WoV East II
September 26th, 2014 at 5:40:08 PM
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Quote: RaleighCrapsWhy don't you make a run to The Meadows tomorrow?
Why go to AC and play under their bad rules when PA has plenty of choices with better BJ rules, and $5 games?
I'm driving 7 hours! You have to be closer than that, aren't you?
Yeah but I am working this weekend
September 26th, 2014 at 5:46:50 PM
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Quote: aceofspadesYeah but I am working this weekend
Bummer. I would love to meet you sometime, but I have vowed to never step foot in AC again, and I have held to that for 15 years now. Pretty sure that is something I will never go back on, even if it means never throwing a craps die again.
Always borrow money from a pessimist; They don't expect to get paid back !
Be yourself and speak your thoughts. Those who matter won't mind, and those that mind, don't matter!
September 26th, 2014 at 6:21:21 PM
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You folks have a lot of fun tomorrow without me. I'm in Florida this week. A couple of days ago, I met up with a WoV mod down here for some craps -- call it "WoV South 1" if you like, though I'm not sure that number is right -- and we plan to meet again tomorrow night for dinner. We'll probably talk about you a little. No photo this time though. ;-)
September 26th, 2014 at 7:10:37 PM
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Quote: DocYou folks have a lot of fun tomorrow without me. I'm in Florida this week. A couple of days ago, I met up with a WoV mod down here for some craps -- call it "WoV South 1" if you like, though I'm not sure that number is right -- and we plan to meet again tomorrow night for dinner. We'll probably talk about you a little. No photo this time though. ;-)
well well
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
September 26th, 2014 at 7:19:59 PM
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Dropped by the casino. I'm good to go it seems
Saw some $5 BJ, but it was mostly 10 ... some 25. Played some $10, $5 having vanished. But mostly just looking around. Couldn't find a good paytable for video poker, which bummed me. On the other hand, I barely know what I am doing with paytables. Video poker was generally all full up too.
Talked to a pit boss about us coming to play craps, who took interest; who knows what that will mean. Couldnt really ask for our own table, nor did doing so work last time. They had 4 tables going, mostly $10 min, but never less than 2 tables $5 min. Cross your fingers. If we have to break it up, we should make sure anything happening is witnessed. Keep working on getting the same table, of course. Esprit de Craps at all times [g].
Looking forward to it!
Saw some $5 BJ, but it was mostly 10 ... some 25. Played some $10, $5 having vanished. But mostly just looking around. Couldn't find a good paytable for video poker, which bummed me. On the other hand, I barely know what I am doing with paytables. Video poker was generally all full up too.
Talked to a pit boss about us coming to play craps, who took interest; who knows what that will mean. Couldnt really ask for our own table, nor did doing so work last time. They had 4 tables going, mostly $10 min, but never less than 2 tables $5 min. Cross your fingers. If we have to break it up, we should make sure anything happening is witnessed. Keep working on getting the same table, of course. Esprit de Craps at all times [g].
Looking forward to it!
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
September 26th, 2014 at 7:23:23 PM
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Quote: odiousgambitDropped by the casino. I'm good to go it seems
Saw some $5 BJ, but it was mostly 10 ... some 25. Played some $10, $5 having vanished. But mostly just looking around. Couldn't find a good paytable for video poker, which bummed me. On the other hand, I barely know what I am doing with paytables. Video poker was generally all full up too.
Talked to a pit boss about us coming to play craps, who took interest; who knows what that will mean. Couldnt really ask for our own table, nor did doing so work last time. They had 4 tables going, mostly $10 min, but never less than 2 tables $5 min. Cross your fingers. If we have to break it up, we should make sure anything happening is witnessed. Keep working on getting the same table, of course. Esprit de Craps at all times [g].
Looking forward to it!
I didn't realize you were here already. I would have come down had I known.
Everyone, make sure you print your $5 food coupon off of webpass. I think it is only 5,000 points.
Expect the worst and you will never be disappointed.
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September 26th, 2014 at 9:48:17 PM
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Quote: aceofspadesWhy wouldn't WOV East 2 be in AC?
Ace, the next WOV East can be in AC if you want to take charge and organize the 2015 party. We used to have an annual party until the organizer left the East Coast years ago.
Quote: RaleighCrapsWhy don't you make a run to The Meadows tomorrow?
Why go to AC and play under their bad rules when PA has plenty of choices with better BJ rules, and $5 games?
I'm driving 7 hours! You have to be closer than that, aren't you?
You're right. PA casinos (i.e., the Meadows Casino, see its winnings below) do offer the surrender option for the bj games, and that's it & nothing more. However, the NJ MegaCasino (i.e., Borgata) offers:
1) the great blackjack games that are un-matchable by PA casinos, such as 13 tables of $25 six-deckers, with a max-bet of $3,000, 24/7!
2) the less bouncier craps games. Patricia DeMauro had done the impossible in Bortgata...She had the longest winning craps rolls -- 4 hours and 18 minutes!
3) the best slots, such as the single-zero roulette slots & the most $100-minimum-per-pull-slots.
4) the only $5 3:2 blackjack table, 24/7, guaranteed! No PA casinos can guarantee a $5 3:2 blackjack table, 24/7.
5) the best perks & the best safty net...that is... no player will ever be banned for being a consistent-winner (no 86ing)!
