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January 2nd, 2021 at 7:17:05 PM permalink
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AxelWolf, you smart....How did you just now come to the conclusion that Royal Slots can do > 7,200 games an hour when I have been saying this the entire time??? BTW you are very wrong about what the players like and if you conducted some player analysis for slots you would know that slot a LARGE percentage of slot players specifically play slot machines because of the games per hour!!!

I haven't really been reading everything you write, so I'm not really sure what you have been saying "the entire time". I'm just confirming if your slot was in a real casino setting if it could clock in at 7200 sph. One can only push the button so fast. Perhaps theres something extra about your concept that's totally different than a traditional slot. There are already machines out there that basically go as fast as you can push the button.

I agree, one of the reasons people play slots over other csinos games is because of the speed of play, however, theres a limit to how fast people actually want to play. You will not see all that many people spinning as fast as possible on my chachines that allow for super fast spinning. I'm certain the most important aspect to the average slot player is exciting frequent bonus rounds that have the potential to pay big with various gimmicks such as sticky wilds, multipliers, level ups and retriggers. Graphics and sounds also play a big part. Well known themed slots may initially attract players to try it out, however, they won't keep coming back unless it has most of the elements I mentioned above.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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January 2nd, 2021 at 7:26:52 PM permalink
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B) Cash Game Poker - I challenge any WoV member to a heads up poker match. The game will either be No-Limit Texas Hold'em, Mississippi Stud, Lowball & of course California Roll. The location will be at an agreed-upon location prior to accepting the challenge, with a felted card table (I don't play online). The opponent will provide a dealer for the game. All games will start with me shuffling the deck followed by the dealer shuffling & then me cutting the deck (& I get to complete the cut) right before the dealer deals the cards.



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So I used to be a real card mechanic. You can ask any one of the SF performers that work the pier, I was a performing card magician for a couple of years & had my own street performers license. I have straight out cheated many poker games using nothing more than my hands & the deck they provided. I would never even once consider using that machine over my cardsharp skills & I'm nowhere close to the best. But I have slights today that would impress you more than that table.


Uh...

I was wondering why he needed to touch the deck at all if theres a dealer.


Whatever the case.... I'm willing to play him a heads up Texas holdem cash game if he ever gets to Las Vegas. We can have a trusted member deal the cards or play in a real casino.



Sounds good to me, but why wait for me to come to Vegas. I know it will happen eventually but you could always come to California ;)

It's just not interesting enough to make a special trip for. There are 2 yearly WOV gatherings, we even set up home poker games a few times a year, and other reasons people come to Vegas often, it just seems much easier and logical to do it here.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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January 2nd, 2021 at 8:23:43 PM permalink
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I haven't really been reading everything you write, so I'm not really sure what you have been saying "the entire time". I'm just confirming if your slot was in a real casino setting if it could clock in at 7200 sph. One can only push the button so fast. Perhaps theres something extra about your concept that's totally different than a traditional slot. There are already machines out there the at basically go as fast as you can push the button.

I agree, one of the reasons people play slots over other csinos games is because of the speed of play, however, theres a limit to how fast people actually want to play. You will not see all that many people spinning as fast as possible on my chachines that allow for super fast spinning. I'm certain the most important aspect to the average slot player is exciting frequent bonus rounds that have the potential to pay big with various gimmicks such as sticky wilds, multipliers, level ups and retriggers. Graphics and sounds also play a big part. Well known themed slots may initially attract players to try it out, however, they won't keep coming back unless it has most of the elements I mentioned above.



There are so many things wrong with this comment that I'm going to need some time to address them all properly.

