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I am guessing we all know some lucky stiff who ALWAYS seems to win when they go gambling. Happiest gambler on earth!
Are they so positive and happy because they win, OR, do they win because they are positive and happy?
Have you ever been playing at a craps table that has been doing very well, and along comes a negative nancy? You know the kind. If they are winning, they are not winning enough. If they are pushing, it should have been a win, and if they are losing, the house is cheating them. It is hard to explain, but you can almost FEEL the energy and life being sucked out of the game. Pretty soon, here comes the losing. Was negative nancy, and all the negativity, at fault? Of course, the math purist says games are going to tip towards losing, so the mere fact that you were winning really has no bearing.
On my last trip I sat down with friends at a Pai Gow table. They asked how my craps session had been, and I proceeded to tell them about the beating I was taking. I then get a couple of bad hands dealt to me, and one decent hand that still lost. I stated that is about the way it is going for me. At this point an older oriental lady next to me let me have it! Basically said I would never win with such a negative attitude, and I lost because I was projecting a losing attitude. She said if I would become more positive she would share her good energy, or whatever the word was she used, with me. But, she said I could not say anything negative. Everything must be positive. So you know where this is headed. I actually had a winning session at Pai Gow. Not a big win, but a win.
Why did I not drag that lady to the craps table and make her play next to me?
What say all ye?
Quote: RaleighCrapsAt this point an older oriental lady next to me let me have it! Basically said I would never win with such a negative attitude, and I lost because I was projecting a losing attitude. She said if I would become more positive she would share her good energy, or whatever the word was she used, with me. But, she said I could not say anything negative. Everything must be positive. So you know where this is headed. I actually had a winning session at Pai Gow. Not a big win, but a win.
Why did I not drag that lady to the craps table and make her play next to me?
What say all ye?
1. I am in my thirties; please don't simply describe me as "older";
2. You must have caught me on an unusually talkative day;
3. Because I play Sic bo not Craps.
Seriously, I do feel like a "losing attitude" will result in exactly what you're asking for. I took a guy who'd never played table games before to the Baccarat room at the LV Hilton. He was telling me beforehand that he was expecting to lose, because the games are all rigged and the house always wins. I told him that you can't go to the tables thinking that way (probably gave him the exact lecture that RaleighCraps describes) and convinced him that you always have to go to the tables expecting to come out ahead. He did, by like five grand. Acted like a stunned child suddenly informed that he could have Christmas every day the whole way to the cage. His eyes were the size of dinner plates as his winnings ran through the Hilton's bill counter.
There are two kinds of people you meet at the Sic bo table: The exact "negative nancy" you described, and attractive younger women who keep the negative nancies playing. I have tried to convince the nancies a million times that Sic bo is a great game, and a lot of fun to play, and the only gambling game in the world where you can bet on what dice that have already been rolled say. Haven't had much luck, as yet. I still love Sic bo but I don't meet nearly as many fun people as I do playing Baccarat.
Quote: RaleighCrapsAlways borrow money from a pessimist; They don't expect to get paid back !
I like that.
Quote: RaleighCraps
What say all ye?
I say its superstitious bunk. Poeple who rely totally on luck
are always looking for reasons why they lose when the
variance changes. Its variance, there are no reasons. The
only thing you can do is study the game you play for years,
get to know it so well that there is nothing you don't understand
about it. Only then will you stop blaming losing on a black
crow flying overhead, or the witch in the woods putting a
spell on your cow so it stops giving milk.
WHAT !!!!
Quote: buzzpaff" Being a computer person, I tend not to believe in the positive/negative energy thing, but I have seen it work in organic situations. "
WHAT !!!!
What I mean by that is that I have never seen a persons energy affect a computer program where I have seen people's energy affect other people. As much as I don't want to believe in all that "new age" crap, I had an occasion to get some help from a Reike (sp?) practitioner and was very surprised to lose a toothache for 4 hours with no other medications.
I'm posititve about all that.
Now, if Dark Energy does exist and permeates the universe, then there's also "negative" energy in any casino. if not, then we need a better theory.
