have odds been figured for this new craps bet?

you wager on rolling the other numbers before you roll a 7.

can bet:
lower half 2,3,4,5,6
upper half 8,9,10,11,12
or both 2,3,4,5,6,8,9,10,11,12 (pays 175 to 1)


My buddy told me last night he was there on thursday night and a guy hit the big one twice, (also had the other 2 coverd so got paid on each of those as well, not sure what he said pay out was) he had a $5 bet on all the bets.

is there a link someone can point me to? I semi looked for it, but didnt find anything.

thanks.

The odds for the bet can be found here:

https://wizardofodds.com/games/craps/appendix/5/

The Small bet wins if the shooter rolls a 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 before rolling a seven. The Tall bet wins if the shooter rolls an 8, 9, 10, 11, and 12 before rolling a seven. A win pays 34 to 1, or 35 for 1. The odds on both bets are the same as follows. The lower right cell shows a house edge of 7.76%.

The All bet wins if the shooter rolls a 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11, and 12 before rolling a seven. A win pays 174 to 1, or 175 for 1. The odds are as follows. The lower right cell shows a house edge of 7.99%.

Quote: RaleighCraps

The odds for the bet can be found here:

https://wizardofodds.com/games/craps/appendix/5/

The Small bet wins if the shooter rolls a 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 before rolling a seven. The Tall bet wins if the shooter rolls an 8, 9, 10, 11, and 12 before rolling a seven. A win pays 34 to 1, or 35 for 1. The odds on both bets are the same as follows. The lower right cell shows a house edge of 7.76%.

The All bet wins if the shooter rolls a 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11, and 12 before rolling a seven. A win pays 174 to 1, or 175 for 1. The odds are as follows. The lower right cell shows a house edge of 7.99%.

One last question on this. Do these bets work on the come out roll itself if the shooter makes the prior number established?

Question about this bet:

Do you mean before a 7-out? Or does a come out-7 kill the bet?

Quote: AlanMendelson

Question about this bet:

Do you mean before a 7-out? Or does a come out-7 kill the bet?

I grasp that a 7-out kills the bets. Question asking is does a 7-winner on the come out kill the bets or are they off on the come out?(unless called on?)

Quote: AlanMendelson

Question about this bet:

Do you mean before a 7-out? Or does a come out-7 kill the bet?

A Come out seven indeed kills the bet.

Quote: midwestgb

A Come out seven indeed kills the bet.

And this is what makes the bet incredibly expensive to play. Playing on a typical $10 table, a new shooter is Coming Out.
$10 Passline bet
$15 on the Small/Tall/All bet ($5 on each)
Shooter rolls a 7 winner. I win $10 Passline, and lose my $15 STA bet, so $15 back up on the bet, I am down $5 so far.
Shooter rolls a craps number. I lose $10 PL, but we have one of the harder numbers on the STA bet. I'm down $15 now.
Shooter rolls another craps. I lose another $10 PL, but now we have 2 of the harder numbers. I'm down $25 now.
Shooter still Coming Out and rolls 7 winner. Another $5 loss after putting the STA bet back up. Now down $30. (People not playing the STA bet are EVEN.)
Shooter sets a point, and 7s out on the next roll. $10 PL gone, and the $15 STA bet gone. $55 loss. And we have all seen this exact sequence happen way more often than we would like.

Or, and this is what happened to me, after I knocked my own STA bet off 3x while trying to get past my Come Out Roll, I decided not to put it back up. Of course I proceeded to shoot the small, and a bit later the Tall, for the All bet. 4 people on the table collected their $170 for the small, $170 for the Tall, and $875 for the all bet.
Some days it would feel better to just keep hitting my thumb with a hammer, then try and win at craps.

Increase your pass line bet to offset the comeout 7. Not rocket science.

The All bet is a great bet with a smallish house edge for the payout. Even All Small, All Tall aren't too bad.

so i played this about a week ago. I noticed one thing that the house did. They only took the craps bet during the comeout roll. If no one bet it it was off for til the next comeout roll.

I was thinking about this at the table and ever brought it up with management. If no one bets it on the comeout then at least one person should always be able to jump on the bet whenever they wanted (once one person has it bet then it closes - that is of course they have 2,3,4... different color markers for marking of the numbers)

It makes no difference if numbers are rolled, if no one has it bet then they dont keep track of the numbers anyway. I thought the house was losing money this way and should always offer the bet.

I got a good laugh out of one of the dealers, that was telling another dealer that this would even be better for the house, because if someone rolled a 12 or 2 then it would be less likely they would roll it again before the 7, thus increasing the house edge. i mini facepalmed...

Quote: nezbit

I got a good laugh out of one of the dealers, that was telling another dealer that this would even be better for the house, because if someone rolled a 12 or 2 then it would be less likely they would roll it again before the 7, thus increasing the house edge.

The idea was right, but the wording was wrong.

If somebody wanted to jump in after it started, it would mean that they gave the house an advantage by ignoring one of the necessary rolls. It doesn't matter WHAT number was rolled. The bettor is giving away opportunities to qualify for the win.

Quote: nezbit

so i played this about a week ago. I noticed one thing that the house did. They only took the craps bet during the comeout roll. If no one bet it it was off for til the next comeout roll.

I was thinking about this at the table and ever brought it up with management. If no one bets it on the comeout then at least one person should always be able to jump on the bet whenever they wanted (once one person has it bet then it closes - that is of course they have 2,3,4... different color markers for marking of the numbers)

It makes no difference if numbers are rolled, if no one has it bet then they dont keep track of the numbers anyway. I thought the house was losing money this way and should always offer the bet.

This is how they were playing it at the Bellagio on my last trip. If no one was betting it and someone walked up and wanted to put down on the feature bet in the middle of a roll, they let him if he was the first.

It was many years ago that I played the all, tall, small bet at Sam's Town. But I don't remember a come-out 7 as killing the bet. The bet after all was whether or not a shooter would throw all, or the tall, or the small numbers during his hand. And a come out seven between points did not kill his turn with the dice.

Can I get some clarification about how these bets are played now and at which casinos?

Quote: AcesAndEights

This is how they were playing it at the Bellagio on my last trip. If no one was betting it and someone walked up and wanted to put down on the feature bet in the middle of a roll, they let him if he was the first.

yeah i was shocked they didnt think of it. guess they are noobs

Quote: DJTeddyBear

The idea was right, but the wording was wrong.

If somebody wanted to jump in after it started, it would mean that they gave the house an advantage by ignoring one of the necessary rolls. It doesn't matter WHAT number was rolled. The bettor is giving away opportunities to qualify for the win.

i dont understand this. you cant make the bet if any of the numbers have hit.


the bet is always going to be the same no matter what has already been rolled...the dice have no memory.

Quote: AlanMendelson

It was many years ago that I played the all, tall, small bet at Sam's Town. But I don't remember a come-out 7 as killing the bet. The bet after all was whether or not a shooter would throw all, or the tall, or the small numbers during his hand. And a come out seven between points did not kill his turn with the dice.

Can I get some clarification about how these bets are played now and at which casinos?

That may have been the case at Sam's Town but if so, I believe they were following the wrong procedure. Which wouldn't be surprising since that was probably one of the first installs.

At Bellagio and WynnCore (only places I've seen the bet personally) a come-out 7 absolutely kills the bet, and the math analysis I've seen at WoO is based on that assumption.