mkl654321
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December 4th, 2010 at 10:29:05 AM permalink
Quote: RoadTrip

If you check the downtown "advantageous slots", than you've seen many "bonus vultures" while doing so. They are the people sitting at a nearby machine, not playing, and just watching the person on the machine playing. You can recognize them because they often are staring. Often they will be standing behind and to the side of the player, hovering. Many have "partners", and there may be two or more chatting. Psychological tactics to make a player uncomfortable, while trying not to look overt about it.



Actually, the reason why I do check those slots is that I so often find good situations left "hanging". This, logically, means that there haven't been very many vultures nearby in the recent past. I've also never seen anyone "hovering", but of course, they could be very unobtrusive (!).

Your observations could be different, of course. But there really aren't enough bonusing machines downtown to keep even one vulture in gas money.
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Martin
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December 4th, 2010 at 10:34:18 AM permalink
OK - I don't play slots but my wife does (unfortunately). Can someone give me an example or two of an "advantage slot machine" and what to look for. Maybe I can direct her (lots of luck with that) to play something she might have a chance at winning.
mkl654321
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December 4th, 2010 at 10:40:40 AM permalink
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OK - I don't play slots but my wife does (unfortunately). Can someone give me an example or two of an "advantage slot machine" and what to look for. Maybe I can direct her (lots of luck with that) to play something she might have a chance at winning.



There aren't that many left, for the reasons cited above, and to play them at an advantage, she'd have to learn to recognize them, and to recognize when they were advantageous to play. Then, she'd have to have the discipline to only play until the bonus game hit, then not play again until she found another bonus machine that had an advantageous play on it. It would resemble work a bit too much, I surmise.

If she wants to play slots but have a chance of winning, I suggest she learn video poker. Even a bad paytable VP machine will have about 1/5 the house advantage of an equivalent slot. When she gets good at the game (learns the relevant strategy), she can play at a disadvantage of 1/2 of 1 percent, or less. Then the slot club benefits can cancel most or all of that remaining disadvantage.
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December 4th, 2010 at 10:53:25 AM permalink
Quote: mkl654321

Actually, the reason why I do check those slots is that I so often find good situations left "hanging". This, logically, means that there haven't been very many vultures nearby in the recent past. I've also never seen anyone "hovering", but of course, they could be very unobtrusive (!).

Your observations could be different, of course. But there really aren't enough bonusing machines downtown to keep even one vulture in gas money.



That's true enough.

During 2009, I spent a total of 50+ days staying downtown. During the several trips I made, I seem to recall finding perhaps 5 playable situations, and my profit for all plays was, at most, around $35.00 - $40.00 net, all at the Fremont while taking a smoke break from playing poker elsewhere. There were a few other casinos with them, and I never found one in what I consider a playable situation. I probably checked on a daily basis, sometimes more than once, while taking smoke breaks from a poker game.

I saw many vultures at the Fremont during "prime time" when the casino was busy. Off hours was different, which is perhaps why I got lucky enough to find some playable situations. I do not recall seeing them elsewhere, except the Plaza homeless "Silver Miners" and they may not have the money to play them anyway.

The casino security, and slot attendants, to me, seemed to be either ignoring the "vultures" or were oblivious.
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December 4th, 2010 at 11:20:31 AM permalink
Quote: Martin

OK - I don't play slots but my wife does (unfortunately). Can someone give me an example or two of an "advantage slot machine" and what to look for. Maybe I can direct her (lots of luck with that) to play something she might have a chance at winning.



Basically, an "Advantageous Slot" is a machine that offers bonus games within the game when a certain number of "points" are acquired. The "points" are visible to the player and once a specified number of them are accumulated, the bonus triggers.

Playing the advantageous slot, the "Villain" is looking at the accumulated points, and when the bonus is close to triggering, will play only for the bonus, often at minimum coin in. Once they hit the bonus, they quit.

An example, S & H Green Stamps accumulates the stamp "books" whenever the stamp symbol appears on the screen. When xxx stamps are accumulated, the book is filled, and an option appears offering the player a choice of taking the bonus now, or accumulating more books for a bigger, better bonus at the next level. There are 5 levels. The bonus, if I recall correctly is free spins and multiplier. Level 1 bonus may be 10 spins @ 2x. Level 5 bonus may be 50 spins @ 10 x . I don't remember, and do not know if the S & H Green Stamp is still on casino floors. But it is an easy game to spot, and to see where the bonus is. Ideally, you would want to find the machine with 99 stamps if 100 triggers the bonus. All bonus levels are profitable if you can reach the next level cheaply.

If you Bing or Google "Advantageous Slots" or "Slot Banking Games", and are willing to wade through the search results, you should find more information.

I used to have a bookmark with a great site, listing most of the games, etc. But the site appears to have been taken down, and when I checked the Internet Archives and "time machines", they did not have the site archived. It was a high maintenance site for the owner, so I'm not too surprised. Sorry. :(

As previously mentioned, "banking" slots pay out less than comparable other slots along the way to the bonus levels.
Martin
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December 4th, 2010 at 11:41:10 AM permalink
She plays VP plays it well - practices on WinPoker every day for a little bit. Has hit several RSF. But she loves the slots.
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December 4th, 2010 at 1:02:17 PM permalink
Quote: Martin

She plays VP plays it well - practices on WinPoker every day for a little bit. Has hit several RSF. But she loves the slots.



Then if she wants to play them, I suggest finding a penny- or nickel-denom bonus-trigger game, and playing for max lines with one coin per line. The Monopoly games are a lot of fun when played this way--the bonus games are of extended length, during which time you aren't stuffing in any money. Maximum enjoyment for minimum expense.

Oh, and by the way---it's a good idea to actively seek out multiple point days for slot club members. You can get 1% or more cash or comps if you cherry-pick the days and places you play, plus earn cashback/free play at many casinos. It won't make up for the losses you suffer, but it helps ease the pain :)
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December 4th, 2010 at 2:59:58 PM permalink
Quote: Martin

OK - I don't play slots but my wife does (unfortunately). Can someone give me an example or two of an "advantage slot machine" and what to look for. Maybe I can direct her (lots of luck with that) to play something she might have a chance at winning.




Here is an example of these types of machines made by IGT, it was called the vision series.

Martin
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December 5th, 2010 at 3:11:34 AM permalink
Quote: clec

Here is an example of these types of machines made by IGT, it was called the vision series.

http://laslots.com/models.php?model=Vision%20Series



Thank you.

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