odiousgambit
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November 15th, 2014 at 7:10:00 AM permalink
some known legal, but often house-discouraged, often slim in value, opportunities are:

*card counting BJ
*video poker with return above 100%
*slots with progressive jackpots built up
*excessively comped or rebated play

gray area stuff:

*hole-carding
*vulturing progressives
*edge sorting

totally cheating; won't list these
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
warpzones
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November 15th, 2014 at 7:35:02 AM permalink
Cheers Gambit :D

Nice and clear now.........

I've looked into card counting as I have a neat little app which teaches it, I have played it a few times. I was discouraged by people saying you can no longer use the card counting strategy because of multiple card decks..... So I am assuming that it can still be done despite many decks from what I'm seeing here.........
warpzones
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November 15th, 2014 at 8:21:15 AM permalink
Could someone please confirm that blackjack card counting can still be done with multiple decks such as 6 or 8+ ?
odiousgambit
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November 15th, 2014 at 8:43:52 AM permalink
Quote: warpzones

Could someone please confirm that blackjack card counting can still be done with multiple decks such as 6 or 8+ ?



the number of decks is bad for the HE, but if the penetration is all but the last deck or so ...

Casinos could in fact totally stop all card counting for practical purposes by multi-deck with poor penetration, or continuous shuffling too for that matter . But to be competitive they do offer countable games it seems. Players can find 2-deck games with good rules, but the minimums are higher.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
Kerkebet
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November 15th, 2014 at 10:21:57 AM permalink
Quote: warpzones

What are the "..profitable STRATEGIES for beating the casinos..." as opposed to systems....????????



A simply brilliant question.

The answer is that you want to look for ways to take advantage of the ones already addicted to gambling, and internet forums.

Anyone who could beat the casino games, and the casinos, over the long-run; and have so much free time to post on such forums, could earn far more risk-free money in legitimate fields of endeavor.

Start small, and stay dedicated to something you enjoy doing. Especially, to something from which others can't discourage you on a daily basis.

Certainly, don't make an entrenched point of telling others what's not possible while advertising it. Not a healthy venture. Doesn't add up to anything gainfully satisfying.
Nonsense is a very hard thing to keep up. Just ask the Wizard and company.
1BB
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November 15th, 2014 at 10:36:37 AM permalink
Quote: warpzones

Could someone please confirm that blackjack card counting can still be done with multiple decks such as 6 or 8+ ?



Yes yes yes! A hundred decks can be accurately counted and no extraordinary skills are needed. The fewer decks the better but not because it's easier to count. With decent rules an eight deck game is beatable.

Starting counting from scratch is good because you haven't developed any bad habits. If you are serious about counting, get your information here and don't listen to the self proclaimed experts that haven't a clue. They are everywhere.
Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth. - Mahatma Ghandi
Avincow
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November 15th, 2014 at 10:44:50 AM permalink
Quote: warpzones

Could someone please confirm that blackjack card counting can still be done with multiple decks such as 6 or 8+ ?



Yes it is very possible. I have never ever played single deck games, they are simply hard to find. for multi-deck games you need to use a True Count (Running Count / Number of decks remaining).

If you are playing 8 decks, and have a running count of +7, don't get too excited just yet. Let's say only 1 deck of the 8 decks has been dealt. That means there are 7 decks remaining. So the True Count is +7 / 7 = 1. This is what you use to determine your bet size. With a True Count of 1, you either barely have an edge or you are at a slight disadvantage depending on the game you are playing.

As you can see, with more decks, there are less situations where you have an advantage. That's why casino do this, to make it harder for card counters. So while counting multiple decks is not impossible, it's harder. And since the good counts are few and far between, you will need a larger bet spread to make up for all the shitty counts you play through.
warpzones
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November 15th, 2014 at 11:46:06 AM permalink
So could someone please direct me to a thread where this is all explained step-by-step and clearly here on this forum?

I would like to look into this further..
Avincow
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November 15th, 2014 at 3:04:59 PM permalink
Quote: warpzones

So could someone please direct me to a thread where this is all explained step-by-step and clearly here on this forum?

I would like to look into this further..



This will pretty much cover everything you need to know:
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/blackjack-school/

Here is a thread that will give you a good overview of what's involved:
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/blackjack/19491-a-to-z-counting-cards-in-blackjack/
EvenBob
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November 15th, 2014 at 3:29:09 PM permalink
The best strategy is drive to the casino
with $200, sit in your car for 20 min,
and drive home with $200. Works every
time.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal

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