The "New" Las Vegas
Quote: DRichWhy wouldn't you just go to your favorite casinos management and convince them to only allow patrons with masks? Let the casino decide but don't mandate it for every casino.
It doesn't work that way. You can't "partially" stop the spread. It is all or nothing.
And the nothing will result in rotating closures of casinos, businesses and communities and doing without sports for a far greater time because some people couldn't be bothered wearing a mask and social distancing so we could open up responsibly and ALL get through this with as minimal inconvenience and death as possible.
Quote: kewljIt doesn't work that way. You can't "partially" stop the spread. It is all or nothing.
And the nothing will result in rotating closures of casinos, businesses and communities and doing without sports for a far greater time because some people couldn't be bothered wearing a mask and social distancing so we could open up responsibly and ALL get through this with as minimal inconvenience and death as possible.
Sorry, but you are just plain wrong. When NY City 'shut down' they did partially stop the spread. Despite massive social distancing, there were still hundreds infected daily without a clear path from whom they got infected. The masks and other social distancing measures have proven to be able to flatten the curve of infection, but in NO WAY has it proven to be effective in stopping the spread. How many new cases are occurring daily in states that require mask use? LOTS!!!!!!!!
Quote: SOOPOOSorry, but you are just plain wrong. When NY City 'shut down' they did partially stop the spread. Despite massive social distancing, there were still hundreds infected daily without a clear path from whom they got infected. The masks and other social distancing measures have proven to be able to flatten the curve of infection, but in NO WAY has it proven to be effective in stopping the spread. How many new cases are occurring daily in states that require mask use? LOTS!!!!!!!!
Are you certain social distancing hasn't stopped the spread in NYS?
Based on that graph I would say social distancing and mask wearing works
Quote: DRichLet people determine their own level of risk. If a business wants to require masks, awesome. The patron can than choose if they want to go to that business or somewhere else. To me it is that simple.
No reason not to revert to smoke ‘em if you got them either.
Quote: rxwineNo reason not to revert to smoke ‘em if you got them either.
I am fine with that too if the business allows it,
I really do wish someone is Las Vegas would open a smoke free casino and I hope it is successful.
Quote: darkozAre you certain social distancing hasn't stopped the spread in NYS?
Based on that graph I would say social distancing and mask wearing works
Yes. I am sure social distancing hasn't STOPPED the spread in NYC. It has decreased the spread, for sure. I would not use a 'positivity rate' for anything. To me the only hard to fudge statistic is number of people in hospital ICUs with COVID-19. There are still new admissions every day in NY. Of course, not nearly as many as a month ago.
You do realize that there are many simultaneous things going on to limit COVID-19 infections, and that mask wearing is only one of them? Are you not sure that the '6 foot rule' isn't more important than masks? Or that limiting number of people in a building isn't more important than mask use? Or that the stupid temperature taking ... (I can't really finish the sentence as I don't believe it of course). Or the increased testing has pulled more people into quarantine thus decreasing spread?
My point is not to argue with you about if wearing masks helps.... I think it does.... and I think it helps you from getting it from someone even if the main purpose is to stop you from transmitting it.
I just think individuals can decide for themselves what risk you want to take. And businesses the same. You can get medicines delivered. You can get food delivered. Decide for yourself if you want to leave your house, or let someone in. Don't stop me from sharing a golf cart.
The other thing a mask will likely do is reduce viral loads. While people may still get the virus, they will get less of it (a lower viral load), which translates into they will not get as severely sick and a smaller viral load gives the body a better chance to fight off the virus.
There are numerous advantages to wearing a mask that reduce the spread and the severity of illness. I have yet to hear a good reason not to wear a mask, other than "I don't want to and that is my right". Again, that is selfish, because that action effects us all.
I want the government to do some things for public health/public safety, and most of it would be in education.
My best friend from college died yesterday. His wife now has to pick which 20 people are allowed to attend his funeral. Someone has decided that 20 people at a graveside with masks on is safe. But 21 is not safe. 200 people in Wegman's all touching the same groceries is safe. 21 people at a graveside wearing masks is not.