Comparison of Borgata & Meadows:
Bortgata Meadows Borgata
August August Over
Winnings Winnings Meadows
$44,346,398 $20,148,471 $24,197,927 Slots
$21,551,300 $2,428,163 $19,123,137 Table
$65,897,698 $22,576,634 $43,321,064 Total
Recap: Borgata won $43,321,064 more than Meadows in August, 2014.
Gamblers will come to lose money when the smart management beats its competitors by offering better games, perks, services, etc...
Perhaps the next party may be in the AC MegaCasino.
I'm OK with Corps which pick and choose clienteles. Both insurance companies and casinos have the right to pick and choose customers. They may keep profitable ones and kicked out the rest. But, I'm not OK with a casino supervisor who says counting cards... is like stealing food from a buffet (a foodlifting offense), or video-taping a movie in a cinema (a piracy offense).
September 27th, 2014 at 3:51:49 AM
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Quote: GWAEI didn't realize you were here already. I would have come down had I known.
I'll explain later why I didn't try to see if anyone could join me.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
September 27th, 2014 at 6:50:26 AM
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Sounds good, I think they have a great craps game at the Meadows, looking forward to playing.
I'll be there at 12. I stopped by the hotel last night and visited Mission at work. He's almost definitely not coming. But he looks good -- he's doing well.
I'll be there at 12. I stopped by the hotel last night and visited Mission at work. He's almost definitely not coming. But he looks good -- he's doing well.
"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4
September 27th, 2014 at 1:33:50 PM
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Quote: teddysSounds good, I think they have a great craps game at the Meadows, looking forward to playing.
I'll be there at 12. I stopped by the hotel last night and visited Mission at work. He's almost definitely not coming. But he looks good -- he's doing well.
Thanks, Ted! I'd hope I look somewhat good...lol...I walk eight miles back from work more often than not, OneNickelMiracle can attest...even though I happened to have wheels yesterday.
And, actually, I stopped there to run off free play early a.m. and check UX, only four plays on nickels, made maybe $3.00 on that, but profited $80 overall largely courtesy of a Royal Flush w/Joker for $50 on dimes JP. Nice one, too, only held K-Jo-J Spades and got A-10, spades: 1 in 360.33 to pull any combination of the other three Royal Spades on the draw.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
September 27th, 2014 at 6:19:17 PM
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I'm here. I'm listening to the band in Headliners with my wife. I have on a red KIA golf shirt and a Cobra golf hat. Smoking a cigar. Sitting just wear carpet starts facing stage. If you see this...come say hello!
September 27th, 2014 at 6:47:32 PM
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.Quote: mwalz9I'm here. I'm listening to the band in Headliners with my wife. I have on a red KIA golf shirt and a Cobra golf hat. Smoking a cigar. Sitting just wear carpet starts facing stage. If you see this...come say hello!
Sorry to have missed you, was a fun but long day. About 4 hours of craps play, ended up a net of $1! Not bad considering I was down almost $80 after the early session. Amazing how just a few good shooters can turn things around.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
September 27th, 2014 at 6:57:50 PM
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Quote: mwalz9I'm here. I'm listening to the band in Headliners with my wife. I have on a red KIA golf shirt and a Cobra golf hat. Smoking a cigar. Sitting just wear carpet starts facing stage. If you see this...come say hello!
ahhh crap, wish I would have seen this earlier. We were there till right around 8.
I will leave the full TR for OG unless he doesn't want to do one.
Here is a spoiler.
Expect the worst and you will never be disappointed.
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September 27th, 2014 at 7:26:48 PM
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Aw ma lawd, was Neo there fingering the matrix code hitting every 4&10?Quote: GWAEahhh crap, wish I would have seen this earlier. We were there till right around 8.
I will leave the full TR for OG unless he doesn't want to do one.
Here is a spoiler.
I am a robot.
September 27th, 2014 at 7:33:31 PM
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Quote: onenickelmiracleAw ma lawd, was Neo there fingering the matrix code hitting every 4&10?Quote: GWAEahhh crap, wish I would have seen this earlier. We were there till right around 8.
I will leave the full TR for OG unless he doesn't want to do one.
Here is a spoiler.
Well I will say there was 1 shooter that hit a 4 point fire lighting up the 4,5,9,10. He rolled approx 30 minutes and hit the 4 and 10 maybe 10 times. There were only 2 of us on the fire and I am still angry that he couldn't throw a 6 or 8. In fact I think he only threw 2 6s the entire roll.
Expect the worst and you will never be disappointed.
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September 28th, 2014 at 4:34:06 PM
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Quote: mwalz9I'm here. I'm listening to the band in Headliners with my wife. I have on a red KIA golf shirt and a Cobra golf hat. Smoking a cigar. Sitting just wear carpet starts facing stage. If you see this...come say hello!
Sorry I missed you! My wife and I stayed there until 12:15 AM. I was playing the craps tables off and on, and we were also at the BJ tables.
Always borrow money from a pessimist; They don't expect to get paid back !
Be yourself and speak your thoughts. Those who matter won't mind, and those that mind, don't matter!
September 28th, 2014 at 5:10:48 PM
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Any luck after I left.
Expect the worst and you will never be disappointed.
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September 28th, 2014 at 5:49:58 PM
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mwalz, too bad we missed you. Next time?
A great time! It was Teddy's night for sure, although we are all going to have to admit to taking our licks early. Nonetheless a grand comeback indeed at the Craps table. How are we going to forget that evening?
I'll see if I can fit in a report tommorrow.
A great time! It was Teddy's night for sure, although we are all going to have to admit to taking our licks early. Nonetheless a grand comeback indeed at the Craps table. How are we going to forget that evening?
