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May 9th, 2019 at 8:55:56 PM permalink
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Is this view consistent with tipping food and drink servers?

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I leave $5 at the end of a stay (so usually $5 per night, sometimes $2.50 or $1.66). My thinking is if the price of the hotel was $5 more I still would have booked it and never thought twice. So giving that money directly to a worker is by far more efficient.



No, I tip servers 20% and $1 a drink.
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May 9th, 2019 at 9:29:29 PM permalink
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Europeans and Asians I speak to say they don't get the tipping culture here and is stresses them out because they don't know how much to tip to whom. They are right. Wouldn't it be nice if people were paid a fair wage according to whatever they do and tipping was truly optional and not expected. Even the word "gratuity" is a variant of "gratuitous," meaning beyond was is expected.



Will never happen in this country.

Moreover, if pizza place A charges $20 for a pizza and pays workers well and pizza place b charges $17 and treats employees like trash, there's not really any way for you to know about it. Even if you like the principles of place A you'll probably just get the cheapest pizza, not knowing.

Tipping is awesome cuz you just pay the person serving you directly. Most people pay a fair wage, having to look em in the eye and all.

A few scumbags cheat the system and there is a special place in hell for them. But on the whole, people who work for tips do better than those who don't.

It's even good for employers cuz they get well compensated, motivated employees who make more than they could afford to pay.

Uber's biggest mistake imo was discouraging tipping, on the belief it was a zero sum game in which they wanted to beat their workers. It's not.
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May 9th, 2019 at 10:39:35 PM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

Will never happen in this country.

Moreover, if pizza place A charges $20 for a pizza and pays workers well and pizza place b charges $17 and treats employees like trash, there's not really any way for you to know about it. Even if you like the principles of place A you'll probably just get the cheapest pizza, not knowing.

Tipping is awesome cuz you just pay the person serving you directly. Most people pay a fair wage, having to look em in the eye and all.

A few scumbags cheat the system and there is a special place in hell for them. But on the whole, people who work for tips do better than those who don't.

It's even good for employers cuz they get well compensated, motivated employees who make more than they could afford to pay.

Uber's biggest mistake imo was discouraging tipping, on the belief it was a zero sum game in which they wanted to beat their workers. It's not.



Why should I pay more for a job I expect to meet a certain standard anyway? There should be an option box. You want extra special service, or standard service. You pay for standard service it should meet a acceptable standard. You want special, you tip.
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May 9th, 2019 at 11:42:08 PM permalink
I still haven't ever heard a single legitimate reason why we should get rid of tipping (at restaurants). The idea is to bump up prices then pay waiters a "livable wage". How is that ANY DIFFERENT than how things already are? We are literally bumping up the prices ourselves (tipping) and giving that to the waiter and he makes a livable income from that.

I mean, if you're just so mentally slow that you look at a menu and can't figure out what a 20% increase is on what you're ordering, then I don't even know what to say, other than your voice probably shouldn't be heard on this. Not to mention, if a 20% increase in price is going to kill ya when the bill comes AND you're unable to do quickmaffs in your head ahead of time...oooof.


So I really don't know what people are arguing over. It seems like they just want to get rid of tipping so that (from the patron's perspective), everything is the same. A $100 menu item that costs $100 on menu + $20 tip, is now just going to be $120 on the menu + $0 tip. Impressive, big wow! And the waiter that was making (let's say for example) $1/hour base wage + $24/hour in tips is now going to be making....wait for it....wait....for....it.....he's still going to be making $25/hour. Huzzah, we did it guys!!!!! Much change!


Unfortunately, that's not entirely what would happen if tipping suddenly disappeared. Instead of food going from $100 to $120, it'd go from $100 to $125. Nice, food is now more expensive. Cool. Oh and the waiter isn't going to be making ($1 + $24)/hour anymore, he's going to get a flat $15-20/hour wage. Where do you think that extra $5 on your meal or that $5-10/hour fewer the waiter is making goes? Hmmmm.....


And the kicker, of course, is that as a whole, customer service is going to go down. I don't know about you, but I like it when the waiter is busting his ass refilling my drink after it's halfway down. I don't know what's motivating the waiter to do that, I have noooooooo idea. I'm sure if we pay him less and guarantee the pay, instead of it being dependent on the customer's tip, the service will either be the same or better! Yeah guys, that's it!!!


Finally -- would you rather be forced to pay an extra 20-25% on your meal or would you rather have the option to pay or not pay that extra amount? Let's say your service is just absolutely horrendous.
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May 9th, 2019 at 11:55:28 PM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

Will never happen in this country.

Moreover, if pizza place A charges $20 for a pizza and pays workers well and pizza place b charges $17 and treats employees like trash, there's not really any way for you to know about it. Even if you like the principles of place A you'll probably just get the cheapest pizza, not knowing.

