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July 9th, 2019 at 11:42:41 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Can you give me a link to the post in question?

You are really part of the Cool kids now Wizard. I really appreciate this forum, it has been a great benefit to me and I'm also glad you made a profit from your labor creating WOV.

But just as you are a huge part of this forum, so is Bob. This just isn't the same place around here without his ability to chime in on topics. The forum is lesser without him, and many of us feel he shouldn't have been suspended for such a minor infraction. For these reasons I respectfully request that you allow me to serve out the rest of EvenBobs sentence and bring back the member that is dear to us all.
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July 9th, 2019 at 1:12:19 PM permalink
Quote: petroglyph

You are really part of the Cool kids now Wizard. I really appreciate this forum, it has been a great benefit to me and I'm also glad you made a profit from your labor creating WOV.

But just as you are a huge part of this forum, so is Bob. This just isn't the same place around here without his ability to chime in on topics. The forum is lesser without him, and many of us feel he shouldn't have been suspended for such a minor infraction. For these reasons I respectfully request that you allow me to serve out the rest of EvenBobs sentence and bring back the member that is dear to us all.



Gee, petro, I've been out shopping for more popcorn, but I have to stop and ask you.

I don't know how many times you've talked about people taking personal responsibility for their actions. It's something I like a lot about you. But here you are, trying to step in the middle of someone else's gaffe and get them off the hook. Why is that?

I really don't understand all the fuss about this. You folks are saying that EB, by far the most prolific poster here, the one who loves to see how close to the line he can get, is too stupid to know what he said was not a personal insult? I happen to know EB is very not-stupid, so I don't really understand that point of view.

There was no unintentional ambiguity about the way EB posted what he did. He had many options. He could have annotated it as a joke. He didn't. He could have clarified for those reading by saying "Your post is racist" if that's what he meant. He didn't. He even could have (dare I say) pushed "cancel" instead of "post". He didn't.

There are several people trying to walk back what he said. It was one word, said to inflame, and insult - and has generated 5 pages of sputtering indignation that he would be called to account for using it on another forum member.

Or do you think it was a compliment? Not insulting somehow, in this day, to be called a racist? The same word against Joe Biden has nearly derailed his candidacy, but somehow Axel should appreciate the label?

EB is probably bathing in the schadenfreude this whole thing has generated. So you all have done him a favor-he was a quart or so low last he mentioned needing it.

So. Derailment complete. We've gone from a thank you note to lots of silliness slung among friends to insult to dragging in politics yet again to attacking the moderation for letting this place become a, cesspool, was it? All in a couple days, in a single thread.

Forums are what the members make of them. Everybody is on a hair-trigger these days. We can all do a bit better, I think.
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July 9th, 2019 at 1:25:55 PM permalink
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Remind me to never post here again. This thread should of been like 5 posts long. TOPS



At 2+2 they have designated areas for politarding. Seems like a good idea to me.

Also, regardless of what your position on the politcal spectrum is, if you can't have any sort of exchange without regurgitating a bunch of political talking points, you should probably take an extended break from politics cuz it's messing up your mind.
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July 9th, 2019 at 2:27:23 PM permalink
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You are really part of the Cool kids now Wizard. I really appreciate this forum, it has been a great benefit to me and I'm also glad you made a profit from your labor creating WOV.

But just as you are a huge part of this forum, so is Bob. This just isn't the same place around here without his ability to chime in on topics. The forum is lesser without him, and many of us feel he shouldn't have been suspended for such a minor infraction. For these reasons I respectfully request that you allow me to serve out the rest of EvenBobs sentence and bring back the member that is dear to us all.



I agree. Unfortunately, once again, we seem to be dealing with insta-suspensions by moderators who disagree with or bear animus towards the person they are suspending. I almost never participate in the political threads (personally, I dislike the hostility of the dialogue in those threads) but I occasionally read them - and its no secret that BBB does not stay neutral and "above-it-all" in these threads like moderators of other forums - rather she wades into many, many political arguments, IMO, with passion and derision for those who have different opinions. And EB's opinions are the polar opposite of BBB's.