P.S. ah dang it, Cobra Kia season 3 just came out. Hopefully, I don't get hooked watching the entire season tonight :/

P.P.S. So I'm quite confined you haven't read my game design analysis for Royal Slots, I think it will answer a lot of your question. I swear on my life no slot machine comes close to the speed of Royal Slots. We have already previously discussed why bonus rounds are not considered part of the slot game, I suggest going back and reading the previous comments to the advantage play thread. But even if you are correct that the side games are more important (even tho royal slots can produce payouts that are ruffly equal with the need of a side game) with a faster slot game you can get to the side games faster which is literally proving my point lol. Ask yourself why physical slot machines do so well compared to video slot machines if your list of requirements was such a thing? Just do some reading and all your questions will be answered. Let me know if you still can't find the information you're looking for, but only once you have reviewed it.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZU1I46yJs_nyDv7RnpbOFAWHG8Gj9Zj3DI8-gK2PTD4/edit?usp=drivesdk
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January 2nd, 2021 at 8:25:48 PM permalink
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It's just not interesting enough to make a special trip for. There are 2 yearly WOV gatherings, we even set up home poker games a few times a year, and other reasons people come to Vegas often, it just seems much easier and logical to do it here.




:/ Fine Vegas it is. But when I win your money the rematch will be in California! If I can make a trip to see you, you can do the same ;)
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January 2nd, 2021 at 11:41:00 PM permalink
So this guy admits to being a card mechanic and cheating in many poker games then offers a live poker challenge where he gets to shuffle the deck and cut. What a joke.

Your slot challenge doesn't even make sense. You said find a slot with a games per hour of LESS THAN or equal to .6 spins per second.

This is like saying a car has a top speed of less than 50 miles per second per hour. Utter nonsense. Every game can have a speed of less than .6 spins per second if I push the button slow enough.

You initially said no slot in the US can be played at faster than 1 spin every 3 seconds. I offered to bet I can show you games twice as fast as that. I don't know where this new number came from.
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January 3rd, 2021 at 3:55:59 AM permalink
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Ask yourself why physical slot machines do so well compared to video slot machines if your list of requirements was such a thing? Just do some reading and all your questions will be answered.


Physical slot machines get trounced in the gaming marketplace compared to video slot machines.

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Let me know if you still can't find the information you're looking for, but only once you have reviewed it.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZU1I46yJs_nyDv7RnpbOFAWHG8Gj9Zj3DI8-gK2PTD4/edit?usp=drivesdk

I had not seen a cogent description of the actual advantages of 'The Royal Slot Machine' design before. I still have not. We could have a poll to see which, if any, of the arguments in this document makes any sense to people who understand the subject. This is my favorite:

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"Fewer Errors = Greater Efficiency - All gaming machines require computer maintenance due to computations. Now just because Royal Slots doesn't use a calculated method for payline evaluators, it does however use a lot of data functions & probably more computations per game. However, Royal Slots has a lower amount of overall computations per day with less burn out because the program only makes computations when in play. Today's slots need to continuously produce random number sequences at around 1,000 computations per second. This is an inherently flawed design & is a waste of both hardware & energy just to produce fair RNG. Royal Slots could immediately go into screen saver mode & collect an energy savings + increase in the longevity of the hardware because it isn't under the constant strain of generating random numbers."

I predict that Royal Slots would be in screen saver mode almost 24 hours per day.
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January 3rd, 2021 at 7:54:10 AM permalink
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Ask yourself why physical slot machines do so well compared to video slot machines if your list of requirements was such a thing? Just do some reading and all your questions will be answered. Let me know if you still can't find the information you're looking for, but only once you have reviewed it.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZU1I46yJs_nyDv7RnpbOFAWHG8Gj9Zj3DI8-gK2PTD4/edit?usp=drivesdk

Do you mean physical reel machines vs video reel machines in casinos? Both would be a physical slot machines, no?
I'm going to assume that is what you were talking about.
I have no clue why you think physical REEL slot machines do so well compared to Video REEL slot machines? It's the Video slot machines that have all but taken over and are much more popular nowadays than reel machines.

It seems as if you're trying to resurrect physical reel machines with a twist. Thats been done already and it seem like a niche market. Personally, I dislike those types of machines. I really dislike the 90's reel slot machines, it's like torture "having to play" those for long periods of time.

If I were you, I would spend my time trying to come up with something completely new and potentially revolutionary, not resurrect the past. What will you do if everything moves online or in some totally different direction?

