.9.19.14.1.20.8.1.14! :D "For about the 4096th time, let me offer a radical idea to those of you who don't like Nathan -- block her and don't visit Nathan's Corner. What is so complicated about it?" Wizard, August 21st. :D
RonP
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February 5th, 2019 at 2:40:19 AM permalink
"Found money in a casino belongs to the casino absent proof of ownership to the contrary."

How do you prove that cash is yours?
How can they prove that it isn't?

Surveillance video may not be sufficient to establish anything conclusively.

Unless there are state statutes to the contrary, the finder of cash may keep the cash until the rightful owner steps forward with a legitimate and provable claim of ownership.

Unless there are state statutes to the contrary, the rights of the finder are superior to all others, including the owner of the property where the money is lost and found. Only the true owner has rights greater than the rights of the finder of cash.

Lost chips may be another matter entirely depending on whether there are state statutes which address the matter....

In case you're wondering, I'm a retired teaching attorney.I taught courses in law and public policy, media law and ethics, business law and cotracts, constitutional law and government.....
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Nathan
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February 5th, 2019 at 7:09:30 AM permalink
Quote: RonP

"Found money in a casino belongs to the casino absent proof of ownership to the contrary."

How do you prove that cash is yours?
How can they prove that it isn't?

Surveillance video may not be sufficient to establish anything conclusively.

Unless there are state statutes to the contrary, the finder of cash may keep the cash until the rightful owner steps forward with a legitimate and provable claim of ownership.

Unless there are state statutes to the contrary, the rights of the finder are superior to all others, including the owner of the property where the money is lost and found. Only the true owner has rights greater than the rights of the finder of cash.

Lost chips may be another matter entirely depending on whether there are state statutes which address the matter....

In case you're wondering, I'm a retired teaching attorney.I taught courses in law and public policy, media law and ethics, business law and cotracts, constitutional law and government.....



They just use the surveillance cameras to back track what happened to the money that was dropped. For example, if I drop $100 on the ground in cash, and obliviously walk away and I later am like,"I dropped $100 on the ground by the Cashier's Cage at around 12 noon," they can back up/forward the camera from 11:45-12:30 and be like,"You dropped the $100 at 12:05 noon and at 12:07 a woman with straight Raven Black hair wearing a red shirt and black pants and white Nike shoes picked it up and if they forward it even further they can be like she was last at the Fu Doa Le Slot playing at it just a few minutes ago," and then we can go confront her and try to get my money back.
In both The Hunger Games and in gambling, may the odds be ever in your favor. :D "Man Babes" #AxelFabulous "Olive oil is processed but it only has one ingredient, olive oil."-Even Bob, March 27/28th. :D The 2 year war is over! Woo-hoo! :D I sometimes speak in metaphors. ;) Remember this. ;) Crack the code. :D 8.9.13.25.14.1.13.5.9.19.14.1.20.8.1.14! :D "For about the 4096th time, let me offer a radical idea to those of you who don't like Nathan -- block her and don't visit Nathan's Corner. What is so complicated about it?" Wizard, August 21st. :D
LuckyPhow
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February 6th, 2019 at 6:16:33 AM permalink
Quote: Joeman

... He was evidently missing $100. ...



Reminds me of the story of the public-address announcement: "Will the player who accidentally dropped the $100 chip near the table games please form a line to the left of the Cashier Window."
billryan
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February 6th, 2019 at 7:33:11 AM permalink
The author of one of my favorite BJ books asserts that he swings by security every time he's in a casino looking for his lost black chip. On occasion, someone has turned it on.

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