Let people decide for themselves what risks they are willing to accept.
Now to your last line. I object to your last line because people deciding what risks they are willing to accept, EFFECTS ME.
Let's fast forward here in Vegas. With the spike likely coming, I expect Casinos and most businesses to be shut down again before Labor day. When (not if) that happens, and we return to stay at home orders of March and April, people will be bitching like hell. But it will be for one reason, people refused to be responsible....right from the very night the casinos re-opened at midnight. Packed crowds on Fremont street, almost none wearing facemasks.
Same with Sports. When September rolls around and there is no NFL or college football this year, it will be for one reason only....people couldn't be bothered to open responsibly and follow recommendations by the experts.
I am sorry but I will be pissed without football, locked up in my home all fall and winter, because people think it is their right to put everyone else at risk.
Quote: SOOPOODo you know how easy it would be to have cars fitted with breathalyzers to prevent a driver from driving drunk? Can I assume you are appalled that we do not have that law? Ten thousand lives saved a year? And that is not just the drivers of course, but everyone else they mow down. I've already railed on second hand smoke. If we made sugared beverages illegal we'd probably save more lives than any other action I've mentioned.
I want the government to do some things for public health/public safety, and most of it would be in education.
My best friend from college died yesterday. His wife now has to pick which 20 people are allowed to attend his funeral. Someone has decided that 20 people at a graveside with masks on is safe. But 21 is not safe. 200 people in Wegman's all touching the same groceries is safe. 21 people at a graveside wearing masks is not.
Let people decide for themselves what risks they are willing to accept.
Condolences as well.
Isn't that an argument most drug users and drug dealers would use?
Why can't a cocaine user decide for himself if he wants to use?
Right now his using cocaine is safer for the community than people spreading Coronavirus imo.
Government does take a role in protecting people including from themselves.
I do not think it is fair to say the only reason to not wear one is inconvenience. I do not think many are properly using them, especially the cloth ones. I mean, at my work many people wear the same cloth mask daily and store it overnight in their desk drawer. There is no washing or sanitation of it either. I don't know how much of my expelled CO2 escapes the mask when I breathe out. Am I breathing some of that, which is technically poisonous, back in?
I also do not know the reason for recent upticks in cases. Is it due to re-opening, or is it due to some of the protesting/looting/rioting that happened 2 to 3 weeks ago?
That said, I want the world to get back to normal. I have a trip to Vegas booked for late September and I have some tickets to see Absinthe while in town. I hope it is a great trip and Vegas is just as great as I remember it being.
Quote: kewlj
Let's fast forward here in Vegas. With the spike likely coming, I expect Casinos and most businesses to be shut down again before Labor day. When (not if) that happens, and we return to stay at home orders of March and April, people will be bitching like hell. But it will be for one reason, people refused to be responsible....right from the very night the casinos re-opened at midnight. Packed crowds on Fremont street, almost none wearing facemasks.
Same with Sports. When September rolls around and there is no NFL or college football this year, it will be for one reason only....people couldn't be bothered to open responsibly and follow recommendations by the experts.
I am sorry but I will be pissed without football, locked up in my home all fall and winter, because people think it is their right to put everyone else at risk.
No, it will be shut down again because some lonely selfish people are scared to die and scared to see others die. If we just all accept the fact that we are all going to die what difference does it make if it is tomorrow or 50 years?
Quote: DRichNo, it will be shut down again because some lonely selfish people are scared to die and scared to see others die. If we just all accept the fact that we are all going to die what difference does it make if it is tomorrow or 50 years?
It's in the casinos' best interest to try to keep as many of its clients alive past tomorrow. Each dead Diamond member must be $50,000 lost future income for CET. Maybe more. Employees are a dime a dozen, especially front line workers. Diamond players arent as easy to harvest.
. Good one. I LOL’d.Quote: billryanIt's in the casinos' best interest to try to keep as many of its clients alive past tomorrow. Each dead Diamond member must be $50,000 lost future income for CET. Maybe more. Employees are a dime a dozen, especially front line workers. Diamond players arent as easy to harvest.
