Gambler sues casino because he lost while drunk
March 6th, 2014 at 8:45:34 AM
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No way this guy succeeds with this lawsuit, at least not in Nevada. It would open up the floodgates if it did, every night there are tons of drunk people losing their asses at the table. Drunk gambler lawsuit
March 6th, 2014 at 8:50:30 AM
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Like most cases of patron v. casino, this will come down to the facts. If the casino gave him markers after he was plastered, that's bad, but some people can hold their booze far better than others. I'd expect this to hinge on surveillance video.
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice."
-- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
March 6th, 2014 at 8:52:15 AM
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Didn't Terry Watanabe make a similar claim against Harrah's?
Fighting BS one post at a time!
March 6th, 2014 at 8:58:31 AM
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I don't know, if he was at the Roulette Table and the last two results were 6 and 13 to which he stated, "Six plus thirteen, that's nineteen, so I'm going to stand," and then he pushes all of his chips to 19 followed by puking all over the table and passing out, then the croupier spinning the wheel and the result being 32 which results in the croupier taking all of his chips...
...No, not in Nevada, not a chance.
...No, not in Nevada, not a chance.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
March 6th, 2014 at 9:00:10 AM
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Quote: MidwestAPNo way this guy succeeds with this lawsuit, at least not in Nevada. It would open up the floodgates if it did, every night there are tons of drunk people losing their asses at the table. Drunk gambler lawsuit
I don't know how much it will really affect things. For one thing, the burden of proof is there, and how does he prove he was drunk? Blow a breathalyzer? Casinos don't get to be billion-dollar enterprises without weaseling out of some stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if the top lawyers for the casino pull something out of their...ahem, hats.
March 6th, 2014 at 9:00:39 AM
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The article says Nevada law prohibits casinos from allowing a visibly drunk person to gamble so if the video shows the casino violated state law then he has a very viable case.
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March 6th, 2014 at 9:00:52 AM
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Quote: Mission146I don't know, if he was at the Roulette Table and the last two results were 6 and 13 to which he stated, "Six plus thirteen, that's nineteen, so I'm going to stand," and then he pushes all of his chips to 19 followed by puking all over the table and passing out, then the croupier spinning the wheel and the result being 32 which results in the croupier taking all of his chips...
...No, not in Nevada, not a chance.
That depends. If he passed out with his head on 32 it might have been a split bet. Pay the man at 17-1.
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice."
-- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
March 6th, 2014 at 9:06:17 AM
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Quote: MathExtremistThat depends. If he passed out with his head on 32 it might have been a split bet. Pay the man at 17-1.
I demand a 33% contingency fee if he pulls that claim off, totally my idea!!!
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
March 6th, 2014 at 9:08:10 AM
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If he is tipping the Tray Lizard well... he will get drinks.
If he can hardly stand.... and if his signature on markers deteriorates .... he is perhaps drunk but we hold drunk drivers responsible for their actions.
Bartenders learn because they are held to account if they dont.
Same with waitresses.
Eventually same with croupiers.
Is he making the decision to reach deeper and deeper into his wallet because he is drunk or is he trying to impress someone despite being drunk?
If he can hardly stand.... and if his signature on markers deteriorates .... he is perhaps drunk but we hold drunk drivers responsible for their actions.
Bartenders learn because they are held to account if they dont.
Same with waitresses.
Eventually same with croupiers.
Is he making the decision to reach deeper and deeper into his wallet because he is drunk or is he trying to impress someone despite being drunk?
March 6th, 2014 at 9:11:54 AM
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While a casino should cut off someone obviously incapacitated, players should also know better than to play while getting drunk.
A pox on both their houses.
A pox on both their houses.
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal
March 6th, 2014 at 9:21:01 AM
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Didn't work out too well for Leonard Tose in Atlantic City.
http://articles.philly.com/1993-02-19/news/25956286_1_leonard-tose-casino-employee-harvester
http://articles.philly.com/1993-02-19/news/25956286_1_leonard-tose-casino-employee-harvester
March 6th, 2014 at 9:31:15 AM
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Hey, I'm not proud of it, but I've been there (although not for this much money). And when I was blasted, my playing skills decreased somewhat, but worse was my money management went totally down the toilet. Yet, I have no one to blame but myself, I asked for the drinks and I put them in my body, end of story as far as I'm concerned.