"We have already previously discussed why bonus rounds are not considered part of the slot game" Yes, you keep mentioning this, it makes me wonder if when there are PHYSICAL REELS involved, they considered two separate things and have special/ different requirements?

I half heartedly read through your proposal(I don't come here for homework). I noticed you have 7200 spin's listed as a potential speed, and described being able to play as fast as you can hit the button, just as I did before I ever read any of your proposal. As I already pointed out, there are already video slots out there where you can do just that. I have no clue how fast the new ones with physicals reels can go, but it's super fast, faster than 95% of the players want to go.

Please don't take this the wrong way or as me hating on you. From what I did read of your proposal, I didn't see anything that would make me stop and say, wow that's really unique, new and interesting.

You said, " I swear on my life no slot machine comes close to the speed of Royal Slots."
"comes close" is subjective, please put up a number that would be sufficient. Remember, your statement makes it seem as if your slot is vastly superior in speed, so if you say coming close is 7100 or something high, then what you are really telling us is that your slot is not really all that special when it comes to speed. Do you have a working prototype to prove your slot gets out 7200 SPH?
My slot gets out one million spins per hour, everyone including the casinos wins when they play my slots, my slots will solve world hunger. See how easy that is?

FYI, I'm the last one to be pointing out spelling errors, but, i'm not writing proposals or anything like that. In the last paragraph you spelled the name of your own company wrong(OUCH!!!!!!) >>> U.S. Paper GaNes<<<<
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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January 3rd, 2021 at 11:09:01 AM permalink
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So this guy admits to being a card mechanic and cheating in many poker games then offers a live poker challenge where he gets to shuffle the deck and cut. What a joke.

Your slot challenge doesn't even make sense. You said find a slot with a games per hour of LESS THAN or equal to .6 spins per second.

This is like saying a car has a top speed of less than 50 miles per second per hour. Utter nonsense. Every game can have a speed of less than .6 spins per second if I push the button slow enough.

You initially said no slot in the US can be played at faster than 1 spin every 3 seconds. I offered to bet I can show you games twice as fast as that. I don't know where this new number came from.



Should people be suspended for spreading false information about me???

1) the challenge states I only get to cut the cards. I ask for this to guarantee that the dealer isn't cheating me!!!

2) Your comment obviously isn't the best at math so allow me to make things easier for you to comprehend. Find a slot machine that can produce 100 games per minute which would make each game with an average of .6 seconds.

3) The only comment that is nonsense is yours

4) So that was a white lie, what I wanted was people to not just take my word for it but also check the research I published, then you would realize I was referring to physical slot machines because that's my actual plan for casino domination ;) I was only ever planning on licensing a video version of Royal Slots, the physical version will be the greatest slot machine ever created & believe it or not the physical version actually has advantages over the video version! Plus the physical version of Royal Slots will be the cheapest slot machine to manufacture & it literally has every advantage that the operators & the players care about!!!
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January 3rd, 2021 at 11:21:21 AM permalink
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Physical slot machines get trounced in the gaming marketplace compared to video slot machines.



That's not true, in fact studies have proved the exact opposite that physical slot machines will ALWAYS retain more customers than a video slot. Studies have proven that graphics & animations only attract customers, not retain them. If the customer is attracted to the side games then add a video side game to your physical slot machine. The main reason why people prefer video slots is A) video slots often have specific themes (like the Wizard of Oz games from SG) because the gaming cabinet can be reprogrammed with as many software changes that the operator wants. Video slot hands are sometimes being changed twice a year! & B) video slots are ALOT faster than physical slot machine (which if anything should prove that speed matter in a slot game!). A physical slot of Royal Slots will have fast gph speeds than any video slot machine!!!

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I had not seen a cogent description of the actual advantages of 'The Royal Slot Machine' design before. I still have not. We could have a poll to see which, if any, of the arguments in this document makes any sense to people who understand the subject. This is my favorite:

I predict that Royal Slots would be in screen saver mode almost 24 hours per day.



