Sovereign idiocy
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September 17th, 2018 at 11:46:38 AM
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I get a kick out of the videos where so called Sovereign Citizens try to excuse their petty offences by claiming they aren't driving, but freely traveling or whatever. Inevitably it ends badly, but what I don't understand is why they then post the videos anyway.
You pretty much have to live in an alternative universe to believe the stuff to begin with but why post your humiliation for all to see.
You pretty much have to live in an alternative universe to believe the stuff to begin with but why post your humiliation for all to see.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
September 17th, 2018 at 12:31:58 PM
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I don't understand their logic because by their own admission they claim to not be U.S. citizens, so therefore they would be in the country illegally.
Even if you take their claims at face value, they're still breaking the law by speeding or whatever it is they're doing to get pulled over in the first place.
Exceeding the speed limit is still illegal in the United States, regardless of whether or not you're a citizen.
What a bunch of idiots.
Even if you take their claims at face value, they're still breaking the law by speeding or whatever it is they're doing to get pulled over in the first place.
Exceeding the speed limit is still illegal in the United States, regardless of whether or not you're a citizen.
What a bunch of idiots.
September 17th, 2018 at 12:48:42 PM
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But they have an unfettered right to travel. Driving is a privilege, traveling is a right.
That's the ticket.
That's the ticket.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
September 17th, 2018 at 12:51:48 PM
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My favorite is the guy in the court room where he’s a “traveler, not a person, but goes by the name ______”. It’s hilarious.
My second favorite is when the woman is torn from the car and the police is cuffing her and she’s screaming out she’s being raped.
My second favorite is when the woman is torn from the car and the police is cuffing her and she’s screaming out she’s being raped.
September 17th, 2018 at 2:31:16 PM
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Quote: billryanBut they have an unfettered right to travel. Driving is a privilege, traveling is a right.
That's the ticket.
They are traveling by driving.
Operating a motor vehicle in the United States is bound by specific jurisdictional laws, regardless of whether or not you are a citizen, non-citizen, Sovereign Citizen, or cyborg from Mars.
(I'm not arguing with you, just pointing out their stupidity.)
September 17th, 2018 at 2:35:11 PM
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They post the videos to get what they wanted in the first place, which is attention. Its the new breed of morons that think they have a right to pick and choose which laws they want to follow simply because they dont like them.
September 17th, 2018 at 3:30:06 PM
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I've seen these kinds of videos, don't get it either. I have also seen some similar where the people claim the US is a corporation, they are corporations and our birth certificates are really something else. I don't really remember all the details. It makes you wonder just what if these things were true, some people were able to use them advantageously, but there would have to be some conspiracy to keep it secret. It's the whole hiding in plain sight kind of thing.
I am a robot.
September 17th, 2018 at 5:18:50 PM
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I remember researching this type of stuff many years ago and being very intrigued by it, but as i kept researching it, things didnt add up.
The main problem with the sovereign citizen argument is that they arent very educated with constitutional law. They pick apart supreme court decisions out of context from other misinformed sovereigns and use that to fit their logic and take it in without reading the whole court ruling. Also there are definitions, which leads to more confusion, i believe in california state, where it says that a 'motor vehicle' and 'driver' are defined as being 'commercial' and as long as you're not 'driving for hire' you cant fall under the legal definition of 'driver' or under a 'motor vehicle', and so they use that for their argument. They then claim a car is only private conveyance and doesnt fall under being a 'motor vehicle'. That's where the whole argument of im 'traveling' not 'driving' comes from.
What these sovereign citizens dont understand is the power of the 10th amendment. They like to talk about their freedom of travel from the Constitution, but no where in the articles of the constitution does it explicitily state that one can operate a 5,000+ lb machine upon the roadways, etc. So because of that, one must then proceed to the Bill of Rights in the 10th amendment. The 10th amendment simply separates the powers of the federal govt and the state govt and anything not granted to the federal govt by the federal constitution is granted to the states to do as they will, make laws, and enforce the laws through the police power of the state for the general welfare and health of the people.
The 10th amendment is the law that puts a hole in the sovereign argument. This is just the tip of the iceberg though for these sovereigns. They also branch off into the social security number and birth certificate conspiracy about you being owned by the bankers as collateral and that having a social security number makes you into a slave by being created as a corporation and by being a corporation you are now labeled a different type of citizen, which is a 'US citiizen' or a '14th amendment citizen' and not an 'American citizen' where the former two has no rights and the latter is free to do as they wish lol. Of course, theres no weight in these arguments either.
The main problem with the sovereign citizen argument is that they arent very educated with constitutional law. They pick apart supreme court decisions out of context from other misinformed sovereigns and use that to fit their logic and take it in without reading the whole court ruling. Also there are definitions, which leads to more confusion, i believe in california state, where it says that a 'motor vehicle' and 'driver' are defined as being 'commercial' and as long as you're not 'driving for hire' you cant fall under the legal definition of 'driver' or under a 'motor vehicle', and so they use that for their argument. They then claim a car is only private conveyance and doesnt fall under being a 'motor vehicle'. That's where the whole argument of im 'traveling' not 'driving' comes from.
What these sovereign citizens dont understand is the power of the 10th amendment. They like to talk about their freedom of travel from the Constitution, but no where in the articles of the constitution does it explicitily state that one can operate a 5,000+ lb machine upon the roadways, etc. So because of that, one must then proceed to the Bill of Rights in the 10th amendment. The 10th amendment simply separates the powers of the federal govt and the state govt and anything not granted to the federal govt by the federal constitution is granted to the states to do as they will, make laws, and enforce the laws through the police power of the state for the general welfare and health of the people.
The 10th amendment is the law that puts a hole in the sovereign argument. This is just the tip of the iceberg though for these sovereigns. They also branch off into the social security number and birth certificate conspiracy about you being owned by the bankers as collateral and that having a social security number makes you into a slave by being created as a corporation and by being a corporation you are now labeled a different type of citizen, which is a 'US citiizen' or a '14th amendment citizen' and not an 'American citizen' where the former two has no rights and the latter is free to do as they wish lol. Of course, theres no weight in these arguments either.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
September 17th, 2018 at 5:47:17 PM
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Why did the sovereign citizen cross the road?
It's none of your business. Am I being detained?
