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November 7th, 2017 at 7:28:40 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Are there any Republican Senators from high tax states? NY, NJ, Cali all have Democratic Senators. Not sure what other states are considered high tax?



Well high tax states are usually that way because so much extra infrastructure is required due to much higher populations

Densely packed higher population centers usually mean lower income masses

That usually tranlates to democratic leanings in votership

Lower income population centers have a higher need for financial help from the state

Democratic leaders raise that thru taxes

So its a roundabout unending loop as to why
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November 8th, 2017 at 5:15:54 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

Are there any Republican Senators from high tax states? NY, NJ, Cali all have Democratic Senators. Not sure what other states are considered high tax?



My error. I meant Congressmen. Any bill must pass both houses.
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November 9th, 2017 at 11:25:47 AM permalink
Roy Moore, Alabama's racist, homophobic GOP Senate candidate had a sexual relationship with a 14 year old girl when he was 32. Three other women say he pursued them when they were in their teens.

Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32

#MAGA! (Molest a girl again!)
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November 9th, 2017 at 1:07:08 PM permalink
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Roy Moore, Alabama's racist, homophobic GOP Senate candidate had a sexual relationship with a 14 year old girl when he was 32. Three other women say he pursued them when they were in their teens.

Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32

#MAGA! (Molest a girl again!)



38 years later........ ( I do believe her, but.... 38 years....)
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November 9th, 2017 at 1:41:45 PM permalink
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Roy Moore, Alabama's racist, homophobic GOP Senate candidate had a sexual relationship with a 14 year old girl when he was 32. Three other women say he pursued them when they were in their teens.

Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32

#MAGA! (Molest a girl again!)



38 years later........ ( I do believe her, but.... 38 years....)



This may be news to some of you, but this stuff went on ALL. THE. TIME. until women started coming forward on Cosby and Trump. Those who tried before were either scorned, blamed, disbelieved, or paid off.

Look at how Anita Hill was treated during Clarence Thomas SCOTUS hearings. Just the best example of past dealings on something like this, far from the only one.

I was put in this position more than a few times; I dealt with it privately. Somewhat chickens#!/ of me, but I was never willing to be so offended as to risk losing my job over making a formal complaint. And yes, that's what it comes down to sometimes. There's also the embarassment, humiliation, and awkwardness it causes for everyone else around the both of you once you make it public. So I didn't then. I might now, though I'm no longer attractive to predators, so it's a moot point.

It happens. It's not always the guy's fault, or all his fault. But it's also not acceptable to simply ignore or dismiss it.

Current activities in whistleblowing are, I think, getting overblown. I could be wrong; maybe it takes this kind of cringeworthy publicity and condemnation to get it stopped. However, I think it's partly also a backlash at the dismissal of so many voters about Trump being a predatory creep. So men are reaping what they've sown for so long. And the Trump accusations are still in the wings.

I don't think, from what I know of Mark Halperin's accusations, for example, that he should be held in the same contempt that Weinstein, Cosby, and yes, Trump are. Halperin was single, looking to date adult women at work, and apparently went too far with his attentions. I wasn't there, so hard to say.

Anyway, a girl of 14, 16, or 2 of 18 are all too young for a guy in his 30's to hit on. The Judge is probably toast.
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November 9th, 2017 at 6:47:51 PM permalink
I'm FASCINATED by how many conservatives have defended child molestation this evening. There is truly no bottom for them...
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November 9th, 2017 at 8:31:12 PM permalink
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I'm FASCINATED by how many conservatives have defended child molestation this evening. There is truly no bottom for them...



Yeah, pretty hard to take. You're too young, but when Brooke Shields was 14, she did a Calvin Klein ad topless and in jeans, and the tagline was, "Nothing comes between me and my Calvins" implying she was commando.

We had this conversation.

When Sissy Spacek played Loretta Lynn in Coal Miner's Daughter, they showed her losing her virginity at 14 or less on her wedding night, to Tommy Lee Jones, who was about 25.

We had this conversation.

When Jerry Lee Lewis movie Great Balls of Fire came out (Dennis Quaid) they showed him marrying in his late 20's and deflowering his 13 year old first cousin.

We had this conversation.