Additional bet: no matter how bad it gets, no matter whether it's a second surge, a continuation of the first surge, a totally different virus altogether - if it's an infestation of Triffids - there will never, ever, again be a total and complete shutdown like this one. The people - the public - the masses - will never put up with it again. Any takers?
Quote: DRichNo, it will be shut down again because some lonely selfish people are scared to die and scared to see others die. If we just all accept the fact that we are all going to die what difference does it make if it is tomorrow or 50 years?
I mean, speaking for myself, I would like another fifty years.
I had a cousin who tried to kill himself over and over Again. (BTW, society tries to stop even that freedom from taking place).
My uncle suggested I spend some time with him as we were both teenagers. He thought I could be a positive influence.
My mom refused. She said anyone willing to die so easily is perfectly willing to take a few others with him.
I'm not saying that you would do anything crazy but your posts seem intent on asking why everyone doesn't share a willingness to die now instead of later
EDIT: in case anyone is wondering my cousin succeeded in his aims about two years after that.
Quote: darkoz
I'm not saying that you would do anything crazy but your posts seem intent on asking why everyone doesn't share a willingness to die now instead of later
Sorry, the point I am trying to make is that death would be better than an unhappy life. If you take my freedoms away I will be unhappy, death sounds much better than that.
Quote: DRichSorry, the point I am trying to make is that death would be better than an unhappy life. If you take my freedoms away I will be unhappy, death sounds much better than that.
I agree with this sentiment.
But freedom cannot be absolute either.
Mass murderers cannot be allowed the freedom to kill.
This virus is basically a mass murderer. Society needs to group together to stop it.
True absolute freedom is just chaos.
If you drove one hundred yards into a neighboring state, turned around without stopping and returned, you were required, under civil penalty, to self-quarantine for two weeks.
A neighboring state closed golf courses, as we did. When we reopened golf courses before the the other state did, one golf course had two holes that split the state line. Those two holes could not be played in our state because in doing so the players would have crossed over and been in violation.
All of these orders were promulgated by the Governor without any hearings, debates, or discussion in the state legislature.
Our state law allows the Governor to issue Executive Orders for a maximum of thirty days without legislative approval. Shortly before the thirty days are up, for every order issued, the Governor reissues the same order over again, for another thirty days. The legislature has not acted to approve or reject any order, having met only for a few hours, on a few days, since March.
There are proper laws and procedures in place to open and close businesses, govern schooling and education, and mandate "the right thing to do."
If all of the things we have been talking about here are so clearly appropriate, common sense actions that only idiots would be so foolish as to disagree with, then why, now that this crisis has been with us for more than 100 days, are there 50 or so Emperors and Empresses who can order whatever they want, and nobody considers for even a second that there are reasonable, rational methods that we have all agreed to as to how they ought to be implemented?
Even though my state is reopened, I am still sheltering at home. When I go out for groceries, etc., I wear a mask all the time.
In my state it is only "recommended" that people wear masks in public. In practice, I am now seeing about one person in 5 wearing a mask in public (excepting employees who are working -they are almost 100% wearing masks). The "wearing a mask" rule is not being taken seriously.
Physical distancing, face masks, and eye protection to prevent person-to-person transmission of SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19: a systematic review and meta-analysis:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext
It's the law!
Governor Murphy has advised any patrons refusing to wear a mask be escorted off the property
Quote: DRichDon't you think that is awfully selfish? Mom shouldn't be inconvenienced but I should be?
Quote: DRichIf we just all accept the fact that we are all going to die what difference does it make if it is tomorrow or 50 years?
Why should others accept that there is no difference between dying now and dying 50 years from now when you can;t accept that mask requirements are not a big deal? That is selfish.
Quote: DRichNo, it will be shut down again because some lonely selfish people are scared to die and scared to see others die. If we just all accept the fact that we are all going to die what difference does it make if it is tomorrow or 50 years?
