AxiomOfChoice
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August 27th, 2014 at 11:19:17 AM permalink
I have trouble believing this. I've seen casino security show up to diffuse a violent situation in seconds.
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August 27th, 2014 at 11:27:35 AM permalink
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I have trouble believing this. I've seen casino security show up to diffuse a violent situation in seconds.

Would you like to meet some of the people who were there, and the woman who was the target of the enraged scumbag? I can introduce you pretty easily; let me know next time you make it to town. Her first name is Carrie. She works in a center Strip poker room owned by Caesars, and is personally known to some other people who I know are acquainted with this site and that name and specific property would now be immediately recognized by other local people if they happen to follow this thread. If you'd prefer, you may contact me directly via private message and I'll give you more identifying specifics so you can go directly ask her about it yourself, privately rather than in a public forum. She isn't a shy gal, and sure wouldn't have any trouble remembering it.

I'm glad to hear that casino security actually did something about that kind of situation somewhere. What exactly did they do to "diffuse" it? I have no doubt that different businesses instruct their people differently (I certainly hope so) but I'm telling you exactly what I and quite a few others personally saw at that property at that time, and have seen in multiple similar occasions at other Las Vegas properties. I'm actually in them quite a lot. Are you?
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August 27th, 2014 at 11:36:40 AM permalink
I spend a lot of time in LV casinos (probably not as much as many Vegas locals, but easily in the top percentile for tourists. Maybe 30-40 days/year?). I've never once seen anything remotely similar to what you describe.

I have certainly seen players verbally abuse the dealers and have it be tolerated way beyond the point that I feel it should be, but any time I have seen anything remotely resembling a threat of physical violence (which has not been very many times) security has been there so fast that I have to believe that they were on their way before it happened (due to reading body language or something)

I am not really doubting you because you don't have a history of posting BS on this forum, but at the same time I have a hard time believing it because it is the exact opposite of what I have seen. I'm just in my usual skeptical state of not knowing.
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August 27th, 2014 at 12:23:25 PM permalink
They did respond fast. Unfortunately that response was comprised entirely of standing as a group in a circle on the casino floor yards away outside of the rail and passively observing. And nothing else, other than following him out (at a distance) when he eventually went to the doorway after apparently tiring of terrorizing her. I can give a plethora of similar though less dramatic examples that I personally have seen, but this was particularly shocking to a number of people because it involved a woman who was their known & trusted employee as well as someone a lot of regular customers look up to fondly, and it was much more threatening than some jerk merely berating a dealer or other staff because he's an emotionally childish douchenozzle who throws a little verbal fit when he doesn't like a ruling or simply lost a pot. You are right that I don't bullspit. I just don't. Some people actually make choices based on what they read on the web. When I don't know something or it is ambiguous, I try to make a point of being clear about that, not least of all to myself.

So up to your judgement which you think is more likely to be common, and to me what I think of some folk's judgement on what they choose to worry about: passive risk-averse security in properties that may be hyper-sensitive to adverse publicity from a hyped complaint from anyone, or casinos seeking opportunities to kill their customers.

I know you didn't make this assertion, but for others who visit I've said it before and I'm going to repeat it again now and in the future: Assuming that a casino will be responsible for your personal security and is endowed with both some wondrously magic potent ability to do that and has been given great discretion to do so is often a seriously misguided myth; one that is commonplace, but a myth. I'm glad to hear you've seen them being more active (I hope recently). I have too, but I really can't remember the last time and place, and the opposite is a lot more easy to recall, as in something just a few weeks ago not ten yards away from me at a big brown edifice that is arguably the most high-end of places on the Strip, in a situation that the manager of that part of the casino obviously knew was killing his business sending customers sensibly fleeing away in droves to avoid, and he clearly felt helpless to do anything to get removed. Either that, or he's an idiot and a clock-watching wuss, and I think I've seen enough of him that I don't believe he's either of those things. I think he's probably been told something by somebody at a higher level who was probably cowed into putting out a dysfunctional "better do nothing" memo by a brigade of lawyers. Quite possibly encouraged to be that way, to the detriment of everyone, by hyped up nonsense to the effect that it is a commonplace problem for casinos to have people often going around beating up their customers.
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August 27th, 2014 at 2:19:12 PM permalink
DD,

