my craps strategy

im kinda a newb and want to have my strategy 100% preset for next time i hit a casino.
please read and advise:

step1
bet pass/dont pass
if point is rolled take/lay full odds
step2
make come/dont come bet
then take/lay full odds

if come passes bet come again.

btw i will flatline bet since i do not believe in systems. btw i will tip the boys

i would probably only play 1 come at a time unless im really raking it in. this would be my only area of disgression at the table. what are your thoughts on this?

this would be considered perfect strategy correct? are there any flaws here?

how many min bets should i plan to buy in with to avoid an early bad luck streak?


**i just realized this is in off topic. didnt mean to post it here. can someone maybe move this to gambling discussion.

Really, the betting strategy is fine. Your expected loss at a $10 table with one come bet will be about $.141 per pass bet, and $.136 for don't pass. Keep in mind to have enough bankroll with you as most people seriously don't understand the bankroll requirement when playing with these bets.

To avoid risk of ruin, you should have about 100 times your pass line bet. Since you are betting with two bets at a time, you should have about 175 times your pass line bet. So if you are playing at a $5 table, you should look at having close to $800 with you. It is not uncommon to have 7 or 8 "seven outs" in a row which will get very expensive with full odds.

Most of all, at a craps table, learn not to trust patterns. Just because a person has a great roll doesn't mean the same person will have a great roll next time. Just because 5 people have sevened out in a roll doesn't mean the next 5 will. The dice are truly *random*, just like a slot machine. If you have a system that rides a pattern, or one that increases the bet after a loss, just remember that the dice have no memory.

Actually, to bet the pass line and the don't pass simultaneously is not recommended. The House Edge goes up. This is not necessarily intuitive. I note you are betting twice as much, whether that partly explains it I don't know. Somewhere at the Wiz's other site he covers it, couldnt find that with a quick search.

As far as the other part of your strategy, your long term expectation would be in line with just what to expect if you gamble more. Short term, the wizard has said in a recent thread he feels the variance goes up with simultaneous, building Come bets.

i actually meant pass or dont pass i was not intening to play both at the same time. i thought this was hedging and not reccomended.

im pretty much trying to set up strategy before i play. if anyone has a strategy to share please do so. i am not looking for some crazy betting system. just a preset strategy. thanks for any help.

There is nothing wrong with your system. You just need to decide how much action you want, and how you want to protect your bankroll. Making extra bets while resolving a point really is where this kicks in I think.

Quote: jpprovance

i would probably only play 1 come at a time unless im really raking it in. this would be my only area of disgression at the table. what are your thoughts on this?

This is a step to limit your action, nothing wrong with it!

another way to limit things is don't take full odds [I often just take 2X even when more is allowed]

Quote: jpprovance

how many min bets should i plan to buy in with to avoid an early bad luck streak?

Others here are really good at computing this, I have to fly by the seat of my pants. But I have noted from experience that it is common to be up or down 10 times your typical bet with odds, if that is $25, you could easily see yourself down $250 at a session [but hopefully up that amount!]For your bankroll, though, I would have at least twice that, $500, at a session. You might buy in with $300 and keep a couple of Franklins in your pocket. If the $300 just flies away I generally walk away.

How many sessions will you have? You will need $500 for each or plan to cut out the remaining sessions you hoped for if you lose big at the first ones.

Want my undying superstition? "Once the dice know your bankroll is in trouble, they will hunt you down like a dog". You will be eaten. I could attend 100 lectures by the Wizard and he'd never get that one out of me.

Quote: jpprovance

bet pass/dont pass
if point is rolled take/lay full odds
step2
make come/dont come bet
then take/lay full odds
if come passes bet come again.

Sounds like a good basic strategy. Though I would assume that you mean PassLine OR DontPassLine. I trust you realize that to be laying odds you will need a bit more of a bankroll than if you were a "Right" bettor. I also suggest you adopt a 90percent Risk of Ruin avoidance in determining your bet amounts.