Are you for real?
I don't want to die tomorrow but if you don't care, please volunteer to the Grim Reaper to take my place.
Quote: darkozAnyone who wants to gamble in Atlantic City without a mask stay away.
It's the law!
Governor Murphy has advised any patrons refusing to wear a mask be escorted off the property
A loophole says a gambler doesn't have to wear a mask when she
1) drinks
2) eats, or
3) smokes.
So a smoking-gambler can puff away all day long without wearing a facemask in a casino. Go figure.
Quote: ArmageddenA loophole says a gambler doesn't have to wear a mask when she
1) drinks
2) eats, or
3) smokes.
So a smoking-gambler can puff away all day long without wearing a facemask in a casino. Go figure.
Can you provide a link to that?
Governor Murphy is releasing more restrictions in the next few days for the casinos to open. I won't be surprised if there is some restrictions for smoking.
This isn't vegas
https://www.google.com/search?q=canada+new+covid+19+cases&oq=canada+new+&aqs=chrome.3.69i57j0l4j69i60j69i65j69i60.7931j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Quote: darkozCan you provide a link to that?
Governor Murphy is releasing more restrictions in the next few days for the casinos to open. I won't be surprised if there is some restrictions for smoking.
This isn't vegas
Sorry, there's no link to a loophole.
Just a few minutes ago during a raido news release, Murphy reconfirms that all people in casinos must wear a facemask where-ever "PRACTICAL". He did not issue an executive order to prohibit smoking in casinos.
Casinos always find a loophole to make profits over anything [covid19 or lives!] Casinos will allow gamblers to drink, eat, or smoke without a facemask . It's just another facts of life.
Update: Wind Creek Casino (the old Sands@Bethlehem) will reopen on 6/29, Monday. CEO Jay Dorris says that smoking is banned in casino except for an outdoor area located in the north parking lot.
Quote: coilmanWell we must be doing something right here in Canada ..... 300 new cases yesterday. Most of those in Ontario 216. Windsor remains on stage one all because of the greenhouse owners not taking enough care with their help getting them tested. 30 migrant workers tested positive
https://www.google.com/search?q=canada+new+covid+19+cases&oq=canada+new+&aqs=chrome.3.69i57j0l4j69i60j69i65j69i60.7931j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
We, the people of USA, must do something wrong...There were 26,643 new covid19 cases yesterday. Europeans want to ban American Jets. They think that Yankees are not too smart when thousands facemaskless attendees are allowed in the Bok Center [in Tulsa, OK] and the Dream City Church, the megachurch [in Phoenix, Arizona].
Quote:
Per CDC dot Gov:
TOTAL CASES
2,302,288
26,643 New Cases*
TOTAL DEATHS
120,333
410 New Deaths*
*Compared to yesterday's data
The responsibility to do the right thing comes down to the people here. I wouldn't trust that there will be enough consistent legislation to be enough in itself to slow things down. I miss Vegas. I think it's a beautiful city and would love to return, but I'll bite my time till things change more.
Arizona opened casinos June 1st -- with big lines snaking a hundred yards plus out the door. Many LV casinos re-opened June 4th. And here we are, three weeks later, and those two states are going off the rails. Nevada is worse than it appears, as the state will not include in their numbers visitors from out of state who got sick in Nevada.
Main Nevada export may be COVID-19 right now.
All eminently predictable. Much easier than handicapping sporting events.
https://southpointcasino.com/casino/sports-book
https://www.ktnv.com/news/coronavirus/caesars-entertainment-announce-mask-requirement-at-all-properties
https://www.caesars.com/content/cet-global/caesars-com/corporate/newsroom/press-releases/caesarsannouncesuniversalmaskpolicyinallproperties.html
The NV Governor is also having a presser today to talk about the CV19 response.
