Dieter
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October 14th, 2014 at 3:11:24 AM permalink
Quote: Riva

If anybody here has any insight as how chips are cleaned at a casino and how often, please share. Thanks.



I see it all the time when a player gets a cut on their hand and might have bled on the chips. (I see a dealer doing this maybe every 6 weeks or so, but this is out in the hinterlands.)

First, they take a white plastic garbage bag, and spread it over the table so the felt doesn't get soaked.

Then, the dealer gloves up.

Someone brings a bucket of warm water with bleach over, and the chips get counted and dunked and sloshed around, then spread out to dry, then recounted, and re-racked.


I bought a few cartons of retired casino chips. They were filthy. 40-50 at a time into a smallish (1 quart, maybe) bucket with warm (or hot) water and a small squirt of Dawn dish soap, agitate for as long as I felt necessary, then rinse, then spread on a bath towel.
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Riva
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October 14th, 2014 at 7:19:11 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Are the real chips cleaner than the counterfeit chips or do they all match?

I bet you lose 2k in EV per night due to shenanigans.

No Video surveillance = Rampant easy 3 rd rate cheating, any 1 day practiced armature can do. No doubt some people feel they are justified(Robin Hood) due to your horrible raping odds of charitable type people.

I would hire a team to secretly show you how easy any average Joe can swindle you.



Someone is going to go through a lot of expense printing up a copy-cat a set of our chips. To begin with, most are in $1-$5 denominations and the $10 chips only come out if they are needed. Plus, each chip has the school logo burnt in plus a hologram. Then, we have a $500 cap on winnings per-night. Hardly worth it.

We know that people cheat. Perhaps the biggest weakness is the volunteer dealers making goof-ball mistakes. That's why they only have the barest amount of chips in their tray at any one time. Plus, they are rotated every 30 minutes.

Even if someone skims us for a couple of hundred or so, we look at the final tally and say it was a good night if we made any profit--which we ALWAYS do.
DJTeddyBear
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October 14th, 2014 at 9:30:19 AM permalink
Here's an idea. Are you a regular at your local casino? If so, talk to one of the foreman, explain your situation, etc. Ask if they'll wash your chips. You never know. Worst that will happen is you wasted two minutes asking.
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Riva
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October 14th, 2014 at 10:22:16 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Here's an idea. Are you a regular at your local casino? If so, talk to one of the foreman, explain your situation, etc. Ask if they'll wash your chips. You never know. Worst that will happen is you wasted two minutes asking.



Not a bad idea however, all the local (Detroit) casinos will not do a thing for you charity-wise, if the goods or services are even remotely connected with under-age persons. Of course, our students are all minors.

Actually, I think that I have this thing solved.....

There are local places that rent ultrasonic cleaners. I can purchase all the chemicals that tcsjohnhuxley offers from other sources. Some night this winter, I'll recruit some volunteers, get a few cases of beer and a dozen pizzas and we'll have a chip cleaning party down at the school. :)
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October 14th, 2014 at 11:17:38 AM permalink
Quote: Riva

Someone is going to go through a lot of expense printing up a copy-cat a set of our chips. To begin with, most are in $1-$5 denominations and the $10 chips only come out if they are needed. Plus, each chip has the school logo burnt in plus a hologram. Then, we have a $500 cap on winnings per-night. Hardly worth it.

We know that people cheat. Perhaps the biggest weakness is the volunteer dealers making goof-ball mistakes. That's why they only have the barest amount of chips in their tray at any one time. Plus, they are rotated every 30 minutes.

Even if someone skims us for a couple of hundred or so, we look at the final tally and say it was a good night if we made any profit--which we ALWAYS do.

yes I doubt people are chip scamming you much.

As for Cheating at roulette I bet its happening often and for more than you think..
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Riva
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October 14th, 2014 at 5:47:18 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

yes I doubt people are chip scamming you much.

As for Cheating at roulette I bet its happening often and for more than you think..



AxelWolf...you now have my antennae up. Please share how people may be cheating on us in roulette. I'm serious.

We have 2, 20' roulette tables. Each table is made up of 2, 10' sections. There is a layout on each side, right and left. The wheel (32") rests in the middle between each layout. Each table is manned by 3 people: a person in the middle who spins the wheel and makes the calls. They also muck chips between spins.

Then, there is a dealer directly parked over each layout right and left. They hover over their respective layout like it was a their own wallet laying there. If anybody tried to drag a bet and/or past-post, it's almost sure to be seen.

And, as far as dealer/player collusion...the people are, for the most part, volunteers and, have children that attend this parochial school. For what benefit?. Again, we have a $500 cap on winnings per-night. Jilted wheel? No way. Unbalanced wheel? Perhaps.

So, somebody scams us for $100. No big deal. The room cleared $25,000 for the night. If I put the hammer down on the games, would I then make $27,400?

