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Excellent point, I just find it hard to believe that anybody can enjoy losing money.
Now if that is what turns you on, more power to you, if you are having fun with it, thanks a lot, without players like you the casinos might not be open!
That is my entire point, in a nutshell: If that's what you like, then that's what you should do. No one is getting murdered, no harm is being done. Some folks are pulling cards and rolling dice and spinning wheels. Each individual is free to understand the risks and take the chances as he/she sees fit. Since we are different people, we will get excited by different aspects of these games. What's right for me won't be right for you.
You know that I just find it hard to believe, that players would come to a site like this, and then say they are having fun losing!
The one thing I do see all the time is that most players of craps play for the social expect of the game. They feel good that everybody knows then when they walk-up to the tables.
The drink girls offer them free drinks they know them by their names if they play a lot in that casino. All the dealer do there job and makes them feel like they are having the time of their life, playing craps!
You could say itís like going down to Cheers where everybody knows your name, the conversations are great, and you get to make friends. You have something to look forward to everyday that you go out and play!
My point of view is, I hate the casinos I only play for the money, yes I do have fun when I am winning, and on the other hand there is no enjoyment in losing for me!
I guess that I get most of my enjoyment out of finding how to win; itís an on going process! Most players will never put the time into the game that I do, for them itís playing a few times a year, and they can say they had a good time ether way win or lose.
When I started out playing craps, I wanted to win, most players do, and then just write it off to having a good time when they did play and lost. After all you didnít know anything about the game so you didnít mind the losing so bad!
I guess that I soon realized that if I wanted to continue to play I would have to learn something about the game, maybe because I didnít have unlimited funds. The same thing goes for living in Vegas, if you going to play you better learn what you are doing or someone else will own your home and everything else you worked for all your life, it does happen all the time out here!
Thanks for your continuing support, we need players like you in Vegas, with the way this economy is here!
I just hope that you do win some of the times, to keep you coming back and having fun!
And that you can also find something on this board that will help you accomplish that.
I will give you the benefit of the doubt and respond, with the hope that you are not just trolling. I am not speaking for Mosca, but I think he and I share a similiar view of craps play.
Do I enjoy losing money? Of course not. However, when I go to a casino, it involves a plane flight and a weekend stay at minimum. If I spend the 6 hours to go to Vegas, it will be a minimum of 4 days.
So, point number 1, I am taking the trip so I can enjoy playing craps. If I get there, cash $1000, and get a great roll that results in me up $2000 after 40 minutes, am I supposed to quit? Sure, I am up $2000, but what do I do with the remaining 2, or 3, or 4 days? If you are going to allow me to play again tomorrow, then why can't I continue to play right now? Time has no reference to the craps play. The house has the same edge now, as they will tomorrow. Therefore, there is no point in stopping today, IF I am going to play again anytime in the future. In fact, those who believe in periods of luck would say I should ride the good fortune while I have it.
Assuming you make the same bet, does the house edge ever change based on the day or time? Of course not.
If I play from noon to 12:30 every day for 8 days, is that any different than playing from 8:00 to 12:00 today only? Of course not. Both ways I have played for 4 hours against a constant house edge.
So, I am on a trip to play craps. I enjoy playing for an average of 6 hours a day. How do you suggest I play so I can enjoy the game of craps AND come out a winner ?
LOL. I actually understand your puzzlement. I don't like losing; I like playing, and losing is often a dimension of that. I accept losing.
What I actually wrote was that sometimes losing is preferable to breaking even, in that breaking even could represent chances untaken. But like I also said: I don't stress it. If I'm even, and feel sated, I stop. If I'm even and feel like continuing, I do. I'm fine with people who play differently. I just can't play that way myself, just like you can't play my way. Neither of us would enjoy the change.
If I had any motive for writing what I do, it would be to help remove the value judgments we place on players who are wired differently. If I were to toss around chips like they were circus peanuts, then bitch when I lost, you'd have a point; but those of us who play and smile, regardless of the results, deserve respect I think.
There are a few reasons for me to stop playing, but whether I'm winning or losing is not one of them. If you stop and then return at a later date, have you really stopped?
Quitting while ahead is meaningless to me unless I plan on never playing again.
Look, I am a real live craps player, and I do live in Vegas; I play craps just about everyday. There are a lot of craps players on the different craps boards that have seen me play! I sometimes will even meet-up with some of the guys that I have met on the tables around town!
If I get there, cash $1000, and get a great roll that results in me up $2000 after 40 minutes, am I supposed to quit? Sure, I am up $2000, but what do I do with the remaining 2, or 3, or 4 days?
No you do not quit, what you do then is go into money management. You just go lucky and made the $1000, you had $1000 to start with, why not cut your win in half.
You know have a $500 bank roll, now is when you start playing smarter to make your bank roll last the rest of the time you are here in Vegas.
The worst thing, you can do is put a lot of money back on the table right after your good roll, Put one bet back up and wait till you get paid off on your bet, before you put anymore money on the table. If you donít shoot, you are looking for the trends of the table. The question you should be asking your self is, how rolls of the dice is everybody getting, are we seeing that everybody is having rolls in the teens, or are they all make 5 or 6 rolls of the dice before the seven comes.
Short rolls put the one or two bets on the table, and get them off the table when the shooter get pass 4 rolls of the dice, longer rolls keep them up for 9 or 10 rolls of the dice, if you are in profit, regress your bets down to single unit bets and then ride the wave, as long as you feel comfortable.
What you are looking for now is to get your bets paid for, and then you can do anything you want to. There are trends to every table, some time nobody will make any points, three rolls of the dice and its next shooter please!
Playing craps is a mind game; where you have to know where you are, winning or losing with every roll of the dice, donít risk what you just won on the next roll of the dice!
When you are pressing up your bets never do full presses always take some money off the table!
Anybody can get on a roll, and I do mean anybody! They donít have be a So-Called DI, just look at the 154 roll in AC.
If you win this session, what ever your win was cut it in half again, put one half in your pocket; add the rest to your back roll. If you start to lose walk away, donít go back into what you started out with today! You have four more days to play, go out and see what else Vegas has to offer if you have a car, you do not have to spend 24 hours a day at the tables!
Hell if you are here with the wife, girlfriend or boyfriend or family they might even appreciate it, that you are spending time with them!
The one thing that most players will never do is to cut their bets down when they are winning, but if you do that you can play longer sessionís everyday, once you start getting paid off you press-up your bets! That is one of the tricks to winning over the long run, you will still be there so you can take advantage of a big roll when itís happening, and not standing there wishing that you didnít blow your bank roll before the roll happened!
I have a player that comes into town about 6 to 8 time over the year, and does well just about every time he comes to town, if he starts to lose at one casino he will walk across the street, till he finds a table that everybody is winning on.
He looks for the table trends that are winning for everybody, and has no problem playing the dark side of the tables if he canít find anything happening that he likes the looks of!
Look for the trends and you can do OK! Do not stay and lose just for the sake of playing, move on to the next table!