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EvenBob
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August 26th, 2013 at 1:37:26 PM permalink
There's a guy from the east coast who visited Vegas
for the first time recently and posted on Ahighs forum
that craps in Vegas sucks. He says in Vegas they
never let you shoot, compared to AC. And nobody in
Vegas has any money, compared to AC. Black chips
are common on the table and in Vegas its like nobody
has any money. He said even Tunica is better than
Vegas for craps. Can anybody here verify all of this,
is AC a better craps town?

Of course Ahigh threatened to ban him for bad mouthing
Vegas. Ahigh threatens people every day with banning,
its very comical. He manages to find insults when none
were intended.
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rdw4potus
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August 26th, 2013 at 1:45:26 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

There's a guy from the east coast who visited Vegas
for the first time recently and posted on Ahighs forum
that craps in Vegas sucks. He says in Vegas they
never let you shoot, compared to AC. And nobody in
Vegas has any money, compared to AC. Black chips
are common on the table and in Vegas its like nobody
has any money. He said even Tunica is better than
Vegas for craps. Can anybody here verify all of this,
is AC a better craps town?

Of course Ahigh threatened to ban him for bad mouthing
Vegas. Ahigh threatens people every day with banning,
its very comical. He manages to find insults when none
were intended.



In vegas they never let you shoot? Is that code for "In AC, there are no other players"? :-)

Vegas probably has the worst average odds of those 3 towns. I'm not sure that the color of the chips on the felt matters, but the average HE is probably highest in Vegas.
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DJTeddyBear
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August 26th, 2013 at 1:51:44 PM permalink
AC does have one specific dealer toke advantage, and that may make for friendlier dealers...

Discussed here:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/tables/9306-best-dealer-toke-craps-place-1-on-5-6-8-and-9-pays-2-and-piggyback-it/
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August 26th, 2013 at 1:55:25 PM permalink
Craps is craps is craps. The rules are a tad different, but they even out. AC is (universally?) 5x except for Bally's which is 10x, most of the strip is 3,4,5x but you can easily find 20x and even 100x in Vegas. AC is legally mandated to collect a $1 vig always until $35 (I think this is the situation, I never make buy bets there), MGM only collects on a win.

In terms of the clientele? Uh, at least in Vegas you don't have to deal with NYC accents all the time. By in large though, I don't really notice a difference, but I do play at lower end places in AC.
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EvenBob
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August 26th, 2013 at 1:59:33 PM permalink
Here's the thread before Ahigh deletes it.

http://forum.goodshooter.com/topic343.html
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Asswhoopermcdaddy
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August 26th, 2013 at 6:39:33 PM permalink
No idea what that guy was talking about. If he's basing all of his experience on just one casino in Vegas, he probably just lost a boatload of money there and is sore about it. Vegas was my first craps experience and it was great. Golden Nugget and will never forget it. I've been able to play at every casino I wanted to except the Monte Carlo. For whatever reason, their table is always packed when I am there. I'm sure it also has something to do with there only being one table open as well. Stayed or was in the area several times, but never could get a spot on the table.

I don't do AC anymore, but I'd imagine their craps tables to be no different.
MrV
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August 26th, 2013 at 6:49:11 PM permalink
I suppose it depends which casinos one frequents.

I see quite a bit of black chip and above action at MGM, especially on weekends.

Could be the guy at Ahigh's board played downtown, and not at one of the better strip properties.
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August 26th, 2013 at 6:55:55 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Of course Ahigh threatened to ban him for bad mouthing
Vegas. Ahigh threatens people every day with banning,
its very comical. He manages to find insults when none
were intended.


Yeah, I find it hilarious that the Ahigh-ster threatens to ban every non-buttkisser on his forum. And he wonders why no one takes him seriously?
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August 26th, 2013 at 7:57:21 PM permalink
Well, it is hard to beat the Tunica/Biloxi casinos for craps games.

Vig on the win,
$1 on $35 Buy 4 and 10
Vig on win for Buy 5 and 9
$1 vig on $36 Buy 5 and 9
3X Field common
Fire bet and Small Tall All betsl

And the dealers are most always very friendly with little attitude, save for 1 or 2
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teddys
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August 26th, 2013 at 8:41:31 PM permalink
Vegas is not the place to play craps anymore. 3x4x5x odds is the norm in the nicer places, and the 10x/20x places are all down-at-heel. Dealers are bitter for the most part. I'd play in the Midwest or down South. (Or even better, Colorado).
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August 26th, 2013 at 9:02:46 PM permalink
Quote: teddys

Vegas is not the place to play craps anymore. 3x4x5x odds is the norm in the nicer places, and the 10x/20x places are all down-at-heel. Dealers are bitter for the most part. I'd play in the Midwest or down South. (Or even better, Colorado).


You can say that again. And ironically, these are the same characters who b*tch the most about tips.
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August 26th, 2013 at 10:50:00 PM permalink
For me, craps is about the people. I think that people have the most fun playing craps when they are on vacation, playing with their disposal income, and drinking heavily. I've played in Vegas (strip, downtown, and Boulder strip), Atlantic City, Wheeling, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, and Illinois. My favorite by far is Las Vegas, specifically Casino Royale. The crowd is always pretty young, $3 craps 24/7 with great odds, and quick drink service, but the dealers are hit and miss. Also, I love the diversity of Vegas. You can play craps with people from all over the world. Atlantic City doesn't offer that kind of diversity, it always seems like it's 95% NJ, PA, and NY residents.