Look at the big picture. Just to get in to the room, 1,000 people have to fork over $5 each. That's 5k. We make 30%-40% on each dollar wagered, with a $15k cap. That's another 8K. Then there's beer and pizza with a net per-body, per-night of another $20. That's $20,000. Grand total; $45K per-night, no overhead, clear profit. What am I missing?
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October 14th, 2014 at 9:51:37 PM permalink
Quote: Riva

AxelWolf...you now have my antennae up. Please share how people may be cheating on us in roulette. I'm serious.

We have 2, 20' roulette tables. Each table is made up of 2, 10' sections. There is a layout on each side, right and left. The wheel (32") rests in the middle between each layout. Each table is manned by 3 people: a person in the middle who spins the wheel and makes the calls. They also muck chips between spins.

Then, there is a dealer directly parked over each layout right and left. They hover over their respective layout like it was a their own wallet laying there. If anybody tried to drag a bet and/or past-post, it's almost sure to be seen.

And, as far as dealer/player collusion...the people are, for the most part, volunteers and, have children that attend this parochial school. For what benefit?. Again, we have a $500 cap on winnings per-night. Jilted wheel? No way. Unbalanced wheel? Perhaps.

So, somebody scams us for $100. No big deal. The room cleared $25,000 for the night. If I put the hammer down on the games, would I then make $27,400?

Look at the big picture. Just to get in to the room, 1,000 people have to fork over $5 each. That's 5k. We make 30%-40% on each dollar wagered, with a $15k cap. That's another 8K. Then there's beer and pizza with a net per-body, per-night of another $20. That's $20,000. Grand total; $45K per-night, no overhead, clear profit. What am I missing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l48P86a2QOQ
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
AxelWolf
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October 16th, 2014 at 8:55:05 AM permalink
I take it from your silence after watching how easy it is(many more ways), especially with no security cameras , experts or any real fear of getting busted. $500 a day for a few hours of play adds up quickly for someone. (some guy on the forum here was looking to just make an extra $5 to $10 per day gambling)

A few guys doing this could be costing you a half a mill per year.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 16th, 2014 at 6:28:55 PM permalink
Quote: Riva

AxelWolf...you now have my antennae up. Please share how people may be cheating on us in roulette. I'm serious.

We have 2, 20' roulette tables. Each table is made up of 2, 10' sections. There is a layout on each side, right and left. The wheel (32") rests in the middle between each layout. Each table is manned by 3 people: a person in the middle who spins the wheel and makes the calls. They also muck chips between spins.

Then, there is a dealer directly parked over each layout right and left. They hover over their respective layout like it was a their own wallet laying there. If anybody tried to drag a bet and/or past-post, it's almost sure to be seen.

And, as far as dealer/player collusion...the people are, for the most part, volunteers and, have children that attend this parochial school. For what benefit?. Again, we have a $500 cap on winnings per-night. Jilted wheel? No way. Unbalanced wheel? Perhaps.

So, somebody scams us for $100. No big deal. The room cleared $25,000 for the night. If I put the hammer down on the games, would I then make $27,400?

Look at the big picture. Just to get in to the room, 1,000 people have to fork over $5 each. That's 5k. We make 30%-40% on each dollar wagered, with a $15k cap. That's another 8K. Then there's beer and pizza with a net per-body, per-night of another $20. That's $20,000. Grand total; $45K per-night, no overhead, clear profit. What am I missing?



There really seems to be no downside to attempting to cheat, as you could only kick people out and it would be very difficult to bring charges without video evidence. The thing is, you can't even calculate how much you are losing to cheating/collusion/mispays. Hire a couple plainclothes guys to observe for just one night and see if you snap anyone off. A team of two guys that can win $1000/night can crush you. Even more if they recruit accomplices to cash chips. If you can just set up cheap cameras to record the layouts it would be a good investment.

You could alternatively find a friend who is a professional magician/cheat and have him "mystery shop" the games and see how much he can make off with (returning it at the end), although this may not be legally feasible. I have physically been looking directly at people who are past posting, knowing they are cheating, and not being able to see the move.

Anyways, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, etc. Some people will never be convinced that putting a tiny percentage of your win towards game protection is worth it. You might just try reaching out to some surveillance directors in your local area, telling them you are a charity, and asking for off the record advice.
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October 24th, 2014 at 6:35:36 AM permalink
Quote: Riva

If anybody here has any insight as how chips are cleaned at a casino and how often, please share. Thanks.



Before working as a dealer I used to have allergies and hay-fever all summer and colds all winter ... after a few years I became immune to point blank chemical weapons it seams .. lol .. I'm thinking this has a direct link to all teeny-tiny creepy-crawleys on chips and money!

I've asked before but never really got a straight answer .. I'd guess it was a little like currency where they simply destroy and replace. But that's a total guess! lol

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