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DRich
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December 4th, 2014 at 10:44:27 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Dottie's has been a secretive company operating in four or five states.


Stations invested in the expanded grocery store slots company and in the Burger and Beer slots market. Stations wanted the Dottie customers and revenue but didn't want Dottie.



What do you mean by secretive?

You are mistaken about Stations having anything to do with the bars and grocery stores. I believe you are thinking of Golden Gaming which bought the ETT slot route. They are not related other than Fertittas sisters husband owning it.
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December 4th, 2014 at 11:22:50 PM permalink
On the merits of the matter I don't know and don't much care, but as a matter of practical reality:

[x] Kick back more under the table juice to the political machine which runs everything that happens (or doesn't) in Southern Nevada government.

As you may be aware, the entire elected "leadership" (save ONE) of Clark County, Nevada went to federal prison (again) several years ago after the FBI got them on tape (again) taking their customary sacks of cash via a mob bagman (and some other misc tokens such as complementary BJ's on the golf course from a juiced-in "adult entertainment" enterprise). Meet the new stooges installed by the Reid machine to replace them, same as the old ones.
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December 4th, 2014 at 11:41:13 PM permalink
Quote: DrawingDead

On the merits of the matter I don't know and don't much care, but as a matter of practical reality:

[x] Kick back more under the table juice to the political machine which runs everything that happens (or doesn't) in Southern Nevada government.

As you may be aware, the entire elected "leadership" (save ONE) of Clark County, Nevada went to federal prison (again) several years ago after the FBI got them on tape (again) taking their customary sacks of cash via a mob bagman (and some other misc tokens such as complementary BJ's on the golf course from a juiced-in "adult entertainment" enterprise). Meet the new stooges installed by the Reid machine to replace them, same as the old ones.

I was going to say the same thing but thought possibly they're not structured profitably enough to include graff able to compete with a large casino.
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DrawingDead
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December 4th, 2014 at 11:49:57 PM permalink
Just idle curiosity: Is or was there actually a "Dotty" or is that like "Sara Lee" and "Aunt Jemima" and suchlike?
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December 5th, 2014 at 12:01:22 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

You are mistaken about ... (everything).



Yeah, I know. I must have been sober or something. It was Hard Rock that recently "bought" customer loyalty from the youthful Bars and Burgers market sector with an electronic absorption of PT's card system.

I forget what entity was formed but someone took over grocery store slots, promised to upscale them and unify them under a common card name and point system. I mentally cataloged it as a Stations sponsored action but it may have been based on names and pants pockets versus corporate pockets stuff. I'm sure Stations didn't directly do it so soon after having successfully strangled dear old aunt Dotty.
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December 5th, 2014 at 12:06:02 AM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

They have them in Illinois too. Haven't been in one there, but they have to fork over 30% to the state and they only get 5 machines per location and non-smoking of course just like the riverboats.

Also I voted to tax them like casinos because Nevada Gaming Tax rates are a gigantic joke anyway.



I think that may be why there are no Dotty's in West Virginia. The tax in Nevada on machines seems to be up to 6.75% of revenue for casinos...before the WV parlors even have to think about revenue, WV taxes them 2% of the GROSS INCOME in machines right off the bat! You stick a $20 in there, West Virginia's got $0.40 of that already, whether the parlor wins or loses!

It's no wonder WV has a statutory maximum return of 95% for these places, at exactly 95%, the House would only have an effective 3% edge before it even starts getting taxed on the positive revenues!
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FleaStiff
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December 5th, 2014 at 12:14:07 AM permalink
Quote: DrawingDead

Just idle curiosity: Is or was there actually a "Dotty" or is that like "Sara Lee" and "Aunt Jemima" and suchlike?



NO, there is no Aunt Dotty. There never was an aunt Dotty. Its more akin to "Aunt Jemima", a figment of the imagination of a marketing executive who desired some sort of uniformity in his establishments so they all look like they were decorated in a similar country kitchen style.

For a while I was claiming that Aunt Dotty was real and did exist. I was supposedly selling seminars and other training materials that help people believe in Aunt Dottie and once you became a believer you would see her making the rounds of her various establishments and refilling the salt and pepper shakers. It was, once again, merely part of my warped sense of humor.
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December 5th, 2014 at 12:44:53 AM permalink
Quote: Mission146

I think that may be why there are no Dotty's in West Virginia. The tax in Nevada on machines seems to be up to 6.75% of revenue for casinos...before the WV parlors even have to think about revenue, WV taxes them 2% of the GROSS INCOME in machines right off the bat! You stick a $20 in there, West Virginia's got $0.40 of that already, whether the parlor wins or loses!

It's no wonder WV has a statutory maximum return of 95% for these places, at exactly 95%, the House would only have an effective 3% edge before it even starts getting taxed on the positive revenues!

Gaming laws say gross but don't mean it literally. I doubt it's true the way you interpret. Think about it, you could bankrupt them single handedly and they couldn't stop it.
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FleaStiff
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December 5th, 2014 at 12:54:46 AM permalink
I think it was WVA that had some fun defining parlors ... so some places put up interior walls and created two parlors but didn't take out any machines.
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December 5th, 2014 at 2:10:40 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

I think it was WVA that had some fun defining parlors ... so some places put up interior walls and created two parlors but didn't take out any machines.

They have to be so many feet away from each other which becomes pretty significant in placement.
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