It's all in my signature line. Particularly the second part.
Does it help? Well, it sure won't hurt.
Quote: NareedNow, if Dark Energy does exist and permeates the universe, then there's also "negative" energy in any casino. if not, then we need a better theory.
So that's what that "dark side" betting in Craps is all about. Also Black in Roulette (or Trente et Quarante, if you can find it).
Quote: heatherSo that's what that "dark side" betting in Craps is all about. Also Black in Roulette (or Trente et Quarante, if you can find it).
Unfortunately it only works on dark matter spherical dice in a vaccum :(
Quote: s2dbakerMaybe there is 'energy' but until it's a quantifiable energy, it's not useful. You can't disprove something as ill defined as positive or negative energy so I picked the middle answer.
Change the question slightly and see what you think: is there positive and negative speed in the casino?
LONG post below on my last two days playing Craps and negative energy:
On Wednesday playing Craps, almost every single decision I made went wrong:
A) Play the Pass Line...7's are killing my bets day.
B) Play the Don't Pass Line....Points are hitting all day.
C) Play come bets with Odds, Come out 7's on the comeout roll are raining and killing all my established Come Bets all day. (This is a continuous issue for me)
D) Place Numbers...7's are killing me all day.
This is a common recurrence in almost all my Craps Sessions.
I ended up down $1,800 after playing for about 12 hours on $5/$10 minimum tables betting conservatively...my goal was to only buy in for $500 but I kept on chasing my losses and withdrawing and losing money. I made a little comeback later that night when I finally had 2 great rolls but was still down overall significantly for the day.
On Thursday, I was so paranoid about Wednesday's horror show that I let it affect my Craps play and missed out on the greatest money making opportunity in my life.
After 4 players consecutively 7'ed out to start the session..I was ready to give up playing permanently.
Then two players had Monster 45 minute Rolls BACK-TO-BACK. Both Players hit 6 Points each and one hit a 4 Point Fire Bet. I have been playing Craps for 12 years and that was the best consecutive run by Craps players that I have ever seen. The first player was hitting HardWays like they were going out of style. The second player hit 6's & 8's so many times that 2 players who started with $12 6's & 8's both had over $1,000 on both numbers and passive, silly me only built the 6's up to $42 and kept on regressing back to $6 when I saw "the signs of 7 coming" because I was becoming excessively paranoid and "knew" if I went past $42....the 7 will show. Lo and behold, I finally got the courage to push the "8" to $60...the very next roll was a SEVEN!
The whole table made a KILLING. Most players except me made between $1,000 - $3,000 on a $5 minimum table. A lady on the table literally bought in for $10 and left with $800. I only made about a profit of $700 during both rolls because I was so freaking paranoid about "7's coming" after I saw Dice kept on flying off the table...consecutive horns hitting, dealers switching, dealers passing the dice to the Craps players with 7's showing. All the bullcrap that usually preceeds 7's when I play was not working against these guys.
So I'm the negative dude mad that I didn't take advantage of the Monster Rolls and make more $$$. After both shooters 7'ed out, I was considering taking a lunch break but I decided to wait for one more shooter.
The next 5 shooters including yours truly 7'ed out within 2 rolls of establishing the Point so I figured the table had turned COLD, it was understandable because after Monster Rolls, my experience is that most Craps tables go COLD. Upset that I had not taken a break and let 5 shooters including myself depreciate my bankroll, I took a 30 minute lunch break. I came back from my lunch break and the shooter that had the dice before I decided to leave still had it and the guy next to me who was only betting $5 Pass Line 2x Odds, $6 6&8 on each shooter to start told me he made $1,100 while I was gone on my 30 minute lunch break. The shooter had made 6 Points (4 Firebet Points) in the 30 minutes that I was gone and was hitting 4's and 10's like they were going out of style. Everybody's racks were FULL!!! I was so upset that I was missing out on a 3rd HOT roll..I started hyperventilating and being negative...the very next roll was a SEVEN. OF COURSE!!! I show up...being negative and the hot run ends.