I'll see if I can fit in a report tommorrow.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
September 28th, 2014 at 6:04:22 PM
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We stayed till 1:30am. I played $5 craps and $5 House Money Blackjack for hours.
Any chance we were at same table(s)?
Any chance we were at same table(s)?
September 28th, 2014 at 7:03:06 PM
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Quote: mwalz9We stayed till 1:30am. I played $5 craps and $5 House Money Blackjack for hours.
Any chance we were at same table(s)?
from 6-8 we were at the non smoking craps table. The one across from the big 6 wheel.
I left at 8 so not sure what others played.
Expect the worst and you will never be disappointed.
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September 28th, 2014 at 8:09:55 PM
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Quote: mwalz9We stayed till 1:30am. I played $5 craps and $5 House Money Blackjack for hours.
Any chance we were at same table(s)?
I played about 3 short craps sessions. One on the table opposite the money wheel, then one on the table on the left side, and the final one on the last table on the right hand side.
Our BJ was played on the $10 table just below the craps tables. It had the side bet where you can bet on the dealer card being in the middle of your two cards. We left at 12:15 AM.
I checked the forum for your response when we stopped to eat lunch, but didn't see anything. I never thought to check later. I had on my orange shirt, with the Wizard of Odds logo on it, so if we had played together, I'm sure you would have noticed it. Sorry my wife and I missed your and yours.
Always borrow money from a pessimist; They don't expect to get paid back !
Be yourself and speak your thoughts. Those who matter won't mind, and those that mind, don't matter!
September 29th, 2014 at 6:48:41 AM
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It's OK. The Meadows is my "home" casino. I live close enough to go there a couple times a month. My problem is my work schedule. I am the F&I Manager at a car dealership and Saturdays are the days I make the most money of course, so I work every Saturday until at least 6. By the time I change and get up there it's usually 8pm. We'll hook up next time.
My gambling didn't go great, but didn't go bad. After listening to the band, I jumped on a $5 craps table with $100 buy in and played for about 90 minutes pretty much staying between $60-$140. I'd win some, then lose some, then win some. Never could get anything consistent going. I ended up coloring up for 1 black and leving even after 90 minutes.
I then waltzed over to the $5 "House Money" BJ game, even though I NEVER make that side bet. Bought in for the same hundred. It started off rough and I lost 6 hands in a row at one point. I was down to my last $25 and was ready to call it quits so I bet the whole $25 on one single hand. I ended up with 7/7 against a dealer 6. I pull another $25 out of my wallet to split and end up winning both 17/17 to bust. That seemed to turn my luck around. I then played for hours more until my wife came up behind me ready to go, she had been up since 6:30 am. I counted my chips and was at $375. I took my $125 buy in, stuffed it in my pocket and bet the other $250 on my last hand. It was gonna be win $500 or break even for me. I lost! :o( So basically, I gambled for about 4 hours, and broke even. I'll take that every trip. Plus, the free drinks while gambling now makes it even better.
We stopped off for a Pecan Waffle at the Waffle House and then hit I79 south for home.
I'd have loved to meet some of you, but there'll be another day.
My gambling didn't go great, but didn't go bad. After listening to the band, I jumped on a $5 craps table with $100 buy in and played for about 90 minutes pretty much staying between $60-$140. I'd win some, then lose some, then win some. Never could get anything consistent going. I ended up coloring up for 1 black and leving even after 90 minutes.
I then waltzed over to the $5 "House Money" BJ game, even though I NEVER make that side bet. Bought in for the same hundred. It started off rough and I lost 6 hands in a row at one point. I was down to my last $25 and was ready to call it quits so I bet the whole $25 on one single hand. I ended up with 7/7 against a dealer 6. I pull another $25 out of my wallet to split and end up winning both 17/17 to bust. That seemed to turn my luck around. I then played for hours more until my wife came up behind me ready to go, she had been up since 6:30 am. I counted my chips and was at $375. I took my $125 buy in, stuffed it in my pocket and bet the other $250 on my last hand. It was gonna be win $500 or break even for me. I lost! :o( So basically, I gambled for about 4 hours, and broke even. I'll take that every trip. Plus, the free drinks while gambling now makes it even better.
We stopped off for a Pecan Waffle at the Waffle House and then hit I79 south for home.
I'd have loved to meet some of you, but there'll be another day.
September 29th, 2014 at 10:24:18 AM
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so I get home Saturday night and realize that I had a black chip in my shirt pocket. It was a nice surprise since I thought I was down $75 for the night but it turned out that I was up $25. So this morning I decide to run down to cash it out, run my free play, and of course check UX. So while walking through the pit I hear loud cheering at the craps table. Mind you this is 8am and there are only 3 people playing so we all know what this cheer was for. I walk over and see that a lady just hit her 5th number on fire bet. On the come out she rolled 4 7s and then rolled the 9 to light up the 6th number. I stood there and watched to see if she would hit it. While going for it she rolled 10 times and hit the 4, 4 times in a row and 6, 8, and 10 the other 5. Of course on the 10th roll she sevened out. The one guy at the table said she was throwing for nearly an hour. There were 4 suits standing behind the box when I got there as well. I guess they were sweating the 2 $1 fire bets and the $5 fire. I took my phone out and a floor person saw me. He knew what I was about to do. I waited till the roll was over and took a quick shot and then got yelled at. I was quick enough to get a shot.
