AxelWolf
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June 26th, 2023 at 8:06:58 PM permalink
https://www.8newsnow.com/investigators/man-posing-as-las-vegas-hotel-owner-steals-more-than-1m-in-casino-con-job-police/

I have questions.

"The cage supervisor brought the money in four installments to the unknown person at different off-site locations"
WTF?

You plan some elaborate scheme (or was it simple?)that works, so why steal that much money and then hang around to get caught?
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June 27th, 2023 at 4:41:42 AM permalink
it sounds like what was simple was to provide the supervisor with the numbers to confirm that she was supposed to do these things ... it's easy to imagine that person is not too smart

the perp was probably hanging around thinking he could get more money
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June 27th, 2023 at 5:23:43 AM permalink
This is exactly the crime casino style detailed in the Netflix documentary Don't Answer the Phone.

For over a decade a sexual pervert would call fast food restaurants and convince managers an employee was suspected of theft and they needed to be searched.

He would push for hours until he finally had in some cases managers fondling employees as they searched vaginas for the missing funds

Apparently there is a psychological study of the depths one will go when they believe they are obeying a person in power they work for

You should watch the documentary. I binged watched it it was so good.
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June 27th, 2023 at 5:25:54 AM permalink
Sounds like an inside job.
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June 27th, 2023 at 5:34:39 AM permalink
Quote: vegas

Sounds like an inside job.
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Sounds but probably isn't.

You have to watch that Netflix documentary.

People can be fooled when they believe their jobs are at risk
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June 27th, 2023 at 6:02:33 AM permalink
This sounds like a plot from Renegade.
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June 27th, 2023 at 6:54:05 AM permalink
Did a CTR get filed? Maybe a SAR?

There are many gaps in this clever scheme, but that's where I'm hung up right now.
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June 27th, 2023 at 9:05:38 AM permalink
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Did a CTR get filed? Maybe a SAR?



Good one.
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June 27th, 2023 at 9:18:47 AM permalink
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Quote: Dieter

Did a CTR get filed? Maybe a SAR?



Good one.
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I don't know... "Stuff $300k in a backpack and meet me in a parking garage on the other side of town so I can pay off the fire department... it's an emergency" sounds just the slightest bit worthy of an SAR, but I'm not AML trained.
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June 27th, 2023 at 9:29:46 AM permalink
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June 27th, 2023 at 11:23:12 AM permalink
Wild story, but lots of people are order takers and idiots. Plus I imagine there’s element of years of handling bricks of cash desensitizes you to the cash.

Plenty of people send their OWN money by Western Union to strangers overseas. I’m not surprised some would do the same with someone else’s money.

The funny part is that Derek Stevens is a really public figure and visible in the casino.
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June 27th, 2023 at 12:27:51 PM permalink
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The funny part is that Derek Stevens is a really public figure and visible in the casino.
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Yes but he has a partner who doesn’t mingle with the public the way he does - his brother Greg. Very behind the scenes kind of guy.

It’s quite possible that the con guy said he was Greg.
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June 27th, 2023 at 12:45:45 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

This is exactly the crime casino style detailed in the Netflix documentary Don't Answer the Phone.

For over a decade a sexual pervert would call fast food restaurants and convince managers an employee was suspected of theft and they needed to be searched.

He would push for hours until he finally had in some cases managers fondling employees as they searched vaginas for the missing funds

Apparently there is a psychological study of the depths one will go when they believe they are obeying a person in power they work for

You should watch the documentary. I binged watched it it was so good.
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Sounds like an inside job 😏

You may be thinking of the Milagram experiment. The person in power wasn't even an employer, just a dude in a lab coat
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June 27th, 2023 at 1:13:33 PM permalink
Quote: RogerKint

Quote: darkoz

This is exactly the crime casino style detailed in the Netflix documentary Don't Answer the Phone.

For over a decade a sexual pervert would call fast food restaurants and convince managers an employee was suspected of theft and they needed to be searched.

He would push for hours until he finally had in some cases managers fondling employees as they searched vaginas for the missing funds

Apparently there is a psychological study of the depths one will go when they believe they are obeying a person in power they work for

You should watch the documentary. I binged watched it it was so good.
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Sounds like an inside job 😏

You may be thinking of the Milagram experiment. The person in power wasn't even an employer, just a dude in a lab coat
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"Sounds" but probably isn't.

However as the documentary on Netflix shows being the dupe doesn't absolve one from their stupidity.

A few managers went to prison or at least lost their jobs.

I'm sure the person who handed over the cash may still be on the hook for charges.
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September 20th, 2023 at 1:35:14 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

https://www.8newsnow.com/investigators/man-posing-as-las-vegas-hotel-owner-steals-more-than-1m-in-casino-con-job-police/

I have questions.

"The cage supervisor brought the money in four installments to the unknown person at different off-site locations"
WTF?

You plan some elaborate scheme (or was it simple?)that works, so why steal that much money and then hang around to get caught?
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Las Vegas casino thief pleads guilty to posing as hotel owner, stealing more than $1.1M:
https://www.8newsnow.com/investigators/man-pleads-guilty-to-posing-as-las-vegas-hotel-owner-stealing-more-than-1m-in-casino-con-job/

As part of a plea deal, Clark County District Court Judge Jasmin Lilly-Spells could sentence Gutierrez Martinez to anywhere from one to 10 years in prison on Oct 30.

Detectives tracked the vehicle involved in the suspected theft, finding its registered owner. Police suspect the car belonged to Gutierrez Martinez’s aunt with whom he lives.

Police arrested Gutierrez Martinez at a gym on Sunday, June 18, they said. They later recovered nearly $850,000.


so $300k missing.
I'm assuming he has to pay it back?
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