The rest of the day, the tables were COLD. Then a guy who was challenging me for my "Point Seven Out King" (PSO KING) title got the dice. I was not going to bet on him because he was so freaking useless all day but I still put $2 on the Firebet and waited a few rolls before I bet on him. He threw 3 consecutive 7's on the Comeout Roll and I commented "That's all he is good for, throwing 7's", Well, this guy hits NINE Points consecutively (4 Points Firebet making) and held the dice for almost an hour; I am on the table and even though I have decent money to play with...I am still betting PASSIVELY like a freaking Moron. The Casino has 100x Odds and I am betting $10 Pass Line, $20 - $30 Odds because I am SCARED that once I start betting more, he'll 7-out because that's what happens to me most of the time when I play. So on his last attempt, I push my odds to $60 and start praying...the very next roll....SEVEN! Ths shooter made over $3,000 on his roll, he started betting $10 Pass Line, minimal Odds but was pushing his Odds after each point made. He had over $600 in Odds when he finally 7'ed out.
Overall for the day...I "only" made about $1,000 for the day but after 3 GREAT Rolls not even counting the 30 Minute Great Roll that I missed during my stupid decision to take a lunch break at the worst time I should have made no less than $5,000 but my negativity did not allow myself to just play the freaking game and make money!!!
For my 2 day trip, I "only" lost about $300 however after being down $1,800...I should not complain but I should have made THOUSANDS if not for my negativity!!!
Additional Note:
I met a Craps player yesterday who was more negative than me. He was on the same scorching hot table that I was on but he was losing money before the last shooter hit the 9 points in a row. He was convinced that whatever decision he made would be wrong. I stood right next to him and he told me that he had made 15 consecutive bets without getting a single payout. (Place Bet, Come Bet, Pass Line, Dont Pass Line, etc) It was unbelievable! In an ironic twist, I decided to not stand next to him and find a new spot on the table because he was being too negative and started affecting my betting decisions. Talk about the Pot calling the Kettle Black!
Quote: CrapsForeverOn Wednesday playing Craps, almost every single decision I made went wrong:
A) Play the Pass Line...7's are killing my bets day.
B) Play the Don't Pass Line....Points are hitting all day.
C) Do come bets, Come out 7's are raining and killing my Come Bets all day
D) Place Numbers...7's are killing me all day.
I think you need to correct C, since come out 7s would be winners for your Come bets, but would be presumably killing your Pass Line bets.
Or do you mean, that 7s keep showing up and killing all of your established Come bets? Not Come out 7s, but just 7s in general
Quote: RaleighCrapsI think you need to correct C, since come out 7s would be winners for your Come bets, but would be presumably killing your Pass Line bets.
Or do you mean, that 7s keep showing up and killing all of your established Come bets? Not Come out 7s, but just 7s in general
I am specifically referring to 7's keep showing up and killing all of my established Come Bets before the Point is established. Yesterday, the player who hit the 9 consecutive Points threw 7's on almost all of his comeout rolls before establishing the Point. I lost about $300 on Come Bets that came down on a comeout roll 7 before the Point was established (Table was $10 minimum).
Though, I hate making Come Bets, I started a Come Bet when he first started throwing his Monster session and was so convinced that once I stopped making Come Bets because he was throwing the dice in my direction, he would immediately 7-out.
Man, I truly need a Craps Therapist!
So do I believe in positive energy and luck? Most definitely!
Do I REALLY believe in positive energy and luck beating the odds? Not really, but one can always hope.
Do you notice a correlation of a "Darksider" coming over to a "HOT" Table and immediately cooling it off?
Quote: CrapsForeverRaleighCraps/Other Posters,
Do you notice a correlation of a "Darksider" coming over to a "HOT" Table and immediately cooling it off?

I'm not saying there's any rhyme or reason to any of it, but I sure see it a lot.
I don't know... wasn't she a Dragon Lady?Quote: RaleighCrapsWhy did I not drag that lady to the craps table and make her play next to me?