I as actually more impressed by the guy in spot 2 but I didn't take a picture of his rack. He was using spot 1 and 2. On the first rail he had his black chips which almost took up 2 rails. I am not sure how much can fit into 1 but he had a lot of money. He had his purple($500) in the second rail and it took up almost the entire one. When the person sevened out he had $100 pass and $1000 odds, he had $500 on hard 6 and 8, and $200 on hard 10 and 4. He also had $100 on midnight and yo. Saturday was the first time I have even seen someone play $1000 hard way but this guy was just as crazy. It actually may have been the same guy, looked similar but I am horrible with faces.
picture is hard to see but he had $500 on 4, $500 on 10, $600 on 6 and 8, and $400 on 5
I as actually more impressed by the guy in spot 2 but I didn't take a picture of his rack. He was using spot 1 and 2. On the first rail he had his black chips which almost took up 2 rails. I am not sure how much can fit into 1 but he had a lot of money. He had his purple($500) in the second rail and it took up almost the entire one. When the person sevened out he had $100 pass and $1000 odds, he had $500 on hard 6 and 8, and $200 on hard 10 and 4. He also had $100 on midnight and yo. Saturday was the first time I have even seen someone play $1000 hard way but this guy was just as crazy. It actually may have been the same guy, looked similar but I am horrible with faces.
picture is hard to see but he had $500 on 4, $500 on 10, $600 on 6 and 8, and $400 on 5
Expect the worst and you will never be disappointed.
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September 29th, 2014 at 11:55:05 AM
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cool story! are those your chips on the rail?
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
September 29th, 2014 at 12:57:48 PM
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Quote: GWAEI walk over and see that a lady just hit her 5th number on fire bet. On the come out she rolled 4 7s and then rolled the 9 to light up the 6th number. ...
I as actually more impressed by the guy in spot 2 .... When the person sevened out he had $100 pass and $1000 odds....
Isn't this one of the few situations where the Wizard has suggested that hedging can actually be a good thing to do? When they are shooting for the 6th unique point on the fire bet, instead of adding full odds behind your pass bet, I think he suggested that you should play no odds and lay the point to guarantee a win. Or maybe he didn't.
September 29th, 2014 at 12:57:51 PM
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naahh I didn't play. I took my $100 and left, lost my free play on 2 plays of UX.
Expect the worst and you will never be disappointed.
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September 29th, 2014 at 1:09:21 PM
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Quote: DocIsn't this one of the few situations where the Wizard has suggested that hedging can actually be a good thing to do? When they are shooting for the 6th unique point on the fire bet, instead of adding full odds behind your pass bet, I think he suggested that you should play no odds and lay the point to guarantee a win. Or maybe he didn't.
this was discussed, but never saw the Wizard weigh in that I remember
I think it is considered Arbitrage rather than Hedging
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
September 29th, 2014 at 1:46:35 PM
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Still working on trip report.
It was to honor the Wizard that we should have a trivia contest [as M-146 had done].
If you want to take it, here it is, questions improved from the original:
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1]In the US, the game called craps started in what city?
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2]Craps again, what is the casino game properly called?
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3]Which rule is worse for the player in Blackjack?
*Blackjack pays 6-5
*Dealer 22 is a push
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4]Besides color, what's the difference between roulette chips and other casino "chips"
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5]What are the chips used in most casino games properly called?
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6]Baccarat is also known as ?
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7]Besides eliminating the commission, EZ versions of table games usually involve what variation to the original game?
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8]When playing a newbie in rock-paper-scissors, especially a male, always throw what the first time!
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9]What is the title of the book for sale at Amazon written by the Wizard of Odds?
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10]Besides Utah what state has no legalized gambling whatsoever, no lottery, 'no nothing'?
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11]Blackjack: is it better to be up against a dealer 2 or dealer 7 ?
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12]In Blackjack, where does the House Edge come from?
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Tiebreaker] Name as many states as you can with no casinos (per American Casino Guide).
1]In the US, the game called craps started in what city?[a= in new orleans]
2]Craps again, what is the casino game properly called? [a=Bank Craps]
3]Which rule is worse for the player: [see for yourself]
*Blackjack pays 6-5 , -1.39%
*Dealer bust on 22 is a push, -6.91%
*not included in question but take a gander at this: Player loses 17-21 ties, -8.86%
source: https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/rule-variations/
4]Besides color, what's the difference between roulette chips and other casino "chips"[a=no denomination marked on r. chips]
5]What are the chips used in most casino games properly called? [a=cheques]
6]Baccarat is also known as ? [a= punto banco]
7]Besides eliminating the commission, EZ versions of table games usually involve what variation to the original game?[a=some other bet the player would win in the regular version, pushes instead ]
8]When playing a newbie in rock-paper-scissors, especially a male, always throw what the first time![a= paper]
9]What is the title of the book written by the Wizard of Odds? [a=Gambling 102]
10]Besides Utah what state has no legalized gambling whatsoever, no lottery, 'no nothing'?[a= Hawaii]
11]Blackjack: is it better to be up against a dealer 2 or dealer 7 ? [a= the 7]
12]In Blackjack, where does the House Edge come from? ['house wins all player busts' or 'dealer goes last' or 'player goes first' ]
Tiebreaker] Name as many states as you can with no casinos (per American Casino Guide).[a=Utah , Hawaii, Tenn, Vermont, Alaska, Kentucky, New Hampshire, Virginia]
It was to honor the Wizard that we should have a trivia contest [as M-146 had done].
If you want to take it, here it is, questions improved from the original:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
1]In the US, the game called craps started in what city?