March 6th, 2014 at 9:36:55 AM
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Quote: MidwestAPHey, I'm not proud of it, but I've been there (although not for this much money). And when I was blasted, my playing skills decreased somewhat, but worse was my money management went totally down the toilet. Yet, I have no one to blame but myself, I asked for the drinks and I put them in my body, end of story as far as I'm concerned.
Much as I agree with the sentiment of personal responsibility there is also the responsibility of the casino. The law says they cannot serve patrons who are too drunk and in the same spirit of bartenders who serve drunk drivers the casinos are responsible. Maybe if they start having to actually follow the law they'll start being responsible.
March 6th, 2014 at 9:40:24 AM
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If Johnston were to somehow win this lawsuit, his actions could become one of the most popular AP moves, lol.
March 6th, 2014 at 9:44:54 AM
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Quote: MidwestAPHey, I'm not proud of it, but I've been there (although not for this much money). And when I was blasted, my playing skills decreased somewhat, but worse was my money management went totally down the toilet. Yet, I have no one to blame but myself, I asked for the drinks and I put them in my body, end of story as far as I'm concerned.
Play craps instead: it's drunk-proof. You can't bet the passline any worse drunk than sober, and if you're too drunk to stand, you can't play at all (and therefore can't lose any more money).
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice."
-- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
March 6th, 2014 at 9:45:13 AM
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Quote: EdgeLookerIf Johnston were to somehow win this lawsuit, his actions could become one of the most popular AP moves, lol.
Or be the end of casinos serving booze. :(
March 6th, 2014 at 9:46:08 AM
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I read in an article when Tose was going off in Atlantic City the casino at all times had a cocktail waitress standing by his table with a fresh drink on it waiting for him . I'm sure when it was happening Tose was reveling in how important he was.
March 6th, 2014 at 11:04:47 AM
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Quote: Mission146I don't know, if he was at the Roulette Table and the last two results were 6 and 13 to which he stated, "Six plus thirteen, that's nineteen, so I'm going to stand," and then he pushes all of his chips to 19 followed by puking all over the table and passing out, then the croupier spinning the wheel and the result being 32 which results in the croupier taking all of his chips...
...No, not in Nevada, not a chance.
If he knows that 13+6 = 19, he can't be that drunk. He's doing better than a lot of blackjack dealers.
March 6th, 2014 at 11:14:37 AM
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It was years ago (9) in a Reno NV Casino and a guy overly intoxicated for 12 hours sat there and won 40K and the casino did everything possible to keep him there until it was all gone. Apparently, the dealers told him to leave ahead but the management pushed to keep him and they succeeded. A few hours later he was flat busted. Unless the casino in Vegas was placing his bets, he's SOL.
Reno Mike
March 6th, 2014 at 11:20:32 AM
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Are you an attorney?Quote: mikeabiomedUnless the casino in Vegas was placing his bets, he's SOL.
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March 6th, 2014 at 11:25:17 AM
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No, just a gambling fool that still has money because I don't get plastered and stupid.
Reno Mike
March 6th, 2014 at 12:31:29 PM
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Quote: darkozThe article says Nevada law prohibits casinos from allowing a visibly drunk person to gamble so if the video shows the casino violated state law then he has a very viable case.
In Delaware, maybe. In Nevada he could be passed
out at the table with the dealer betting his chips and
he still wouldn't win the lawsuit. The judges know who
butters their bread there.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
March 6th, 2014 at 12:48:24 PM
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Technically, the law states that casino's are held to the same standard as bars and clubs and must stop serving patrons that are obviously intoxicated, but in reality that just doesn't happen and isn't enforced. Many times I have witnessed gamblers and not even high rollers continue to be served, while they are clearly tanked, spilling drinks, slurring incoherently even falling down.