I have only played 3 sessions with him but as he moved from table to table, it seemed like a MONSTER roll happened immediately. Regardless of him shooting the Dice or not, he has some kind of "Reverse Cooler" effect with his Positive energy. Alas, his positive energy did not work on my shooting but he "forced" me to make some power presses while betting on a shooter a few weeks back and I made A LOT of money in a couple of rolls.
The Power of Positive Energy is amazing!
Quote: buzzpaffAnd what exactly is the speed of DARK ?
Zero.
Also Dark is the driving force behind black holes, able to swallow Stars.
Quote: CrapsForeverRaleighCraps/Other Posters,
Do you notice a correlation of a "Darksider" coming over to a "HOT" Table and immediately cooling it off?
I admit I will get a bit annoyed when a table of right way is on a good run, and suddenly up walks new money and goes straight for the DC. But, unless the guy is a total ass, I will just have an internal conversation that says thinking this will have any effect is irrational. Personally, I think it is a strange strategy. Take a table that has been on a roll, and come in and go contrary right off the bat?
But, it does change the vibe a bit, and the energy does seem to drain some. But I have also seen it when the good times just keep rolling, and the darksider gets crushed, which you hate to see anyone lose their money, but if anyone deserved it, it would be this guy. I say guy, because I don't think I have ever seen a gal come into a game and play the DC. I've played with a few gals who were playing the darkside, but I've never seen one charge into a good table and plop down DC bets.
I was borderline convinced that a casino in Nassau, Bahamas was using shills in their craps game a few years back. Over the course of 4 days every time a table started rolling numbers, and we had our bets pressed up, the same one or two guys would show up and make these weird place bet amounts. Every time it resulted in an argument over the payout, and within 5 minutes time, the streak was over and the table was back to PSO. Even now, as I recall that, it still seems too coincidental that the SAME guys would roll into a hot table, always making stupid place bet amounts.............. They were certainly efficient at sucking off the overwhelming positive vibes that were on the table at the time.
Another side of the coin is when a Darksider throws the Dice "shooting from the Don'ts hoping he won't". For some strange reason I feel Darksiders that shoot from the Don't usually "shoot themselves in the foot" and make a lot of points. I played with this Darkside player at Caesars in Atlantic City earlier this year, he must have been down about $6,000, he kept on hitting points and would not stop betting the Don'ts. I was on the same table and he hit a 4 Point Firebet for me shooting from the Don'ts.
Personally I was having another typical PSO filled day shooting the Dice at Bethlehem Sands late 2010,and everybody told me to shoot from the Don'ts. Well, lo and behold..I started shooting from the Don'ts and hit 8 Points in a row (My Career High). I was putting $10 on the Don't Pass Line and Placing the Point for about $50 so I made decent money.
Things that happen on a Craps table never make any sense!
Hey, sounds just like me!Quote: RaleighCraps
I am guessing we all know some lucky stiff who ALWAYS seems to win when they go gambling. Happiest gambler on earth!
Are they so positive and happy because they win, OR, do they win because they are positive and happy?
No reason to ever NOT be seen as positive and happy all the time.
Sounds like the classic Beta Males:"They have extremely low levels of testosterone and are also ruled by dominance and submission (they are on the submissive end of the continuum). They complain a lot, rarely get things done, and have a tendency towards passive-aggressive behaviour."Quote: RaleighCrapsHave you ever been playing at a craps table that has been doing very well, and along comes a negative nancy?
You know the kind.
If they are winning, they are not winning enough. If they are pushing, it should have been a win, and if they are losing, the house is cheating them. It is hard to explain, but you can almost FEEL the energy and life being sucked out of the game. Pretty soon, here comes the losing. Was negative nancy, and all the negativity, at fault? Of course, the math purist says games are going to tip towards losing, so the mere fact that you were winning really has no bearing.
If Beta Males (or even the Alpha Males) get under your skin, means you are one too.
Need to look closer into the mirror.
Women know!Quote: RaleighCrapsBasically said I would never win with such a negative attitude, and I lost because I was projecting a losing attitude. She said if I would become more positive she would share her good energy, or whatever the word was she used, with me. But, she said I could not say anything negative. Everything must be positive. So you know where this is headed. I actually had a winning session at Pai Gow. Not a big win, but a win.