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2]Craps again, what is the casino game properly called?
_
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3]Which rule is worse for the player in Blackjack?
*Blackjack pays 6-5
*Dealer 22 is a push
_
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4]Besides color, what's the difference between roulette chips and other casino "chips"
_
_
5]What are the chips used in most casino games properly called?
_
_
6]Baccarat is also known as ?
_
_
7]Besides eliminating the commission, EZ versions of table games usually involve what variation to the original game?
_
_
8]When playing a newbie in rock-paper-scissors, especially a male, always throw what the first time!
_
_
9]What is the title of the book for sale at Amazon written by the Wizard of Odds?
_
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10]Besides Utah what state has no legalized gambling whatsoever, no lottery, 'no nothing'?
_
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11]Blackjack: is it better to be up against a dealer 2 or dealer 7 ?
_
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12]In Blackjack, where does the House Edge come from?
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Tiebreaker] Name as many states as you can with no casinos (per American Casino Guide).
1]In the US, the game called craps started in what city?[a= in new orleans]
2]Craps again, what is the casino game properly called? [a=Bank Craps]
3]Which rule is worse for the player: [see for yourself]
*Blackjack pays 6-5 , -1.39%
*Dealer bust on 22 is a push, -6.91%
*not included in question but take a gander at this: Player loses 17-21 ties, -8.86%
source: https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/rule-variations/
4]Besides color, what's the difference between roulette chips and other casino "chips"[a=no denomination marked on r. chips]
5]What are the chips used in most casino games properly called? [a=cheques]
6]Baccarat is also known as ? [a= punto banco]
7]Besides eliminating the commission, EZ versions of table games usually involve what variation to the original game?[a=some other bet the player would win in the regular version, pushes instead ]
8]When playing a newbie in rock-paper-scissors, especially a male, always throw what the first time![a= paper]
9]What is the title of the book written by the Wizard of Odds? [a=Gambling 102]
10]Besides Utah what state has no legalized gambling whatsoever, no lottery, 'no nothing'?[a= Hawaii]
11]Blackjack: is it better to be up against a dealer 2 or dealer 7 ? [a= the 7]
12]In Blackjack, where does the House Edge come from? ['house wins all player busts' or 'dealer goes last' or 'player goes first' ]
Tiebreaker] Name as many states as you can with no casinos (per American Casino Guide).[a=Utah , Hawaii, Tenn, Vermont, Alaska, Kentucky, New Hampshire, Virginia]
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
September 29th, 2014 at 2:14:55 PM
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I hope you post the answers as well! =)
Again sad I couldn't join up with you guys this past weekend. Apparently my buddy I've been training went out there and played blackjack all evening. So if you played at $5 or $10 shoe game (lucky lady tables I'm sure - he loves that side bet) you probably played with him! (I had a description of him in here but decided against pin pointing what he looks like because it's up to him he he wants to be identified)
Again sad I couldn't join up with you guys this past weekend. Apparently my buddy I've been training went out there and played blackjack all evening. So if you played at $5 or $10 shoe game (lucky lady tables I'm sure - he loves that side bet) you probably played with him! (I had a description of him in here but decided against pin pointing what he looks like because it's up to him he he wants to be identified)
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
September 29th, 2014 at 3:40:23 PM
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Quote: GWAEnaahh I didn't play. I took my $100 and left, lost my free play on 2 plays of UX.
You didn't use it Saturday? Did Sunday start the cycle? What is the last day of this cycle? (Lost my mailer)
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
September 29th, 2014 at 3:41:54 PM
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Quote: odiousgambitthis was discussed, but never saw the Wizard weigh in that I remember
I think it is considered Arbitrage rather than Hedging
It's technically still a hedge, with Arbitrage you have a KNOWN positive expected value before a bet on either side is made.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
September 29th, 2014 at 4:54:06 PM
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Quote: Mission146You didn't use it Saturday? Did Sunday start the cycle? What is the last day of this cycle? (Lost my mailer)
There was just the bonus today. I only had $15, not enough to make a trip but I wanted to cash the chip before I lost it. I already threw away my mailer so not sure what the last day is but the new one starts on 10/02
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September 29th, 2014 at 5:14:41 PM
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Quote: RomesI hope you post the answers as well! =)
I certainly will
in the meantime, usually folks can use the spoiler function to post answers with the format:
[spoiler=my answers](whatever your answers are)[/spoiler]
(for example)
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September 29th, 2014 at 5:28:43 PM
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1. -
2. Hazard
3. 6-5
4. Anti counterfeit properties (color inserts, impressions, UV markings)
5. cheques
6. a horrible, stupid game
7. pushes
8. paper
9. Gambling 102
10. Hawaii
11. 7
12. Player acting first
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October 2nd, 2014 at 6:44:56 AM
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Trip Report / Craps
I'll do a blog someday on the trip, but I am kind of busy and can't seem to be able to get around to it now.
So I think I will give my version of the Craps play for now.
The Meadows does offer 10x odds, and we did in fact succeed in sticking to $5 tables even though it was Saturday night. This meant I could be at full odds with a $55 bet, something I am comfortable with while still providing intense excitement.
As per upward in the thread [pg 14] we had a Craps Challenge; I find these fun, and theoretically anyway not hard to pay off, as a hard-won contest just means good chances of a big win. I think it was R-craps who said maybe this time we set the bar too low as we weren't doing so good at first. A more cautious approach would have little money paid out I think, until at least 2 players made at least 2 points in a hand. But I didn't want it to be the case that maybe some lame amount was awarded unless everybody really sucked. As it turned out, at first I was the only one who made 2 points in a hand, nobody else could do a thing practically IIRC.
