Gabes22
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June 23rd, 2020 at 3:10:53 PM permalink
I am of the mindset to let people conduct their business and spend their money as they see fit. If a company wants to require its patrons to wear masks like McDonald's does in a State like Indiana where there is no mask requirement, or if they want to let people walk in without one. I have done both. I have gone into places that require them and happily put them on and walked in places where they are not required and happily didn't.

I do not think it is fair to say the only reason to not wear one is inconvenience. I do not think many are properly using them, especially the cloth ones. I mean, at my work many people wear the same cloth mask daily and store it overnight in their desk drawer. There is no washing or sanitation of it either. I don't know how much of my expelled CO2 escapes the mask when I breathe out. Am I breathing some of that, which is technically poisonous, back in?

I also do not know the reason for recent upticks in cases. Is it due to re-opening, or is it due to some of the protesting/looting/rioting that happened 2 to 3 weeks ago?

That said, I want the world to get back to normal. I have a trip to Vegas booked for late September and I have some tickets to see Absinthe while in town. I hope it is a great trip and Vegas is just as great as I remember it being.
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DRich
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June 23rd, 2020 at 3:31:24 PM permalink
Quote: kewlj


Let's fast forward here in Vegas. With the spike likely coming, I expect Casinos and most businesses to be shut down again before Labor day. When (not if) that happens, and we return to stay at home orders of March and April, people will be bitching like hell. But it will be for one reason, people refused to be responsible....right from the very night the casinos re-opened at midnight. Packed crowds on Fremont street, almost none wearing facemasks.

Same with Sports. When September rolls around and there is no NFL or college football this year, it will be for one reason only....people couldn't be bothered to open responsibly and follow recommendations by the experts.

I am sorry but I will be pissed without football, locked up in my home all fall and winter, because people think it is their right to put everyone else at risk.



No, it will be shut down again because some lonely selfish people are scared to die and scared to see others die. If we just all accept the fact that we are all going to die what difference does it make if it is tomorrow or 50 years?
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billryan
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June 23rd, 2020 at 3:48:19 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

No, it will be shut down again because some lonely selfish people are scared to die and scared to see others die. If we just all accept the fact that we are all going to die what difference does it make if it is tomorrow or 50 years?




It's in the casinos' best interest to try to keep as many of its clients alive past tomorrow. Each dead Diamond member must be $50,000 lost future income for CET. Maybe more. Employees are a dime a dozen, especially front line workers. Diamond players arent as easy to harvest.
unJon
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June 23rd, 2020 at 3:59:12 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

It's in the casinos' best interest to try to keep as many of its clients alive past tomorrow. Each dead Diamond member must be $50,000 lost future income for CET. Maybe more. Employees are a dime a dozen, especially front line workers. Diamond players arent as easy to harvest.

. Good one. I LOL’d.
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racquet
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June 23rd, 2020 at 4:07:29 PM permalink
Whether masks do the trick or not, whether or not it's the right thing to do, I posted earlier that I am betting the under on whether inside-casino mask wearing improves substantially over the anecdotal 20% figure that Wizard reported before the mandatory requirement was announced. I'm sticking with that wager.

Additional bet: no matter how bad it gets, no matter whether it's a second surge, a continuation of the first surge, a totally different virus altogether - if it's an infestation of Triffids - there will never, ever, again be a total and complete shutdown like this one. The people - the public - the masses - will never put up with it again. Any takers?
darkoz
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June 23rd, 2020 at 4:33:57 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

No, it will be shut down again because some lonely selfish people are scared to die and scared to see others die. If we just all accept the fact that we are all going to die what difference does it make if it is tomorrow or 50 years?



I mean, speaking for myself, I would like another fifty years.

I had a cousin who tried to kill himself over and over Again. (BTW, society tries to stop even that freedom from taking place).

My uncle suggested I spend some time with him as we were both teenagers. He thought I could be a positive influence.

My mom refused. She said anyone willing to die so easily is perfectly willing to take a few others with him.

I'm not saying that you would do anything crazy but your posts seem intent on asking why everyone doesn't share a willingness to die now instead of later

EDIT: in case anyone is wondering my cousin succeeded in his aims about two years after that.
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DRich
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June 23rd, 2020 at 5:10:57 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz



I'm not saying that you would do anything crazy but your posts seem intent on asking why everyone doesn't share a willingness to die now instead of later



Sorry, the point I am trying to make is that death would be better than an unhappy life. If you take my freedoms away I will be unhappy, death sounds much better than that.
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darkoz
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June 23rd, 2020 at 5:32:43 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

Sorry, the point I am trying to make is that death would be better than an unhappy life. If you take my freedoms away I will be unhappy, death sounds much better than that.



I agree with this sentiment.

But freedom cannot be absolute either.

Mass murderers cannot be allowed the freedom to kill.

This virus is basically a mass murderer. Society needs to group together to stop it.

True absolute freedom is just chaos.
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racquet
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June 23rd, 2020 at 5:32:53 PM permalink
In my state, at the height of the panic, our Governor signed an Executive Order stating that, if you left the state for any reason, for any length of time, you were required upon return to self-quarantine for fourteen days. She was asked if this included someone crossing the state line to buy supplies in any store that was across the border. The answer was "yes, that's the law as stated in my Executive Order...".

If you drove one hundred yards into a neighboring state, turned around without stopping and returned, you were required, under civil penalty, to self-quarantine for two weeks.

A neighboring state closed golf courses, as we did. When we reopened golf courses before the the other state did, one golf course had two holes that split the state line. Those two holes could not be played in our state because in doing so the players would have crossed over and been in violation.

All of these orders were promulgated by the Governor without any hearings, debates, or discussion in the state legislature.

Our state law allows the Governor to issue Executive Orders for a maximum of thirty days without legislative approval. Shortly before the thirty days are up, for every order issued, the Governor reissues the same order over again, for another thirty days. The legislature has not acted to approve or reject any order, having met only for a few hours, on a few days, since March.

There are proper laws and procedures in place to open and close businesses, govern schooling and education, and mandate "the right thing to do."

If all of the things we have been talking about here are so clearly appropriate, common sense actions that only idiots would be so foolish as to disagree with, then why, now that this crisis has been with us for more than 100 days, are there 50 or so Emperors and Empresses who can order whatever they want, and nobody considers for even a second that there are reasonable, rational methods that we have all agreed to as to how they ought to be implemented?
gordonm888
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June 23rd, 2020 at 5:59:29 PM permalink
I agree that people should be required to wear masks.

Even though my state is reopened, I am still sheltering at home. When I go out for groceries, etc., I wear a mask all the time.

In my state it is only "recommended" that people wear masks in public. In practice, I am now seeing about one person in 5 wearing a mask in public (excepting employees who are working -they are almost 100% wearing masks). The "wearing a mask" rule is not being taken seriously.
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