TigerWu
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May 14th, 2019 at 3:37:50 PM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

The government has people getting a paycheck and not even reporting for work.



Good... they're doing less damage that way.
TomG
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May 14th, 2019 at 3:45:46 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

A bit of a change of topic, but for "race" I always check "other" and write in "human." I think because I think it's none of the government's business and I oppose gerrymandering and racial quotas, which is the main purpose of the question, as I understand it.

My question is answering this question optional, or might it get a knock on the door for an incomplete form?



Simply putting "other" should be sufficient. I don't think "human" is accurate as that would probably be considered the species, not "race". But there seems to be quite a bit of disagreement between biologists as to what constitutes different subspecies and races. I always answer "other" with nothing written because I haven't found any acceptable answers as to how these races are defined -- from what I can tell some of it is skin color, some of it is geography, some of it is culture, some of it is personal choice, some of it is just guessing. Just give me a clear way to define it and I'll have no problem answering it. Until it can be as clearly defined as age, sex, or residency, it shouldn't be a part of the census. What I know is that my oldest ancestors are from the ocean, my oldest human ancestors are from Africa, and my most recent ancestors are from America. Everything in between is extremely murky.
billryan
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May 14th, 2019 at 4:03:44 PM permalink
There used to be a website that explained the reasoning behind each question. Some I remember but some I don't want to guess at. Its important the government knows how many people live in an area. some of the other questions I understand why they want the information but I understand some reluctance. The old long form was a mess. We used to expect X amount of paperwork processed per eight hours. A long form counted as 2 times a short form.
One day,One of my guys called me and asked if he could authorize eight hours pay for this one worker. Normally I'd want to see 10-12 forms if someone wanted a full days pay for a few hours work, but this girl was only handing in one long form. Then I looked at it and there were 31 people living in the house and she got enough information from two of them on everyone. Not only did I pay her for the day but I nominated her as Census worker of the Month( she didn't win)

One last Census story. This was from 2000, in a section of Queens called Corona where the undocumented population is maybe 50% of the total population. As expected, we had a horrible response to the mailed out forms. I forget the number but it was far below other districts. We had a whole Outreach team that was set to go speak to community leaders and the like preparing them for us going door to door. It was a rough neighborhood and who knows how an undocumented person is going to react when a Fed knocks on their door.
So the local Catholic Church agrees to let us set up in the vestibule and have the people come to us rather than go to them.
The Outreach people send some people and one of my Crew Leaders has a number of Spanish speaking workers all set.
The Mass starts and the Priest begins telling everyone how important it is to help fil out the forms and how they have nothing to worry about. Its all in Spanish and I'm having trouble following his dialect but the looks on peoples faces tells me he isn't getting through to them.
Then he starts telling the Nativity story, with no room at the inn and how Jesus, the Lord of the Universe was born in a manger, far from his home because his parents were participating in a census. If the Mother of God herself could make such a trip while pregnant, and give birth to the Messiah in a stable just to fill out a census form, then no one in the church had anything better to do than fill it out today. My people were mobbed. We'd hoped to get forty or fifty forms filled out but for word of mouth to get around making our job easier. Instead, we got several hundred and people actually phoned others to come fill out the forms.
A festivus miracle, if anything.
PS- two years later, an inspection showed that one of the District Supervisors deliberately allowed questionable forms to be counted so he could get his bonus. Much of our work for some four months was tossed out and recanvased. He also was alleged to have pocketed $800 allotted for an office closing party. It must have cost a million dollars to recanvas. He got community service and a lifetime ban from Federal employment.
Boz
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May 14th, 2019 at 4:17:11 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Thank you. Interesting. Here is the 2016 form. As mentioned, I checked "other" for question 9 and wrote in "human." I view it as my civic duty to answer the form. I plan to continue doing the same, as I think it makes the statement I'm trying to make. If the Census doesn't like it, they can contact me. Plus, to be honest, I bet anyone who has an issue with the race question is probably white anyway, and they know it.



What a racist generalization.

And NO I’m not calling you a racist. But I would love to know the mathematics you used to make that assumption.

Honestly.

And do “probably “, “honest” and “bet” belong in the same sentence?
Wizard
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May 15th, 2019 at 6:07:59 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

What a racist generalization.

And NO I’m not calling you a racist. But I would love to know the mathematics you used to make that assumption.

Honestly.

And do “probably “, “honest” and “bet” belong in the same sentence?



I'd probably dig myself deeper in the hole if I tried to explain it. However, I think most people know I'm right, but aren't as stupid as me as to say it.
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RS
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May 15th, 2019 at 8:10:12 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Thank you. Interesting. Here is the 2016 form. As mentioned, I checked "other" for question 9 and wrote in "human." I view it as my civic duty to answer the form. I plan to continue doing the same, as I think it makes the statement I'm trying to make. If the Census doesn't like it, they can contact me. Plus, to be honest, I bet anyone who has an issue with the race question is probably white anyway, and they know it.


What are the legalities behind filling out a census form?

1. What if I lie on it, am I breaking the law? The form doesn't appear to have a signature area. I don't see any of the "Under penalty of law/perjury..." clauses in there
2. Same thing applies, but if a census person changes your answer. Let's say I leave my "race" blank and he marks it as "white" or w/e, is he breaking the law?
3. I assume filling out the form isn't required by law....or is it?

Also, what exactly is "Spanish/Latino origin" mean? How is it different than race? Also LOL at asking for the person's age as of April 1....but then it also asks for their date of birth. Also LOL at the following...

Quote:

You may e-mail comments to <Paperwork@census.gov>; use "Paperwork Project 0607-0919-C" as the subject.



PAPERWORK PROJECT 0607-0919-C

hahahahahaahaa, yeah I'm sure everyone's doing that..smh.
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AZDuffman
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May 16th, 2019 at 2:22:33 AM permalink
Quote: mcallister3200

I will be boycotting and or protesting the census in 2020. Can you just tell them to get off your lawn, or cease and desist when those nosey pro census peoples come around? I want my census monies spent on more important things, like secure borders and more permanent jobs for border patrol.



Just mail in the form and nobody should show up. The census is a Constitutional requirement, though all the questions beyond the count are not.
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