A ruling of this nature against a casino would cripple the casino industry. Every patron to lose money would claim to have been over served and the casino would have to start administering tests, breathalizers, as well as the old fingers to nose and walking a straight line, to determine that patrons were safe to play, just to cover their ass.
Where is the personal responsibility today. If you drink, get drunk, and lose control and all your money, that's on you. Don't go crying for your money back. But, I wouldn't mind seeing the casino industry be held a little more to the bar/club over serve standard and law and start to get some fines for clearly allowing over served patrons to continue to both drink and gamble.
And by the way, how do these drunk fools lose? Every drunk goofball, I have encountered seem to win. They double down on hard 14 and draw a 6. Stand on their 12 against the dealer 10 and the dealer breaks. Even ridiculous plays like standing on 3, 4 and guess what the dealer breaks. Someone upstairs always seems to be smiling on the drunks that I see. lol
A ruling of this nature against a casino would cripple the casino industry. Every patron to lose money would claim to have been over served and the casino would have to start administering tests, breathalizers, as well as the old fingers to nose and walking a straight line, to determine that patrons were safe to play, just to cover their ass.
Where is the personal responsibility today. If you drink, get drunk, and lose control and all your money, that's on you. Don't go crying for your money back. But, I wouldn't mind seeing the casino industry be held a little more to the bar/club over serve standard and law and start to get some fines for clearly allowing over served patrons to continue to both drink and gamble.
And by the way, how do these drunk fools lose? Every drunk goofball, I have encountered seem to win. They double down on hard 14 and draw a 6. Stand on their 12 against the dealer 10 and the dealer breaks. Even ridiculous plays like standing on 3, 4 and guess what the dealer breaks. Someone upstairs always seems to be smiling on the drunks that I see. lol
March 6th, 2014 at 12:59:50 PM
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They shouldn't be able to sue to get the money back that they lost, but they should be able to report it and the casino gets fined. This way people can't just get drunk make a bet and try to get it back, but the casino has an actual incentive to prevent actually intoxicated people from being served just like bars. Maybe take that money and put it towards rehabilitation or cleaning up some of the seedier parts of Vegas.
March 6th, 2014 at 1:05:36 PM
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kewlj --
It's because when a drunk stands on 12 vs. 10 and the dealer busts, it's extremely memorable and is seared into your long-term memory. When the drunk stands on 12 vs. 10 and loses, you forget about it almost immediately.
It's because when a drunk stands on 12 vs. 10 and the dealer busts, it's extremely memorable and is seared into your long-term memory. When the drunk stands on 12 vs. 10 and loses, you forget about it almost immediately.
March 6th, 2014 at 1:30:50 PM
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Had he left up 100k it would have been a fine time for the guy. Never hear a peep, except maybe bragging about the great trip.
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March 6th, 2014 at 1:45:06 PM
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doesnt really matter in the end because
he had fun
he had fun
March 6th, 2014 at 2:41:57 PM
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even if he don't recall making any bets the next day. But he had a blast. No doubt a Sayonara and and an Adios awaits him on departure.
Some people need to reimagine their thinking.
March 6th, 2014 at 3:14:44 PM
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Quote: EvenBobIn Delaware, maybe. In Nevada he could be passed
out at the table with the dealer betting his chips and
he still wouldn't win the lawsuit. The judges know who
butters their bread there.
Thats why Ken Uston won in NJ but lost in Nevada.
"Quit trying your luck and start trying your skill." Mickey Crimm
March 6th, 2014 at 3:21:14 PM
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The story is getting airtime. The Five on Fox News covered it today.
"Quit trying your luck and start trying your skill." Mickey Crimm
March 6th, 2014 at 3:44:34 PM
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Not according to Dan. He said, they will get you a room. hold your head while you puke and bring you flowers in the morning.Quote: EvenBobIn Delaware, maybe. In Nevada he could be passed
out at the table with the dealer betting his chips and
he still wouldn't win the lawsuit. The judges know who
butters their bread there.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
March 6th, 2014 at 3:52:01 PM
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well they would but those cheating card counters are stealing so much from the casinos they can't afford to help the guy anymore.Quote: AxelWolfNot according to Dan. He said, they will get you a room. hold your head while you puke and bring you flowers in the morning.