Now as to that initial "Right or Wrong" bettor decision, you can base your choice on the activity of the table just prior to your arrival, a coin toss or whether the table is facting the sunrise.

If you are a newbie I wouldn't bet the dark side while learning the game. You are unlikely to get much conversation/help from the rest of the players. Bet with the table and I think you will have a more enjoyable experience. If you are lucky enough to hit a hot roll you will be part of the most exciting time in a casino with 11 of your new best friends.

The way I play craps is this: I bet $ 5 on the pass line. If a 6,8 is the point I put 3x odds if a 5 or 9 is rolled I put 2x odds and a 4,10 I put single odds. I then make a come bet, then do the same with the odds and then another come bet. I like having 3 numbers working. I know I should always take max odds to lower the house edge, but that requires a very large bank roll (yes, I know I should not play if I do not have the proper bankroll) but this way of playing allows me a few rolls without wiping out my bankroll quickly (well so far it has not!) Oh on another note, is there a thread for controlled dice shooting? I got that Frank Scobelete book and most of it seemed to be stories and sales pitches for his practice boxes. I have read and practiced his methods and find the dice still being random. In theory it seems like a proper formula of force, angle, setting etc... should allow this to work. I never took physics :( I did try to dice set once, but the stickman told me I could only use one hand! It is hard to set the dice and pick them up the way Scobelete says to with only one hand.

I have a system very near yours, except when I'm playing the dark side. I tend to play with smaller bank roles, and as we all know covering those bets can get kind of tough. When I decide to play the don't pass line, I do not do any "Don't Come" because it just has the possibility of leading to bigger ruin. Yes yes I understand the math and that that bet is just as good as any other, but it helps in bankroll preservation.

thanks to all who are sharing experience and or wisdom. this forum is much much less trolly than most. im used to being flamed and called a newb instead of help.

i am pretty sure i will be a dont bettor because after running a few ( i know i need bilions according to wizard) simulations risk of ruin with small bankroll seems much much less as a dont player.

i am aware that being a dont player is not the most social thing to do. i can deal with that. thats part of why i am getting my info straight before i play

also i think i will bet dont come infinitely since unlike come bets they will not all be wiped out instantly if a number does happen to pass. its just feels safe to me. i will run more trials to see how i feel about this.

im gonna have probably a $600 bankroll ans just go all out. i understand the word gambling means gambling.

thanks again for the replies

Try Googling, "The Captain's 5 Count".

the best craps strategy is not to play.

Quote: bdschin

the best craps strategy is not to play.

AHHHHH TROLL

Quote: sevenshooter

Try Googling, "The Captain's 5 Count".

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Nonsense.

The betting style behind this method involves playing both the Pass Line and the Don't Pass Line; the Come and the Don't Come; and then taking full odds on one side.

Very pertinent information considering your original question.

You've just lost your best customer.

i saw the word hot and rhythmic shooters and i stopped reading there.

you sir are the anti-wizard

Even Frank Scoblete dismissed the Captain's Doey-Don't system... so are you reviving it?

Quote: boymimbo

Even Frank Scoblete dismissed the Captain's Doey-Don't system... so are you reviving it?

Certainly not. The boy's "system", to me, seemed uncannily similar to the Captain's 5 Count. I had assumed (and incorrectly so) that he might have enjoyed perusing it.

Quote: bdschin

the best craps strategy is not to play.

Of course you are sounding pretty Puritan.

I won't argue that you're wrong, if the purpose in life is to spend no money. A person may also be taking responsible action for himself by not gambling, if he has an addictive personality.

Neither of these things applies to me at the moment, although as for the former, if the economy keeps going like it is I may decide I have no money to spend. As far as the latter, no one need be smug about it, I'll just knock on wood as they say. But I will also not assume that one's first session at the tables will be "the fatal glass of beer" so to speak.

"The best strategy is not to play"

That reminds me of WOPR's words at the end of "War Games", which I thought was a pretty good movie, when the computer is playing a real game of Thermonuclear War, and the computer concludes after trying out millions of scenarios (none of which were winnable): "A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?"