SmartLiveCasino Cheating

SmartLiveCasino, the one thats on TV in the UK, is
cheating at roulette. They have a live dealer and
a live wheel, but the dealer isn't spinning the wheel
in real time. They show them standing behind the table
and they cut to an overhead shot of the wheel being
spun. It you watch the dealer before the spin, they
often have their hands resting on the rail
that goes around the table. When they cut to the
shot of the wheel, in the 1/100th of a second from
when we see the hands resting and no body language
at all that the dealer is going to spin, in that 1/100th
of a second the dealers hand appears inside the wheel.
Impossible unless you can move at the speed of light.

There are no players at the table. Whats happening is
this. The computer figures which numbers hit would
hurt them the most, and selects a number that would
give some wins, but not many big ones. It then plays
a video from its archives of this dealer hitting that
number. Its obvious whats happening if you watch
for awhile. The reason I post this is SLC is a big deal
in the UK, lots of people play there every day. Its
not some podunk outfit broadcasting from Malta.

So its a live shot of a dealer starting the wheel but as it slows its a quick cut to a well-chosen canned shot of the same dealer hitting the well-chosen number. No visual continuity, not even the London Times for that day in the over-head shot.
How long have they been getting away with this????
I can't get onto it just to watch. Pretty girls though.

Quote: FleaStiff

So its a live shot of a dealer starting the wheel but as it slows its a quick cut to a well-chosen canned shot of the same dealer hitting the well-chosen number. No visual continuity, not even the London Times for that day in the over-head shot.
How long have they been getting away with this????

No, there's no live shot of the dealer starting the
wheel, their hand never goes near it. You have
to watch closely for awhile to see the dealer is
always camera center, they never spin the wheel.
Sometimes she'll have a bracelet on and in the wheel
shot she's wearing the bracelet. Big deal, I'm sure they
have any number of shots with dealers wearing different
accessories.

Is that an affiliate link in the OP?

If they are avoiding the hot areas, and they do seem to show the current bets, you might be able to game the system.

The two spins I watched didn't suggest there was anything odd going on, but two spins is hardly enough.

Quote: thecesspit

The two spins I watched didn't suggest there was anything odd going on, but two spins is hardly enough.

Watch at least 10 spins and you'll catch on. The dealer
doesn't make the smallest move towards the table before
the spin because that would be too hard to sync with the
archive shot. So they stand still and there's no way on
earth they can lurch towards the table and have their hand
in the wheel that fast. They also don't spin immediately
after the clock runs out. There is a always about a 5sec delay
which is were the computer is evaluating the bets and choosing
the next number. No real players to validate the spin, no shot
of the dealer actually spinning the wheel, what a racket.

On Line casinos cheating customers ! I am thunderstruck. If you can't trust nameless , faceless , thieves, who can you trust !

SmartLive is used by a lot of players on gambling forums
and its somewhat trustworthy. Thats why I brought the
subject up. Compare it to Dublin.bet, where you can see
every bit of whats going on in real time. The dealer spinning,
the ball going around, the dolly being placed and the player
payoffs.

Only some trusted chi-squared analysis would reveal the bias.

Quote: boymimbo

Only some trusted chi-squared analysis would reveal the bias.

I think perhaps you mean that some trusted chi squared analysis would PROVE the bias but that the casinos odd failure to make the procedure totally live, reveals either "the bias" or a very high suspicion of it.

just not wanting to pay a live dealer [and a production crew and equipment] may be motivation enough to fake it

Quote: FleaStiff

I think perhaps you mean that some trusted chi squared analysis would PROVE the bias but that the casinos odd failure to make the procedure totally live, reveals either "the bias" or a very high suspicion of it.

Not really. The most obvious reason not to have a ”totally live” procedure is not having to pay a dealer (likely, more than one) 24/7. If they wanted to rig the game, there are many less suspicious ways to do it. And Bob, a computer does not need five seconds to evaluate the bets and pick a number, not even one second. So, no, that's not the reason for the delay you are seeing. If you are right, and the game is rigged, there has to be a way to exploit it. Look for where the most bets are and bet the opposite way. That should give you a much better chance to win than on a fair wheel.

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in that 1/100th of a second the dealers hand appears inside the wheel.

Their site lets you watch the spins without registering, which I did. TBH it didn't strike me as the case. There was a couple seconds delay. I'm not sure this behavior actually occurs.

Assuming the "instant hands" do indeed occur, there is also a simpler explanation: to improve (=speed up) the pace while keeping max talk and betting time, dealer feed and wheel feed may be offset by a couple seconds. I.e. the dealer feed is delayed a bit, so she can get to spin the wheel sooner rather than later.
More comprehensive observation could confirm what is actually going on.

So if the mathematics is correct, if i place n bets on a roulette wheel i will have n independent house edges - i guess this is the reason why some come with roulettes online. It looks to be far more efficient - i have a single wheel and far more playing at it then in a "normal" offline casino. Can this be right?

Quote: P90

Assuming the "instant hands" do indeed occur, there is also a simpler explanation: to improve (=speed up) the pace .

If you have a live wheel, you have to go out of
your way to show the public its not rigged. The
dealers body language is a dead giveaway that
they never actually spin the wheel. There is never a
movement of any part of the dealers body that
would indicate they're about to spin. Zero body
language that a spin is coming. This is impossible
if they were going to spin the wheel a second later.
They're not leaving that part out to speed up
anything. The show is LIVE, its not taped, they
can't leave anything out. It all geared to give the
impression the spin actually happened, when its
obvious it didn't.

The session I'm watching now the lassie does announce she is about to spin, and does move to wards the wheel. There's enough time for her to move from her position, and I also noticed she's pulling the ball from the previous location. The early session I watched did have some of the characteristics Bob mentioned.

There's a list of the previous 185 spins. If someone was a keener, they could start collecting the numbers and doing the necessary data dive.

Quote: thecesspit

The session I'm watching now the lassie does announce she is about to spin,.

Some are good at the fake, others are terrible. You have to watch more
than 1 dealer. All it takes is a few obvious flubs to catch on that its fake.
I saw a girl take a half a step backwards when she was supposed to be
moving forward into the spin. Most of them stand still and don't move at
all and a millisecond later their hand is in the wheel. Its not like they can
just reach out their hand and spin. Their whole body is involved, they
have to lean the whole top part of their torso into it.