Since your such a great game designer, why don't you analyze Royal Slots for me? Are you too scared that I will just disprove everything you say? Is this why your asking for help from other members to rip on work???

I don't think you could provide accurate game analysis if your life depended on it, so I did the work for you ;)

https://youtu.be/aLnigwdDVRM
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January 3rd, 2021 at 11:34:33 AM permalink
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Do you mean physical reel machines vs video reel machines in casinos? Both would be a physical slot machines, no?
I'm going to assume that is what you were talking about.
I have no clue why you think physical REEL slot machines do so well compared to Video REEL slot machines? It's the Video slot machines that have all but taken over and are much more popular nowadays than reel machines.

It seems as if you're trying to resurrect physical reel machines with a twist. Thats been done already and it seem like a niche market. Personally, I dislike those types of machines. I really dislike the 90's reel slot machines, it's like torture "having to play" those for long periods of time.

If I were you, I would spend my time trying to come up with something completely new and potentially revolutionary, not resurrect the past. What will you do if everything moves online or in some totally different direction?

"We have already previously discussed why bonus rounds are not considered part of the slot game" Yes, you keep mentioning this, it makes me wonder if when there are PHYSICAL REELS involved, they considered two separate things and have special/ different requirements?

I half heartedly read through your proposal(I don't come here for homework). I noticed you have 7200 spin's listed as a potential speed, and described being able to play as fast as you can hit the button, just as I did before I ever read any of your proposal. As I already pointed out, there are already video slots out there where you can do just that. I have no clue how fast the new ones with physicals reels can go, but it's super fast, faster than 95% of the players want to go.

Please don't take this the wrong way or as me hating on you. From what I did read of your proposal, I didn't see anything that would make me stop and say, wow that's really unique, new and interesting.

You said, " I swear on my life no slot machine comes close to the speed of Royal Slots."
"comes close" is subjective, please put up a number that would be sufficient. Remember, your statement makes it seem as if your slot is vastly superior in speed, so if you say coming close is 7100 or something high, then what you are really telling us is that your slot is not really all that special when it comes to speed. Do you have a working prototype to prove your slot gets out 7200 SPH?
My slot gets out one million spins per hour, everyone including the casinos wins when they play my slots, my slots will solve world hunger. See how easy that is?

FYI, I'm the last one to be pointing out spelling errors, but, i'm not writing proposals or anything like that. In the last paragraph you spelled the name of your own company wrong(OUCH!!!!!!) >>> U.S. Paper GaNes<<<<



Yes, you are correct in that I am referring to the physical reels of a slot machine. I am being very careful to avoid the work "mechanical" for a specific reason, so when I say physical I am referring to the physical reels.

Your also correct about that video slot machines have taken over the industry. But if anything I see this as a good thing because believe Royal Slots not only can gain an edge over any other slot game, but can do it as a physical machine! Believe it or not the physical machine of Royal Slots will actually cost significantly less than a cabinet from China! And they will be made in the USA!!! This is just one of those you gotta trust me moments, I can t realise my designs to the public until Royal Slots is literally found everywhere in Nevada! And I mean grocery stores & airports ;)

So apparently you haven't played the program for Royal Slots yet? It's down below :/

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-daoqMkefHRYQJiX-CmeFNZ2eKHZpJUL/view?usp=drivesdk

Here is the problem with your speed comment. 1st try and figure out what the fastest video slots gph is before you try and compare to royal slots, trust me royal slots is the fastest (& I consider a huge difference in gph speed around 1.5x). Your right that the speed increase isn't as impressive when comparing video slots to physical slots, that's partially the reason why strategy is to dominate the physical slot market.

Thank you for pointing out the spelling error, my LPD makes me blind to seeking things like that. Btw your slot machine legally can't get 1 million games per hour since federal law states all gaming machines must have the player actively control each wager of their money. Meaning it is 100% illegal to make a machine that would automatically bet your money for you. It's not possible for any human to possibly play a game that fast so your comment's statement is completely fu** o* i* ;)
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