Tipping is awesome cuz you just pay the person serving you directly. Most people pay a fair wage, having to look em in the eye and all.

A few scumbags cheat the system and there is a special place in hell for them. But on the whole, people who work for tips do better than those who don't.

It's even good for employers cuz they get well compensated, motivated employees who make more than they could afford to pay.

Uber's biggest mistake imo was discouraging tipping, on the belief it was a zero sum game in which they wanted to beat their workers. It's not.

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May 10th, 2019 at 12:05:03 AM permalink
You tipped way too much
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May 10th, 2019 at 12:13:13 AM permalink
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May 10th, 2019 at 12:15:02 AM permalink
Went to Wolf and Sparrow with my wife a while back. Or is it Sparrow and wolf? Who cares. Paid too much, and I didn't like the food at all, but that's just me. I will say, the desert was really really good! The waitress was snide when we didn't order enough food, since I guess it's tapas style. We tipped 13% anyways, I regret it just because I shouldn't feel obligated out of guilt.

While traveling, me and another person went to Denny's because it was the best option at the time. It was really busy at the time. Even so, the waitress had our drink order before we even sat down and she had it on the table lickety-split. She was cute, well groomed very nice(but not in a fake way). She was very efficient and seemed intelligent, all while covering many tables. I thought, WOW!, this girl should be working a much better paying job. Hopefully, some business owner will notice what I did and nap her up. It's people like that who deserved to be over tipped and the rest of them should be tipped way less.
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May 10th, 2019 at 5:22:34 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Went to Wolf and Sparrow with my wife a while back. Or is it Sparrow and wolf? Who cares. Paid too much, and I didn't like the food at all, but that's just me. I will say, the desert was really really good! The waitress was snide when we didn't order enough food, since I guess it's tapas style. We tipped 13% anyways, I regret it just because I shouldn't feel obligated out of guilt.

While traveling, me and another person went to Denny's because it was the best option at the time. It was really busy at the time. Even so, the waitress had our drink order before we even sat down and she had it on the table lickety-split. She was cute, well groomed very nice(but not in a fake way). She was very efficient and seemed intelligent, all while covering many tables. I thought, WOW!, this girl should be working a much better paying job. Hopefully, some business owner will notice what I did and nap her up. It's people like that who deserved to be over tipped and the rest of them should be tipped way less.



The first Waitress that was rude deserved at most 3 percent tip. 😒😣 These faces were the most negative faces I could find to convey what I feel about the first Waitress. The second Waitress who was efficient,smart, and nice etc, deserved the inverse of the 13 percent you gave the horrible Waitress, so 31 percent. 😁😃
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May 10th, 2019 at 5:47:48 AM permalink
Quote: RS

I still haven't ever heard a single legitimate reason why we should get rid of tipping (at restaurants). The idea is to bump up prices then pay waiters a "livable wage". How is that ANY DIFFERENT than how things already are? We are literally bumping up the prices ourselves (tipping) and giving that to the waiter and he makes a livable income from that.



The idea is to make a better experience for the customer. For me, that would happen by letting management negotiate wages with their employees instead of forcing their customers to do it. I'm going to tip just over 20% and almost never have I seen service that made me deviate from that. And that's on the high end. So every time I go to a restaurant, I'm hit in the face with the idea that I'm subsidizing the wages for the cheapskates and foreigners.

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And the kicker, of course, is that as a whole, customer service is going to go down. I don't know about you, but I like it when the waiter is busting his ass refilling my drink after it's halfway down. I don't know what's motivating the waiter to do that, I have noooooooo idea. I'm sure if we pay him less and guarantee the pay, instead of it being dependent on the customer's tip, the service will either be the same or better! Yeah guys, that's it!!!



The reason I can't buy this theory is because we tip at the end of a meal, so no matter what I tip, it would have no effect on the service I get. Based on this logic, if tips improve service, that means the service I receive is based on whatever the previous guys paid. And whatever I pay is essentially paying for the service the next customers. If anyone really felt this way, the argument should be that we should tip at the beginning of the meal.

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Finally -- would you rather be forced to pay an extra 20-25% on your meal or would you rather have the option to pay or not pay that extra amount? Let's say your service is just absolutely horrendous.



It doesn't feel optional, which goes back to how it effects the customer experience. It makes me feel like a piece of shit if I don't tip. One change that would seem to satisfy everyone involved would be to have tipping customary, but not provide the bulk of servers wages. A lot of tipped jobs are like that. Maybe $1 per plate. And leaving $10 instead of $5 would be a more noticeable way to show appreciation for their service instead of going from 18% to 22%.\

It's also curious that no one will ever make this case for almost any other line of work.

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