We were limping pretty bad until somebody suggested we go to an empty table that had opened up [the other shooters not in our group also were lousy]. This turned our luck around; as I remember we generally shot better, in any case Teddy shot well winning the contest with 3 points resolved in one of his hands. And bailing at least me out, at one point I was down about a grand.
Thinking about my promise to pretty much at least hand out novelty items even if everybody sucked, I was pretty pleased with what I could find to do. Blackjackinfo dot com has a liberal policy regarding this logo below; and I found Vistaprint could really kick out pretty fast and fairly inexpensively coffee mugs and pens in small quantities.
If I ever get back to Vegas I think I am going to walk around the Strip handing out these pens!
So Teddy won a coffee mug with logo, and everybody got pens with the logo. I was pretty please with the reception it all got.
After dinner everybody wanted to hit the Craps table again so although there was no new challenge, this where the excitement really began. All of us seemed to be shooting better, and there were a couple of other shooters who were hot. Especially the one guy who rolled fire bet numbers.
I especially kept an eye on Teddy and always find it interesting how his style and mine will vary. If I am comfortable with the bet size, I generally will occasionally keep 2 numbers going to be resolved if the shooter gives me the right vibes. I am fine with odds off on the come-out with 10x odds. Teddy, on the other hand, tends to push by constantly having a Come bet going, odds always on; any caution seems to play out by having less than full odds sometimes IIRC. This latter method means it is critical to have a hot shooter or two. At one point Teddy mentioned he wasn't doing as well as I was, having so much at risk when a 7-out did come. I said to him, I could see that, but those times when I really cleaned up was when I bet more similarly to his style. About this time we get the really hot shooter. I could see I might push more myself, but I have this thing about not making a Come bet unless I have done it immediately, and had to wait for a bet to resolve. I probably continued to be somewhat cautious, can't remember. But Teddy was cleaning up. That is his color-up in the picture posted up-thread organized into 100s ... especially considering that he buys in for less than me, clearly he is the grand winner of the second session; we wound up with big chip piles but mine colored up with less.
So congratulations to Teddy for an awesome two sessions. AFAIK everybody including me covered what we were down previously, and then some [me barely]. And boy was that a fun session!
Answers to trivia soon [easily searchable too]. This post may have errors but I need to close it out. [edits]
I'll do a blog someday on the trip, but I am kind of busy and can't seem to be able to get around to it now.
So I think I will give my version of the Craps play for now.
The Meadows does offer 10x odds, and we did in fact succeed in sticking to $5 tables even though it was Saturday night. This meant I could be at full odds with a $55 bet, something I am comfortable with while still providing intense excitement.
As per upward in the thread [pg 14] we had a Craps Challenge; I find these fun, and theoretically anyway not hard to pay off, as a hard-won contest just means good chances of a big win. I think it was R-craps who said maybe this time we set the bar too low as we weren't doing so good at first. A more cautious approach would have little money paid out I think, until at least 2 players made at least 2 points in a hand. But I didn't want it to be the case that maybe some lame amount was awarded unless everybody really sucked. As it turned out, at first I was the only one who made 2 points in a hand, nobody else could do a thing practically IIRC.
We were limping pretty bad until somebody suggested we go to an empty table that had opened up [the other shooters not in our group also were lousy]. This turned our luck around; as I remember we generally shot better, in any case Teddy shot well winning the contest with 3 points resolved in one of his hands. And bailing at least me out, at one point I was down about a grand.
Thinking about my promise to pretty much at least hand out novelty items even if everybody sucked, I was pretty pleased with what I could find to do. Blackjackinfo dot com has a liberal policy regarding this logo below; and I found Vistaprint could really kick out pretty fast and fairly inexpensively coffee mugs and pens in small quantities.
If I ever get back to Vegas I think I am going to walk around the Strip handing out these pens!
So Teddy won a coffee mug with logo, and everybody got pens with the logo. I was pretty please with the reception it all got.
After dinner everybody wanted to hit the Craps table again so although there was no new challenge, this where the excitement really began. All of us seemed to be shooting better, and there were a couple of other shooters who were hot. Especially the one guy who rolled fire bet numbers.
I especially kept an eye on Teddy and always find it interesting how his style and mine will vary. If I am comfortable with the bet size, I generally will occasionally keep 2 numbers going to be resolved if the shooter gives me the right vibes. I am fine with odds off on the come-out with 10x odds. Teddy, on the other hand, tends to push by constantly having a Come bet going, odds always on; any caution seems to play out by having less than full odds sometimes IIRC. This latter method means it is critical to have a hot shooter or two. At one point Teddy mentioned he wasn't doing as well as I was, having so much at risk when a 7-out did come. I said to him, I could see that, but those times when I really cleaned up was when I bet more similarly to his style. About this time we get the really hot shooter. I could see I might push more myself, but I have this thing about not making a Come bet unless I have done it immediately, and had to wait for a bet to resolve. I probably continued to be somewhat cautious, can't remember. But Teddy was cleaning up. That is his color-up in the picture posted up-thread organized into 100s ... especially considering that he buys in for less than me, clearly he is the grand winner of the second session; we wound up with big chip piles but mine colored up with less.
So congratulations to Teddy for an awesome two sessions. AFAIK everybody including me covered what we were down previously, and then some [me barely]. And boy was that a fun session!