March 6th, 2014 at 5:58:08 PM
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I always take a sip of beer just for the "drunk" defense if I've had a bad session.
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March 6th, 2014 at 6:22:02 PM
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There will always be the two sides to this old, weather beaten coin. The casinos have rules but don't enforce them and the players have self control but lose it through imbibing.
I tend to think here that casinos should take more responsibility for what people do on the floor while gambling. If a person is too drunk to continue then Security should escort them to their rooms or out the door. If the person is too drunk to be left alone then they should be taken to a restaurant, sat down and given some coffee.
I have been in casinos almost all my life and I have seen some disturning images of drunk people. In my opinion casinos have much more to lose by allowing the person to gamble than what they do when asking the person to leave.
Bad press, lawsuits, other unhappy customers, fighting, more lawsuits, the cost of replacing layouts, move lawsuits.....
Just take care of your guests and be responsible......would be my opinion.
Perhaps no drinking on the casino floor or while gambling? You can drink all you like in restaurants, clubs and so on? Just a thought, which, like smoking will never happen of course!
I tend to think here that casinos should take more responsibility for what people do on the floor while gambling. If a person is too drunk to continue then Security should escort them to their rooms or out the door. If the person is too drunk to be left alone then they should be taken to a restaurant, sat down and given some coffee.
I have been in casinos almost all my life and I have seen some disturning images of drunk people. In my opinion casinos have much more to lose by allowing the person to gamble than what they do when asking the person to leave.
Bad press, lawsuits, other unhappy customers, fighting, more lawsuits, the cost of replacing layouts, move lawsuits.....
Just take care of your guests and be responsible......would be my opinion.
Perhaps no drinking on the casino floor or while gambling? You can drink all you like in restaurants, clubs and so on? Just a thought, which, like smoking will never happen of course!
“There is something about the outside of a horse that is good for the inside of a man.” - Winston Churchill
March 6th, 2014 at 6:37:07 PM
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If the person is drinking mixed drinks they can add more water to it, although that's probably illegal. Although maybe not, since drinks are free, as it's not an actual purchase.
Shoot, a drunken person, you might fool them with a half/half near beer if he's drinking beer.
Shoot, a drunken person, you might fool them with a half/half near beer if he's drinking beer.
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March 6th, 2014 at 6:44:30 PM
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Quote: rxwineIf the person is drinking mixed drinks they can add more water to it, although that's probably illegal. Although maybe not, since drinks are free, as it's not an actual purchase.
Shoot, a drunken person, you might fool them with a half/half near beer if he's drinking beer.
If they shoot all the drunken people...they would be out of business
March 6th, 2014 at 6:49:03 PM
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Quote: LarrySIf they shoot all the drunken people...they would be out of business
Hey I used a comma. It wasn't a "Let's eat Grampa." twas, "Let's eat, Grampa."
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March 6th, 2014 at 6:54:31 PM
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also... RIP Ramis
Sandy: [with heavy Scottish brougue]: Carl, I want you to kill all the gophers on the course.
Carl: Correct me if I'm wrong, Sandy, but if I kill all the golfers, they'll lock me up and throw away the key.
Sandy: [with heavy Scottish brougue]: Carl, I want you to kill all the gophers on the course.
Carl: Correct me if I'm wrong, Sandy, but if I kill all the golfers, they'll lock me up and throw away the key.
Sanitized for Your Protection
March 6th, 2014 at 6:57:03 PM
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Quote: rxwineHey I used a comma. It wasn't a "Let's eat Grampa." twas, "Let's eat, Grampa."
Funny. lol..
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
March 6th, 2014 at 6:57:45 PM
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Quote: rxwineHey I used a comma. It wasn't a "Let's eat Grampa." twas, "Let's eat, Grampa."
I think legally they could do it.
If they post..."anyone we deem too drunk to gamble will be shot. We do not assume any responsibility for any life lost"
I am not a lawyer, but I feel pretty confident about this one
