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September 30th, 2021 at 12:15:54 AM permalink
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Plenty of New Yorkers (city) have autos, plenty.

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    Well, the overwhelming majority of New Yorkers don't have a car. Only 31.9% of households do, that's less than a third. That means there are nearly two million households that are car-free. It's the lowest rate of car ownership anywhere in the U.S.

    https://furmancenter.org/stateofthecity/view/state-of-homeowners-and-their-homes
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    I wonder what percentage of New Yorkers rent cars when they want to leave the city?
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    September 30th, 2021 at 12:34:10 AM permalink
    Quote: AlanMendelson

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    Plenty of New Yorkers (city) have autos, plenty.

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    Well, the overwhelming majority of New Yorkers don't have a car. Only 31.9% of households do, that's less than a third. That means there are nearly two million households that are car-free. It's the lowest rate of car ownership anywhere in the U.S.

    https://furmancenter.org/stateofthecity/view/state-of-homeowners-and-their-homes
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    I wonder what percentage of New Yorkers rent cars when they want to leave the city?
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    I don't have any statistics on that but from personal knowledge it's very small.

    For one thing most new Yorkers don't even learn to drive. I certainly haven't ever taken a single lesson. Just no interest.

    For a few years I moved my family to Hollywood where I had some work and put my daughter in high school in LA. I still remember her coming home the first day beaming. "Dad, they actually have auto shop and driving Ed classes in High School. I can't believe it."

    Not one high school in NYC teaches either auto shop skills or drivers Ed.

    The NY Port Authority for buses and 34th Street Penn Station for trains going south and Grand Central terminal for trains going North are jam packed with pedestrians even into the late evening hours.

    That's because most NY'ers leaving the city commute by public transportation.

    Most of the cars that clog NYC are from upstate NY or Jersey, etc. Traffic is absolutely terrible. I have had friends from out of state scoff at my suggestion they travel by train and then they rent a car and scream how it took three hours to travel twenty Miles. It's usually bumper to bumper from 7 am till about 9 pm in NYC
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    September 30th, 2021 at 1:23:55 AM permalink
    Darkoz I must admit I had an edge when I lived and worked in the NYC area. I had NYP license plates on my car. NYP = New York Press

    There are designated NYP parking zones all over Manhattan, not only by media offices (I worked at CBS News) but in major business locations.

    Now a confession: when I was the overnight assignment editor for the network and lived in nearby Bergen County, NJ I took the bus in. I left my car with my NYP plates for my wife who worked in the World Trade Center. She parked in the NYP zone at the entrance.

    This went on merrily for a year. Then one day a traffic cop saw her park and TICKETED the car even though she had the NYP plates.

    She called me in a panic when she left the office for lunch.

    I told her she had to go to traffic court to get the ticket canceled.

    She went to the court. She said "my husband's car was ticketed by mistake."

    The administrator at the court said to her "I know what you people do. Your husband gives you the car so you can park for free."

    She said nothing. The ticket was dismissed.
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    September 30th, 2021 at 4:09:45 AM permalink
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    And on the other handÖÖ..isnít it true they donít charge you guys to exit the city, they want you gone huh?

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    I always figured that with the prices in the city as they are, they understand a tourist may be leaving town with no coin in pocket.

    It's less of a problem now that tolling is by transponder or plate photo, but it's tradition.
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    September 30th, 2021 at 4:35:22 AM permalink
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    Itís a Ďnot from NYí thing. When I lived in NYC mass transit was something everyone did. Outside of NYC it tends to be what poor people do. There are public buses and trains here in Buffalo, but I do not not know a single person that ever uses them.


    I would wager that the average income of commuter train passengers from the suburbs into Philadelphia is well over $100k.

    But of course they drive to the train station.
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    September 30th, 2021 at 4:58:19 AM permalink
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    For one thing most new Yorkers don't even learn to drive

    Most Floridians don't learn to drive, even though they have licenses.

    I live in Manhattan and have never owned a car in my life (I've got a license). It's an issue of practicality...the rare benefits of ownership simply don't outweigh all the downsides.
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    September 30th, 2021 at 5:20:54 AM permalink
    Quote: Marcusclark66

    And on the other handÖÖ..isnít it true they donít charge you guys to exit the city, they want you gone huh?
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    That is one twisted logic.

    Most places of value charge for entry and allow freedom of egress

    You want to go to Disneyland. You pay to get in and are free to leave when you want.

    By your logic, Disneyland wants everyone gone so they don't charge for leaving.
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    September 30th, 2021 at 5:39:45 AM permalink
    The reason the tolls are for entering is to cut down on the wait times at the toll plaza.

    Studies have shown a more concentrated exit time. Entrance times are more spread out.
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    September 30th, 2021 at 5:47:53 AM permalink
    From NY1 News: "The one-way toll was instituted by Congress to cut down on traffic building up at toll booths"

    It is impossible to drive into New York City without paying a toll.
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    September 30th, 2021 at 6:15:17 AM permalink
    Several years ago coming back from AC, I was $0.25 short of the $5 toll on the Walt Whitman bridge. For some reason I canít remember I didnít have my EZ pass with me.

    I figured they would just take my info and send me an inflated bill in the mail. NOPE! The toll booth worker immediately calls the police, and says I need to wait there for them so they can not only write me a ticket, but still not let me cross and escort me back over the bridge. Over $0.25!!!

    I hopped out of my car in the middle of the toll booth and asked the car waiting behind me for a quarter. They helped me out and I paid the toll and left.

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