Answers to trivia soon [easily searchable too]. This post may have errors but I need to close it out. [edits]
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
October 2nd, 2014 at 12:15:45 PM
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Quote: odiousgambitI think it was R-craps who said maybe this time we set the bar too low as we weren't doing so good at first. A more cautious approach would have little money paid out I think, until at least 2 players made at least 2 points in a hand. But I didn't want it to be the case that maybe some lame amount was awarded unless everybody really sucked. As it turned out, at first I was the only one who made 2 points in a hand, nobody else could do a thing practically IIRC....
"nobody else could do a thing practically IIRC"
I think this is pretty much an understatement. Our first shooter threw a blank. I then made one point. Next shooter threw a blank. Next shooter was one point. Then, OG ended our first pass by making 2 points.
Our second pass of the dice at our end was almost as bad. I don't remember this as clearly though. I don't remember if the first shooter was no point, or one. I know I had a quick 7 out. Can't remember what shooters 3 and 4 did for sure, but I think they were both no points. I remember OG also had a quick 7 out. And that was the end of my first session.
Quote: odiousgambit
AFAIK everybody including me covered what we were down previously, and then some [me barely]. And boy was that a fun session!
Well, not quite everybody :-( I may have been completely whole at one point, and I did cash out for more than I bought in, but I was still down at that point, due to less than stellar BJ play.
I would have been way ahead if I had enough buy-in to be Buying the 4 and 10. That one shooter hit the four 4x, and the 10 5x. That was were you come bettors really cleaned up, and got way ahead of me.
As for always having the odds work, I'm not sure I like that strategy when you have more than 2 Come Bets on the table.
* Firstly, by always working the odds, you are NEVER safe from the 7. And while long rolls (multiple points) happen often, long rolls with NO SEVEN ever thrown are much more infrequent.
* Secondly, with say 2 Come Bets on the table (let's say $50 in odds), you are essentially risking $100 to try and win one odds bet. If you have 5 Come bets on the table, you are risking $250 to win one odds bet! Sure, you have 5 chances to win one of the bets, but in the end, you are still risking $250 to win $60-$100, depending on the number.
Since it is all 0% HE bets, I'm sure the math works out, which means this is nothing more than a very high variance play, but it sure feels worse than that to me.
The last time I met teddys, my across betting was the clear winner, as I cashed out a huge win, while the come bettors lost pretty badly, primarily due to Come Out 7s. This time my across betting took it on the chin, although the real problem was my limited bankroll, which I was afraid was going to be an issue. Even on a $5 table, a $500 buy-in is not enough to be able to play across, and include the 4/10 at $50.
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October 2nd, 2014 at 12:39:38 PM
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Quote: RaleighCraps"As for always having the odds work, I'm not sure I like that strategy when you have more than 2 Come Bets on the table."
As the Wizard himself has said: "The player should always leave the odds on regardless of how many come bets are active. When considering the options, looking at the probability of winning alone is not enough. Yes, with one come bet the odds of losing the come bet are greater than winning, however the potential win is greater than potential loss. The reason the player should always leave the odds on are because it is a bet with zero house edge. By turning the odds off the player is making the overall game more heavily weighted towards the bets with a house edge, thus increasing the overall ratio of the expected loss to the total amount bet."
https://wizardofodds.com/ask-the-wizard/craps/odds-bets/
October 2nd, 2014 at 12:48:51 PM
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With an "unlimited" bankroll, I would agree. But RaleighCraps pointed out that he was using a small bankroll; if I had been there, mine would have been tiny. It's another case where EV is not the only important factor in deciding whether a bet is good. When I am making come bets, I frequently start to worry that I have just cranked variance too high with those odds bets. More chances to win + a chance to lose big all at once.
October 2nd, 2014 at 12:56:11 PM
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If you have such a small bankroll that you're sweating it, why even make come bets at all? Why not just stick with the pass and odds? I'm just curious.
I'm also not calling anyone out, as I usually only am willing to lose $300-$400 during any casino visit and try to limit my sessions to $100 buy ins. That being my bankroll, I usually only play the line. Sometimes not even taking full odds. I'f I'm playing PASS I'll usually start with $5 on pass and take 5x odds on the 6/8, $6 behind a 5 or 9 and no odds on a 4 or 10 until Im up a bit. If I'm playing the DON"TS I'll put $30 behind a 4 or 10, $9 behind a 5 or 9 and nothing behind a 6 or 8. When I get ahead, I increase my odds play and then sometimes Place the 6 or 8.
I'm also not calling anyone out, as I usually only am willing to lose $300-$400 during any casino visit and try to limit my sessions to $100 buy ins. That being my bankroll, I usually only play the line. Sometimes not even taking full odds. I'f I'm playing PASS I'll usually start with $5 on pass and take 5x odds on the 6/8, $6 behind a 5 or 9 and no odds on a 4 or 10 until Im up a bit. If I'm playing the DON"TS I'll put $30 behind a 4 or 10, $9 behind a 5 or 9 and nothing behind a 6 or 8. When I get ahead, I increase my odds play and then sometimes Place the 6 or 8.