Why did I not drag that lady to the craps table and make her play next to me?
What say all ye?
They LOVE the
Gamma Males:"Gamma males sit in the middle of the continuum, and as such, are the best of both worlds. Their judgment and behaviour are not over powered by their testosterone, and they are able to self-regulate."
Feels GREAT to be a GMale!
Just stop being a Beta and move up to being a Gamma!
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Quote: MonkeyMonkeyI'm not a believer in superstitions and such but it is certainly uncanny how a guy that's in a good mood and cheering for others cards to get "painted up", etc wins a lot. And the guy that keeps on complaining about his crappy hands when he's only got a 2 and hasn't even seen my 6 or his next card which is a 9, loses a lot.
Same guy during different outcomes.
Quote: QuadDeucesSame guy during different outcomes.
Possible, but I think unlikely. The negative guy usually walks in that way, and the positive guy leaves that way even if he doesn't win. I've occasionally seen an upbeat guy go south when his luck turns but I think the amount of alcohol consumed played a big role, both in the up and down phase.
In this particular case, positive energy, I would be an interested observer but would not start pressing my bets when I was wondering if it was kicking in. This because I am determined not to press bets but always to stay to flat betting, with the notion that betting more due to hunches is bowing to a fallacy. And i wouldn't start making big center table bets that I generally don't allow myself.
If I thought I was at a hot table for right bettors, I might increase my come bet frequency to see if I can get a number of numbers up, or even better have to keep replacing the winning ones, and I might be paying attention to positive energy, who knows? But I have predetermined to allow myself this behavior once in a while before I go to the casino, so it is a matter of when to play that way for a while. If it is more fun to do this to follow a superstition, fine, I see no harm in it.
So my thesis is this, based on facts that have occurred in the past, when these events (listed above) occur, I start to panick as a Shooter because I know based on my past history; I almost always throw a 7 immediately during these situations so I call my bets "OFF", Hop 7's, etc. Somehow I allow these events to make me start thinking negatively which somehow makes me "believe" that I am going to throw a 7 so it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. I know people try to claim "selective memory" but I usually only touch the Dice 2-3 times a session so it's very easy to keep track of my sessions.
The real question is what can I do to completely ignore these "events" and not think negatively? In my last Craps sessions, I was speaking to a few fellow Craps addicts like myself and they were all harping that I take the game too seriously and beat myself up too much when I 7-out. This is a common theme that occurs in almost every Craps session.
The Positive energy makes a difference in Craps. I can not explain it...the same way I can not explain my PSO King moniker but it makes a difference. Negative energy which I am gulity of feeds upon itself and sucks the life off a good craps table. It's not coincidence that on 3 separate occasions in my last two craps sessions when I left the table huffing and puffing after a quick 7-out on a Craps table, the next shooter immediately want on a Hot Roll which only dissipated when I returned.
I think Positive energy also helps explain "The Virgin shooter" myth which is not a myth. It's not 100% but most Virgin shooters that I have played with including my first time have not been hardened by the cruel ways of a Craps table and are light and aloof when shooting the Dice leading to Monster Rolls the very first time they shoot. I think women are also like this (Positive Thinking) on a Craps table and usually (in my experience) have decent rolls consistently.
The Power of Positive Energy is a Fact in all aspects of life including Craps! We should all try to think Positively and make $$$$$.
P.S. If anyone knows a Craps Therapist, please forward me their contact info. I need to be "brainwashed" to get rid of all my mental hangups on the Craps table...
Quote: odiousgambitJust generally speaking, I don't think superstitions... and such 'energy existence' would be a superstition in my book... hurt anything if it allows you to enjoy your play.
This was at the heart of the matter. I don't believe there is any power behind superstitions. However, I'm not so sure that I would classify positive energy as a superstition. I think they could be two different things. I am starting to think that some people have an aura, energy, or Feng Shui about them that does, in fact, allow for them to have better outcomes. It may not be anything that we can see or measure, but it may still exist.
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