Quote: KeeneoneSpeaking of futures lines and what not...I recently noticed Southpoint has posted (on their sportsbook page) the betting sheets of their futures wagers. Some lines may be a little stale, but I found it useful. I do not know how long they have been doing this. Here is the link:
https://southpointcasino.com/casino/sports-book
Thanks for posting this. Lines get stale in the wink of an eye (or because of the wise-ass bloke in front of you in line who has the audacity to be betting what you are), but it's really useful to at least ballpark the Southpoint numbers just because getting out there takes a little work and a chunk of time for non-residents.
Also, quick shout out to Mr. Vaccaro. He and his team were good enough to publicly verify old sports betting protocols for me when some neophytes believed I was making stuff up (not to mention names, Mr. Mendelson). Anyway, it was appreciated that they went out of their way for an old sports gambler.
Quote: AlanMendelsonAre you for real?
I don't want to die tomorrow but if you don't care, please volunteer to the Grim Reaper to take my place.
Yes, for real.
I don't want to die tomorrow but I have accepted that it is a possibility. Once everyone understands that we can die on any day, that is the time to start enjoying life.
Quote: ams288Sisolak just made it official: masks required everywhere starting Friday.
Lol, no one would listen.
Freedom to infect others out the window
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/mgm-resorts-to-require-all-guests-at-us-venues-to-wear-face-masks-starting-friday-2020-06-25
The good news is that the "portable vaccine" has been around since 1972. That "portable vaccine" is called N95Facemask. Wearing it can prevent Coal workers' pneumoconiosis, Tuberculosis, Ebola virus, covid19. etc...
As of 6/26 per CDCdotGov
TOTAL CASES in USA
2,414,870
40,588 New Cases*
TOTAL DEATHS
124,325
2,516 New Deaths*
*Compared to yesterday's data
"Portable vaccine" was coined by a lady doctor. I saw her as I flipped thru one of these news-TV-channels:
CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, One America News, Bloomberg Television, CNBC, Fox Business Network, etc...
Until stocking Lowe's with N95 masks by the hundreds of millions becomes a thing, don't even breathe on me.
Quote: ChumpChangeIf only 20% of people wear masks, the R0 might drop from 3.5 to 3.0. If 95% of people wear masks, the R0 might drop to 2.3 or something. So you're all gonna die out there. #StayHome
Until stocking Lowe's with N95 masks by the hundreds of millions becomes a thing, don't even breathe on me.
The Almighty help those who help themselves. Don't wait for God, Governments, Amazon or local retailers to get you some n95facemask. You can make them (n95facemask-knockoffs) yourself per Dr. Southworth instructions @Utube.
https://youtu.be/W6d3twpHwis
Dr. Ryan Southworth shows you how to make some n95facemask-knockoffs.
If the above embedded link doesn't work, you need to google: "Dr. Ryan Southworth mask instructions".
Quote: TomGLVAC sent an email Thursday night saying "members must wear a mask". So I went on Friday, but there was a sign, saying "Masks are not required". Probably not going back. But after exercising there, then getting in my car that was sitting in 108F heat, the casino thermometer had my temperature at 96.6. The calibration is either off, or they are not using them correctly. My theory is so that they never have to deny entrance to anyone, even if they do have coronavirus symptoms.
I thought body temperature adjusts to outside heat and cold. That's the main difference between cold blood and warm blood animals. Warm blooded adjusts.
Your temperature doesn't go down in middle of freezing weather. Your body heat adjusts internally. Same with extreme heat.
Quote: TomGLVAC sent an email Thursday night saying "members must wear a mask". So I went on Friday, but there was a sign, saying "Masks are not required". Probably not going back. But after exercising there, then getting in my car that was sitting in 108F heat, the casino thermometer had my temperature at 96.6. The calibration is either off, or they are not using them correctly. My theory is so that they never have to deny entrance to anyone, even if they do have coronavirus symptoms.
Wow, perhaps the thermometers are rigged so patrons are allowed to "spend" some money inside. My lady Dentist's thermometer also had my temperature @ 96.6! What a coincident! All doctor and staff wore a n95facemask, but I had to take my n95facemask off RELUCTANTLY because of: YES MASK...NO SERVICE!