Didn't doubt for a minute it happened; I'm just horrified about it. I have also had the opposite experience; the slightest bit of nastiness gets addressed quickly and professionally, that I've seen, everywhere I've been.
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August 27th, 2014 at 2:26:28 PM permalink
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DD,

Didn't doubt for a minute it happened; I'm just horrified about it. I have also had the opposite experience; the slightest bit of nastiness gets addressed quickly and professionally, that I've seen, everywhere I've been.

Well, then when you visit next month don't go and burst your bubble by using the main restroom very often which is nearest the SW facing entrance from the Strip in the Flamingo, where some especially aggressive dope dealers & wannabe pimps have long been known to set up shop fairly regularly as if they owned the joint, generating bushels of disturbed customer complaints that I kept hearing at the tables week after week after week when I used to have the Pink Chicken on my circuit of places I'd go. But I'm guessing that's probably too 'down market' among casinos for you anyways. And since I don't go there at all anymore, maybe by now they eventually decided to notice what everyone was forcefully and constantly telling them and have cleaned it up after months of choosing to ignore it, though I won't try to offer any odds on that.

If these "casinos are beating people up for chewing gum" threads are going to be a regular feature, maybe I should take to posting the much more numerous & frequent public accounts of customers who get seriously hurt by creeps with no legit purpose in casino resorts who seem to feel quite comfortable making a habit of hanging out there. But I won't, because it is all I'd be doing day in and day out, and it is ridiculous to make it sound as if either is something that would sensibly be the foremost thing at the very top of anyone's mind when you go there, any more than when you go to a shopping center or clubbing in the nightlife district of any sizable city.

Everyone there was pretty shocked at that one too, considering all the circumstances. Shocked into total inaction, a fact which seemed to embarrass and really bother pretty much all of us later. At least it sure felt that way to me, and especially in that particular incident still does whenever I think of it, and I'm not at all un-streetwise in a pretty wide range of city environments.
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August 27th, 2014 at 2:52:47 PM permalink
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Well, then don't burst your bubble by using the main restroom nearest the SW facing entrance from the Strip very often at Flamingo, where some especially aggressive dope dealers & wannabe pimps have long been known to set up shop as if they owned the joint fairly regularly, generating bushels of disturbed customer complaints that I heard at the tables week after week after week when I used to have it on my circuit of places I'd go.



If something like that happened I would complain to security. If security did nothing, I would complain to my host.

Hosts basically run the place, especially senior hosts. The dope dealers may be bribing the low-paid security gorillas to turn a blind eye, but marketing will tear them a new one if they think it's costing them customers (since that costs them, personally, money)
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August 27th, 2014 at 3:06:48 PM permalink
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If something like that happened I would complain to security. If security did nothing, I would complain to my host.

Hosts basically run the place, especially senior hosts. The dope dealers may be bribing the low-paid security gorillas to turn a blind eye, but marketing will tear them a new one if they think it's costing them customers (since that costs them, personally, money)

Now that sounds to me like a really useful approach, rather than just b*tching to the most handy people with nametags running the particular part of the gaming floor (the poker room) that was near the problem. Now that you've made that eminently sensible observation & suggestion, I really regret that I never said anything like that to the folks who were visiting hotel guests and would have been likely to have hosts at the property. They were sure bugged enough about it to take the trouble to do it, and from what I saw of the brazen stupid aggressiveness of it a few times, I don't blame them at all for feeling disturbed & concerned that they walked through that on their precious vacation.

And while I had no trouble telling the sleazeballs to go perform an anatomically challenging act with what they were in my face trying to peddle, I really didn't appreciate vacationing guests suddenly feeling less fun loving and more tight at the table after a simple brief trip to use the restroom. I'm the sort that likes to have callers. And people call when they are relaxed and feeling everything is fun and sociable, not creepy and intimidating.
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