SONBP2
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November 3rd, 2010 at 1:27:53 PM permalink
Just wanted to get people's opinions on the new live dealer computer blackjack game at Red Rock. For those of you who haven't seen the game this is how it goes.

There is a live dealer. You give him your money and instead of chips he enters the amount into a computer on his side of the table. Where you would normally place your chips, it is now replaced with a computer touch screen where you see your chips and then you drag the digital chip into the circle for your wager.

Once everyone has placed their bets the dealer begins to deal the cards from a shoe to you. However, when the card comes out the shoe a laser reads the card and then your screen is updated with a total matching the card value. Ex. If you get a K the screen shows 10. Then the dealer deals a second card as normal. The blackjack game continues as normal. If you want to hit/stand/split/double you indicate that by pressing the icon on the computer screen on the table in front of you.

Then the dealer plays his hand as normal. Once his hand is complete the computer pays you accordingly and your screen adjusts to show your remaining value in chips.

Personal Comments:
1. It was interesting to see the card be read by the laser and look at your screen as it says BUST before the dealer can even place the card in front of you, when I hit on 16 vs the dealers K.
2. There are chips in front of the dealer, but he uses these only to pay you when you decide to leave the table. It did really make me feel like I wasn't betting money. It was just a number on a screen. With chips you can at least see your stack decreasing, but on the computer it is just a number and I could see how that benefits the casino. Its much easier to lose money if you don't actually have it in your hand.
3. I was surprised they paid you in chips though. Why not a ticket, just like you get from a slot machine. Then you could go directly from the table to the slot/vp without ever going to the cage and getting the cash back in your hand.

Let me know what you think.
Yoyomama
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November 3rd, 2010 at 1:46:06 PM permalink
Don't think I would enjoy playing this way at all. I play BJ because of the low HA. Basic strategy and money management isn't that exciting. If you have a bunch of boring people at the table, I would probably fall asleep. Having the computer keep track of my count would give me even less to do!! Not for me.
fremont4ever
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November 3rd, 2010 at 2:01:04 PM permalink
I can't see the point of this. The casino still has to have a dealer, so they're saving nothing there. Most dealers can count to 21 and handle the chips well enough, so I don't see much time savings. And the cards are still dealt, so no time or money saved there. This isn't poker, so an exact chip count on the fly isn't THAT important. And the commands aren't that hard to learn if you don't know them, so the buttons don't help.

Give me a real dealer any day. Shoot, give me one of those virtual dealers over this hybrid piece of junk.
soulhunt79
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November 3rd, 2010 at 2:09:53 PM permalink
I think I would actually bet less on this game. It isn't uncommon for me to just put a win right on top of my previous bet for the next hand. I'm assuming with this I'd have to drag another $10 or whatever onto my bet to increase it.
dm
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November 3rd, 2010 at 2:40:15 PM permalink
It eliminates lots of cheating possibilities, so it might make the dealers friendlier, being under less pressure.
cardshark
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November 4th, 2010 at 12:51:31 PM permalink
I think we should eventually be moving away from chips and this would accomplish that without altering the game in anyway. I agree with the above poster who said it should pay a ticket instead of chips when you cash out.

People are used to playing with chips and, in general, people don't like change. But I think, in a few years, this technology would be embraced by players, just like slot tickets are. If you think about it, those chips are filthy (just like slot machine coins) and if we can find a way of avoiding the use of those bacteria-laden discs, then terrific! As an added bonus, it removes the chance of dealer mis-pays, the need for counting chips to figure out how money you have on the table, allows for a bit more privacy as other players can't clearly see your balance (I would even implement a "hide balance" function on the screen for total privacy), more accurate comps based on your play and finally no more annoying chip-clanging sounds from people who can't seem to stop fondling their stack.
WizardofEngland
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November 4th, 2010 at 1:09:58 PM permalink
How long before the dealer is replaced by a robot? Imagine the profit for the house with no wages, and collect the tips that the foolish leave behind.
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/10042-woes-black-sheep-game-ii/#post151727
MathExtremist
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November 4th, 2010 at 1:15:41 PM permalink
Those are all good arguments, but the distinction between checks/chips and coins or slot tokens is the abstraction between size and value. Before cashless ticketing for slots really took off, players played with coins and they basically knew how much they were betting because they were using real nickels or quarters. But casino checks are almost all the same size and the reason for that is to remove the direct correlation between amount and physicality. I once made a few $1000 bets on the passline in the form of 10 black chips. I was in the moment and this was at the tail end of a huge winning streak -- I was shooting and I had already made 9 passes in a row. The casino had been paying me in black chips so it wasn't that much of a stretch to put down a few more. Psychologically, it would have been a very different situation if I had been required to actively indicate "Bet $1000" from a touchscreen.
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice." -- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
stinsonsmart
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November 11th, 2010 at 4:01:38 AM permalink
Blackjack routinely offers the lowest house advantage over players as compared to all other casino games off the top. Players can enhance that inherent gambling advantages further by applying very accurate basic strategy play and insistence on playing only those games that offer player-favorable rules. There's a plethora of variation between game rule-sets and table conditions and these directly affect the mathematical player expected value which ultimately translates to enhanced winnings/minimized losses over time.
weaselman
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November 11th, 2010 at 5:04:20 AM permalink
I played this game a little when I was in Vegas this fall, and found it boring, and weird. I don't resent playing with a machine all that much (if at all), but this "cyborg"-like creature did not make me want to stay at all.
To be honest, perhaps, at least a part of my repulsive feeling had to do with the fact that the dealer got three blackjacks in a row right after I sat down, and after that I won hand, lost five in a row, and left down $100 after ten minutes.
"When two people always agree one of them is unnecessary"

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