DJTeddyBear
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June 9th, 2013 at 2:16:15 PM permalink
Quote: nezbit

I got a good laugh out of one of the dealers, that was telling another dealer that this would even be better for the house, because if someone rolled a 12 or 2 then it would be less likely they would roll it again before the 7, thus increasing the house edge.

The idea was right, but the wording was wrong.

If somebody wanted to jump in after it started, it would mean that they gave the house an advantage by ignoring one of the necessary rolls. It doesn't matter WHAT number was rolled. The bettor is giving away opportunities to qualify for the win.
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AcesAndEights
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June 9th, 2013 at 7:32:24 PM permalink
Quote: nezbit

so i played this about a week ago. I noticed one thing that the house did. They only took the craps bet during the comeout roll. If no one bet it it was off for til the next comeout roll.

I was thinking about this at the table and ever brought it up with management. If no one bets it on the comeout then at least one person should always be able to jump on the bet whenever they wanted (once one person has it bet then it closes - that is of course they have 2,3,4... different color markers for marking of the numbers)

It makes no difference if numbers are rolled, if no one has it bet then they dont keep track of the numbers anyway. I thought the house was losing money this way and should always offer the bet.


This is how they were playing it at the Bellagio on my last trip. If no one was betting it and someone walked up and wanted to put down on the feature bet in the middle of a roll, they let him if he was the first.
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AlanMendelson
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June 9th, 2013 at 9:56:45 PM permalink
It was many years ago that I played the all, tall, small bet at Sam's Town. But I don't remember a come-out 7 as killing the bet. The bet after all was whether or not a shooter would throw all, or the tall, or the small numbers during his hand. And a come out seven between points did not kill his turn with the dice.

Can I get some clarification about how these bets are played now and at which casinos?
nezbit
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June 9th, 2013 at 11:52:13 PM permalink
Quote: AcesAndEights

This is how they were playing it at the Bellagio on my last trip. If no one was betting it and someone walked up and wanted to put down on the feature bet in the middle of a roll, they let him if he was the first.




yeah i was shocked they didnt think of it. guess they are noobs
nezbit
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June 9th, 2013 at 11:54:51 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

The idea was right, but the wording was wrong.

If somebody wanted to jump in after it started, it would mean that they gave the house an advantage by ignoring one of the necessary rolls. It doesn't matter WHAT number was rolled. The bettor is giving away opportunities to qualify for the win.



i dont understand this. you cant make the bet if any of the numbers have hit.


the bet is always going to be the same no matter what has already been rolled...the dice have no memory.
AcesAndEights
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June 10th, 2013 at 11:11:17 AM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

It was many years ago that I played the all, tall, small bet at Sam's Town. But I don't remember a come-out 7 as killing the bet. The bet after all was whether or not a shooter would throw all, or the tall, or the small numbers during his hand. And a come out seven between points did not kill his turn with the dice.

Can I get some clarification about how these bets are played now and at which casinos?


That may have been the case at Sam's Town but if so, I believe they were following the wrong procedure. Which wouldn't be surprising since that was probably one of the first installs.

At Bellagio and WynnCore (only places I've seen the bet personally) a come-out 7 absolutely kills the bet, and the math analysis I've seen at WoO is based on that assumption.
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