Now the words 'racist' and 'racism" are used on CNN and MSNBC and FoxNews, it is part of political discourse to use these words to object to certain statements that are hurtful to other people. Just as the word "troll" is used to describe a certain kind of behavior on social media. Suspending people for using common useful language like racist and troll is illogical, IMO. And having a politically-active moderator insta-suspend one of her adversaries (in political threads) for a very marginal use of language used on news shows has a bad appearance. It appears like a moderator using her ban-hammer to purge the forum of people who have opinions that she doesn't like.

IMO, it would have been better if BBB had practiced some restraint and referred EB's post to Wiz or OD and let them make and implement decisions. And a more calm and clinical moderator would not get so involved in so much of the drama on the political threads. BBB will disagree with me, and Wiz is usually loyal to BBB no matter what her behavior, so he will likely claim that he disagrees with me as well. But those are my opinions and I believe there is a simple truth in what I say.
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July 9th, 2019 at 2:37:48 PM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

At 2+2 they have designated areas for politarding. Seems like a good idea to me.

Also, regardless of what your position on the politcal spectrum is, if you can't have any sort of exchange without regurgitating a bunch of political talking points, you should probably take an extended break from politics cuz it's messing up your mind.



I keep suggesting the forum be designed so only gambling topic reside in the top threads. Granted they get their own issues, but at least that is the main interest (I assume) of people who come here.

You should always have to scroll down to find other topics and only see gaming topics on opening page no matter how recent a post is.

I keep throwing this 2 cents in, and I'm almost up to 10 cents now.
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July 9th, 2019 at 3:10:30 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

I keep suggesting the forum be designed so only gambling topic reside in the top threads. Granted they get their own issues, but at least that is the main interest (I assume) of people who come here.

You should always have to scroll down to find other topics and only see gaming topics on opening page no matter how recent a post is.

I keep throwing this 2 cents in, and I'm almost up to 10 cents now.



I enjoy the broader conversation.

Even a normal person making level headed remark about politics is fine, and at 2+2 it's tolerated. Though here, that might not work. Different types of people.

Politarding is kind of a "know it when you see it" thing, analogous to porn. People can post pictures of sexy girls here, but there is an obvious line.

Politarding is a bit more of a challenge because it's so tied up in people's personalities. Their self-esteem is all tied up in it and they don't really see their behavior objectively. It's much easier to understand that posting a pic of people having sex is at least inconsiderate, even if you personally enjoy it.

The problem is with HH's remark. "Remind me never to post here again." I think it was a bit tongue in cheek, but over time, that tends to happen. Just as if people were constantly posting porn. People think, "I like some of the content here, but I just don't feel like dealing with this S," and gradually they just wander off to other places.

Been on two forums where this happened.

On this forum, once the politards take over a thread, I'm usually done with it pretty quickly.
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July 9th, 2019 at 3:38:48 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

I keep suggesting the forum be designed so only gambling topic reside in the top threads. Granted they get their own issues, but at least that is the main interest (I assume) of people who come here.

You should always have to scroll down to find other topics and only see gaming topics on opening page no matter how recent a post is.

I keep throwing this 2 cents in, and I'm almost up to 10 cents now.



Or just give the option to block entire topic areas from your own personal most recent?
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July 9th, 2019 at 5:40:05 PM permalink
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Or just give the option to block entire topic areas from your own personal most recent?



And there's probably one or more other solutions, but this same issue comes up over and over.

(and did I say..and over.)

At some point I'm just gonna say, why don't you just ban people for mentioning they have a problem with seeing post and threads they don't wanna see. That's another way to resolve a recurring issue. Do the reverse. "What?! You don't like this. Three days in the hole for you."
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July 9th, 2019 at 6:01:43 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Or just give the option to block entire topic areas from your own personal most recent?



But one thread about thanking the wizard can suddenly become political

How is that going to work?

Its a good idea btw. I just dont see how a fluid conversation can havd blocks of threads eliminated by topic

Just seeing a blocked persons hidden post in the timeline is disconcerting
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July 9th, 2019 at 6:12:39 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

But one thread about thanking the wizard can suddenly become political

How is that going to work?

Its a good idea btw. I just dont see how a fluid conversation can havd blocks of threads eliminated by topic

Just seeing a blocked persons hidden post in the timeline is disconcerting



It would be about customizing your "Recent Threads" feed. I'd wager most people just look there. Now, as we have seen here, any thread can get out of hand. I've been on forums 25 years, before they were called forums. This will happen no matter what. But customizing can help.

There are topics some people love and others hate. Not being in one you hate is a good thing.
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