However, the best craps dealer and casino employee that I have ever seen is Christoper (maybe late 20's, thin guy with glasses) at the Atlantic Club in AC. I have no clue why he isn't at the Borgata.
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August 27th, 2013 at 3:45:15 AM permalink
Quote: deedubbs

Atlantic City doesn't offer that kind of diversity, it always seems like it's 95% NJ, PA, and NY residents.
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True, however, on the positive side, if a table gets hot there is no experience like the roar you will hear in AC. I'll never forget a roll at Caesars where they had to call for two fills, two. $10.usd bettors were winning thousands and thousands. Everything is tempered in Las Vegas as people are on vacation as you say.
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August 27th, 2013 at 3:56:50 AM permalink
Valley Forge in PA, while not AC, but close to Philly offers 10X Odds everyday. And the tables are almost always full with players.
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August 27th, 2013 at 7:18:02 AM permalink
Ive played craps just about everywhere , including Monte Carlo overseas. Craps is craps... However, the factors that are key contributors for me are energy and flow. You can find the type of game / tables you want in either AC or Vegas.. whether you like crowded tables and slow dice or open tables with fast action, you can find a place in either city... just need to go at the right times usually.

As far as the comment on black chips, etc... he should probably go to Wynn or Bellagio if he like to see and play with high action.
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August 27th, 2013 at 7:28:08 AM permalink
Quote: teddys

3x4x5x odds is the norm in the nicer places, and the 10x/20x places are all down-at-heel.



There are also plenty of places at 2x, and that's something you just don't see in other jurisdictions. It's obviously true that people can just choose not to play at those sub-par Vegas houses, but it's also true that this isn't a choice that a person has to make in AC.
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August 27th, 2013 at 10:23:02 AM permalink
Quote: ahiromu

AC is (universally?) 5x except for Bally's which is 10x


I played at Harrah's and Resorts AC on Sunday. I am too cheap to play full odds at most places, so maybe I wasn't paying full attention. Resorts definitely offered 5x, but I thought Harrah's had 10x.

I played no more than 2.5x at a $10 table.
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August 27th, 2013 at 8:22:23 PM permalink
I played at the $100 minimum table in the high limit room at my local casino the other day. Two shooters (me and the guy before me to establish my action). $100 line bet. Won one, lost two, and done :(
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August 28th, 2013 at 5:39:55 PM permalink
Vow, it was me who was banned from Ahigh website . I like the way the wizard outlines of what you can and can not say . Ahigh is a man of mystery , I must guess of what he thinks and if you wrong he cuts your head off .anyway , 90% of people think that it's impossible to influence the game of craps and tiny minority believes otherwise , Ahigh is among them . I brought my explanation to an ongoing dispute , which resulted in a carnage by the wild man . Stalin and Pol Pot got the replacement .
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August 28th, 2013 at 5:53:12 PM permalink
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it was me who was banned from Ahigh website...I brought my explanation to an ongoing dispute , which resulted in a carnage by the wild man . Stalin and Pol Pot got the replacement .



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August 28th, 2013 at 5:53:24 PM permalink
In AC you can get a little better than 5x odds if you bet in multiples of $15. The 4 & 10 are always a strict 5x max. With the 5 & 9 you can go to $100 odds with a $15 pass line bet. You can also go to $125 odds when the point is 6 or 8. Bet $30 on the pass line and you can double those odds ($200 on 5 & 9 and $250 on 6 & 8). At Ballys, 10x is a strict 10x.

How does 3x, 4x, 5x work in Vegas?
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August 28th, 2013 at 5:54:46 PM permalink
Quote: Dicenor33

Vow, it was me who was banned from Ahigh website . I like the way the wizard outlines of what you can and can not say . Ahigh is a man of mystery , I must guess of what he thinks and if you wrong he cuts your head off .anyway , 90% of people think that it's impossible to influence the game of craps and tiny minority believes otherwise , Ahigh is among them . I brought my explanation to an ongoing dispute , which resulted in a carnage by the wild man . Stalin and Pol Pot got the replacement .


The "Ahigh suspension" thread is full of stories like yours. He has made some wild accusations about many of us here.
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August 28th, 2013 at 6:53:34 PM permalink
Quote: NJchief

How does 3x, 4x, 5x work in Vegas?


3x odds on the 4 & 10
4x odds on the 5 & 9
5x odds on the 6 & 8

No rounding up (that I've ever seen).
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August 29th, 2013 at 1:56:52 AM permalink
Quote: thezone

Ive played craps just about everywhere , including Monte Carlo overseas. Craps is craps... However, the factors that are key contributors for me are energy and flow. You can find the type of game / tables you want in either AC or Vegas.. whether you like crowded tables and slow dice or open tables with fast action, you can find a place in either city... just need to go at the right times usually.

As far as the comment on black chips, etc... he should probably go to Wynn or Bellagio if he like to see and play with high action.



thezone - can you start a post on what's it like to play in the actual Monte Carlo?
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August 29th, 2013 at 6:51:18 AM permalink
I think I posted my comments about that experience when I posted my chip from there in the Casino Chip of the Day thread.
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