Back when women died in childbirth and were old by 25, and everybody was dead by 40, it was common to marry and start having babies at 13-14. Guys usually were older. That didn't really stop being common until about 100 years ago, especially in the South. Also common was men marrying 2-3 or more times because the wife died and they wanted more kids.

So I don't know. 16 (minimum age of informed consent) is, in reproductive age, anywhere from 7 years to that year for women to be fertile. When a man was expected to provide everything for the woman and the family, it made some sense for them to marry really young and have lots of kids, because it was a pioneer, farming society, and the kids needed to be grown enough by the time the parents got worn out to work hard. She just needed to be grown enough to reach adolescence and have her bone structure adapt enough to carry a child that wouldn't kill her in the process.

The time these things happened also has to be factored in. 1977-79 (Brooke Shields, above) was the height of free love and young girls being the most desirable. It had spread from the hippies to the suburbs, and everybody was getting laid, and even talking about it. All the Playboy/Penthouse models were 18, if that. Traci Lords was the hottest porn star, and she was 15-16 when she made her name. (Which is why you can't find those movies now: they were outlawed. ) All the models in the ads were girls with barely budding breasts on boyish figures.

So a guy of 33-34, good job, drinking age 18 most states, everything, both historically and in that society around him was telling him to go for the really young ones, and if he had any game and reasonable looks, he would have little trouble.

You'll have to trust me on most of this if you're too young to have lived then. I was the same age as the older girls he got with, and that's exactly how it was until 1981, when Reagan and the Moral Majority took over, along with AIDS and a spike in drugs and drunks killing people; thing changed FAST, or went underground. I dated guys his age, even older in a couple of cases, starting at 14. It was a transitional social time, just after Vietnam, after Nixon resigned, and things were pretty crazy by today's standards.

So was it pedophilia? Absolutely, even then. But you really do have to put it in context. All sorts of bad stuff like this happened, was kept secret, or even talked about some. Several girls in my school, starting in 9th grade, got pregnant and either dropped out or got (newly legal) abortions.

And it was the start of the time where women were just entering the workforce beyond being secretaries, nurses, or teachers, getting to play sports, enter the Service Academies. The ERA had passed Congress and was in the ratification process. Women were feeling powerful, and saying "yes" when they had always been told to say "no". Or were no longer told "no". So we got into a lot of adult situations where we really weren't mature enough to handle any consequences.

A lot of guys, too, got "trained" into thinking it was all ok. You look at the ages of these guys getting brought forward for this stuff, they're in their 50's, 60's 70's for the most part. Even if it's recent behavior, that's when it started for them. But the world changed on them, and their interests weren't acceptable any more.

Just thinking out loud. This doesn't happen in isolation.
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November 9th, 2017 at 9:01:10 PM permalink
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You'll have to trust me on most of this if you're too young to have lived then. I was the same age as the older girls he got with, and that's exactly how it was until 1981, when Reagan and the Moral Majority took over, along with AIDS and a spike in drugs and drunks killing people; thing changed FAST, or went underground. I dated guys his age, even older in a couple of cases, starting at 14. It was a transitional social time, just after Vietnam, after Nixon resigned, and things were pretty crazy by today's standards.

So was it pedophilia? Absolutely, even then. But you really do have to put it in context. All sorts of bad stuff like this happened, was kept secret, or even talked about some. Several girls in my school, starting in 9th grade, got pregnant and either dropped out or got (newly legal) abortions.



I was just thinking, didnít several still famous rock bands from the 60s/70s/80s openly have very young groupies?

Not to defend it in any context, but Itís interesting those people get a pass on having their career ended for something they did 30 years prior.
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November 9th, 2017 at 9:02:22 PM permalink
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I was just thinking, didnít several still famous rock bands from the 60s/70s/80s openly have very young groupies?

Not to defend it in any context, but Itís interesting those people get a pass on having their career ended for something they did 30 years prior.



Yes, they did.
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November 9th, 2017 at 10:32:54 PM permalink
Quote: ams288

I'm FASCINATED by how many conservatives have defended child molestation this evening. There is truly no bottom for them...



You shouldnít be that surprised...the feminists supported bill Clinton when his victims came forward. The team mentality is a stronger driver for most people than principals.

That said, Iím not defending sex with a 14 year old which is clearly wrong, but I think itís important to distinguish this from sex with someone who is prepubescentóa much more odious crime.
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