October 2nd, 2014 at 1:40:37 PM
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Quote: mwalz9As the Wizard himself has said: "The player should always leave the odds on regardless of how many come bets are active. When considering the options, looking at the probability of winning alone is not enough. Yes, with one come bet the odds of losing the come bet are greater than winning, however the potential win is greater than potential loss. The reason the player should always leave the odds on are because it is a bet with zero house edge. By turning the odds off the player is making the overall game more heavily weighted towards the bets with a house edge, thus increasing the overall ratio of the expected loss to the total amount bet."
https://wizardofodds.com/ask-the-wizard/craps/odds-bets/
Sorry if this has been covered, but should I be leaving my 6-8 place bets on through subsequent come-outs as well? There were more than a few cases last week where they would have paid on the come-out, but I got nothing from them except the option to move them elsewhere when 6 or 8 became the point. Only twice did a shooter throw a 7 on a subsequent come-out (one back-to-back for a total of 3). Perhaps it was just that session?
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
October 2nd, 2014 at 1:54:58 PM
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Quote: beachbumbabsSorry if this has been covered, but should I be leaving my 6-8 place bets on through subsequent come-outs as well? There were more than a few cases last week where they would have paid on the come-out, but I got nothing from them except the option to move them elsewhere when 6 or 8 became the point. Only twice did a shooter throw a 7 on a subsequent come-out (one back-to-back for a total of 3). Perhaps it was just that session?
No, because those bets have an edge. Odds bets should be working because they have no edge.
October 2nd, 2014 at 2:21:38 PM
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Quote: wudgedNo, because those bets have an edge. Odds bets should be working because they have no edge.
Thanks, wudged!
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
October 2nd, 2014 at 6:25:43 PM
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Quote: mwalz9If you have such a small bankroll that you're sweating it, why even make come bets at all? Why not just stick with the pass and odds? I'm just curious....
This is a valid question. Simple answer is I am an action junkie. I like the have a decision on most every roll of the dice, preferably with the casino paying me. When I buy-in for 1000 or 1500 I can play that style and will usually get a fairly long session in before I either win a bunch, or go broke.
When I have to buy in with much less, just playing PL and some odds gets too boring for me. It feels like watching paint dry. So, I add in the Place 6 and 8. Of course, as soon as the shooters start throwing 5 and 9s, I need to get those as well. And so it goes.
I have had moderate success winning good amounts at times with a low buy-in, but it is a real crap shoot. But when it works, it is a great feeling. One good roll when you buy-in and you can easily win 4x or more. But when you are trying to play with a bunch of friends for a couple of hours, my style of play is no bueno.
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October 3rd, 2014 at 3:56:08 PM
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Quote: RaleighCrapsBut when you are trying to play with a bunch of friends for a couple of hours, my style of play is no bueno.
Why? not sure I follow that
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
October 3rd, 2014 at 9:23:25 PM
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Quote: RaleighCrapsBut when you are trying to play with a bunch of friends for a couple of hours, my style of play is no bueno.
Quote: odiousgambitWhy? not sure I follow that
It is all about the buy-in size, and the RoR.
I only had about $800 for this trip, and that was for craps and BJ for my wife and I. So even though I bought in for $500, I really didn't want to lose much more than $300 of that. Sure, I could have just stuck with PL and full odds, for a $55 bet, but the reality is, not many people make enough points for that to be profitable. It has been my experience that I make my money on all the box numbers that get hit while waiting for a point to be made.
I hated to leave the table as fast as I did the first session, but I was really worried I was going to bust out in the first 45 minutes, and that would have been really bad, since I was planning to stick around in case mwalz9 made it there.
I thought about going to the darkside, and I did make one $25 DC bet, which of course was wiped out when the shooter went PSO.
Other than a couple of shooters that hit the fire, I think there were only 1 or 2 others that made more than 2 points. Our money was made on the box numbers, mine as Buy bets, and yours as Come Bets.
The buy-in I am most used to is $1000. This generally gives me enough cushion to be able to ride out a few bad shooters, and not have to restrict my bets. I can lose $700, but still have $300 in play, and next thing you know, you hit a roll, and are back even. With a $500 buy-in, it is broke and done.
I better figure it out quickly though. I got a freebie cruise on RC's Oasis of the Seas through my junket agent, so I will be playing craps on a smaller than normal BR again. Normally I look forward to playing mostly alone, but I have been in a really bad slump. I personally have not had a decent roll in quite a while now. I've had winning sessions, but not certainly due to my throws.
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October 6th, 2014 at 7:09:51 AM
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Quote: Face
1. -
2. Hazard
3. 6-5
4. Anti counterfeit properties (color inserts, impressions, UV markings)
5. cheques
6. a horrible, stupid game
7. pushes
8. paper
9. Gambling 102
10. Hawaii
11. 7
12. Player acting first
Tie. -
answers now at the original post
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/19342-wov-east-ii/18/#post400291
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
October 6th, 2014 at 8:01:13 AM
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Quote: odiousgambit...
Tiebreaker] Name as many states as you can with no casinos (per American Casino Guide)....
Tiebreaker] Name as many states as you can with no casinos (per American Casino Guide).[a=Utah , Hawaii, Tenn, Vermont, Alaska, Kentucky, New Hampshire, Virginia]
In the Casino Chip of the Day thread, I have posted a chip from one of the several casinos in one of the states that you list as having no casinos.
The Ocean Gaming charity casino in Hampton Beach, NH. Chip posted here.
I suppose that is an error by the American Casino Guide rather than your error.
October 6th, 2014 at 9:31:38 AM
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Quote: DocI suppose that is an error by the American Casino Guide rather than your error.
Still not on the list of states there. Interesting.
http://www.americancasinoguide.com/
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
October 6th, 2014 at 9:42:06 AM
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I think they are all charity games in NH. Maybe they don't list them since charity gaming is pretty close to a scam instead of a real casino.
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