coachbelly
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May 16th, 2021 at 1:27:57 PM permalink
Quote: kewlj

I, personally use somewhere between TC -1 and TC -2, being a little more tolerant if we are near the shuffle point.



Isn't it likely that the player would have been flat-betting for some or several -EV rounds
to reach a TC of -1 or -2, especially if early in the shoe?
kewlj
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May 16th, 2021 at 1:39:18 PM permalink
It is odd that coach belly and this bushwell person care more about pushing for someone to be suspended, than false statements being corrected. Does the truth not matter anymore?
coachbelly
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May 16th, 2021 at 1:42:24 PM permalink
Quote: kewlj

It is odd that coach belly and this bushwell person care more about pushing for someone to be suspended, than false statements being corrected.



I'm happy to correct your false statements...

I don't care more about pushing for someone to be suspended.
coachbelly
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May 16th, 2021 at 1:47:05 PM permalink
Quote: Wellbush

Agreement: "2. Kewlj will stay out of this thread. He may not comment on it in other threads."



That was acknowledged in the very first sentence of this thread....

Quote: kewlj

In another thread that I am not allowed to mention

Wellbush
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May 16th, 2021 at 1:52:18 PM permalink
Quote: kewlj

It is odd that coach belly and this bushwell person care more about pushing for someone to be suspended, than false statements being corrected. Does the truth not matter anymore?



This isn't about the truth is it? It's about your personal agenda to say things today like "the person making such a statement is the lost soul making stuff up as he goes along." and "I do not like misinformation, especially when the person has a history of making stuff up." and "I am not going to sit silently and give someone a pass to post false information."

You keep insulting MDawg.

Looking back in the Adventures of MDawg thread, you devoted many many many many many many many posts to claiming that MDawg is wrong and makes things up, and now you continue with the same. You agreed to stop this and you have not. Plain and simple.

The Wizard said "I will be enforcing this agreement. However, I trust both parties to be men of their words and go their separate ways."
Only gamble 'a little' for fun, or, if 'you know' you can win.
kewlj
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dawinnaatlozins
May 16th, 2021 at 1:56:48 PM permalink
Look a completely false statement was made that it is impossible to gain an edge at blackjack while flatbetting. I gave 3 examples of how this can be done, Hole-carding, wonging in and out, and a level 2/3 count with many index plays when playing the rare (decent) single deck game. these are all techniques supported by mathematical principals which is "supposed" to be what this forum is about. And techniques that players are currently using to play with an advantage, including myself.

So happens there are a couple other techniques that I know of and probably several that I don't, that I could have mentioned as well. I did the common ones to make my point.

If the gambling math and correction of false mathematical statements are a problem, then this forum has completed it's transition from the math based forum that Wizard announced to 'voodoo' forum.
unJon
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May 16th, 2021 at 5:56:04 PM permalink
Weird that Well bush felt strongly enough about this to give away his sock game 100%.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
SOOPOO
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May 16th, 2021 at 6:31:04 PM permalink
Quote: kewlj



If the gambling math and correction of false mathematical statements are a problem, then this forum has completed it's transition from the math based forum that Wizard announced to 'voodoo' forum.



Kewlj.... either you agreed to not comment on inane and factually incorrect MDawg posts or you didn't. It seems like you did. So be a man of your word and IGNORE the easily proved false posts of Wellbush, MDawg, Coachbelly, etc...

There is no doubt the Wizard has made it clear that the posts of those members are ok here.

Here is what you should have done....... started a new thread like this..... WITHOUT quoting any previous thread, start a new thread entitled.... "Ways to achieve a positive EV flat betting BJ ."That (to me) would have got your point across without breaking the agreement you made with the Wiz. I'm hoping you don't get suspended again, as your posts are generally interesting and valuable. Maybe for $5 a month I can pre screen your posts?
Wizard
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May 16th, 2021 at 6:48:33 PM permalink
Quote: kewlj

In another thread that I am not allowed to mention, nor participate on (the only time someone has been so restricted BTW), a member made a number of completely false and erroneous statements that I would like to correct. Since the checks and balance concept has been restricted to me, I will start a new thread to correct these falsehoods.



Your creation of this thread is in violation of the truce agreement.



Quote:

So the idea that "anyone who says that flat betting will work at Blackjack is not worthy of past, present or future consideration as to anything he or she might have to say" is complete nonsense. I would conclude the opposite, that the person making such a statement is the lost soul making stuff up as he goes along.



I might have let this go if you didn't bring Mdawg's name into it, but framed it as a general math lesson on blackjack. However, you had to spike the ball and insult Mdawg too. Based on a long history of prior offenses -- another one month suspension.

I would like to add that I agree with kewlj's statements on blackjack. With good rules and penetration, blackjack is beatable, barely, with count-based strategy deviations alone. This is especially true when depth charging. Also, the player may bet zero by pretending to need to take a call, use the restroom, or just leave. Then return when the count is better. It's called Wonging.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
TomG
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May 16th, 2021 at 8:50:48 PM permalink
kj is correct here.

Not betting at blackjack is always an option. Look at me doing it right now. I am not betting at blackjack.

It is also very much possible to keep track of what cards have been played without making a bet. That can be combined with flat betting to earn profits playing with an edge over the casino. When ZenKing was around, he was making a few thousand per month doing something close to that. I would guess he is still be doing it, at least some of the time.

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