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AZDuffman
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July 17th, 2015 at 6:11:39 PM permalink
Satellites: Earth Is Nearly In Its 21st Year Without Global Warming

Well, are you believers going to listen to the data? Data, not models.
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AZDuffman
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July 21st, 2015 at 7:57:35 AM permalink
Arctic ice 'grew by a third' after cool summer in 2013.

Wait a minute? I thought "the scientists" said it would be melted soon?
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EvenBob
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July 21st, 2015 at 12:59:51 PM permalink
Not only that, but:

(CNN)Scientists have made a discovery about the sun's "heartbeat" that they say indicates that Earth's Northern Hemisphere could experience a deep freeze in 15 years. http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/13/world/sun-irregular-heartbeat-ice/index.html

And the pope is out there begging nations to
give money to stop GW.
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PBguy
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July 29th, 2015 at 3:29:30 PM permalink
One of the things that amazes me about alarmists in general and specifically the ones in the media is the hyperbole. Here's one example: a headline that claims "2015 is shaping up to be a scorcher". Do you consider 59°F to be a "scorcher"? I certainly don't. Yet that's what the average global temperature is shaping up to be this year (give or take a few tenths). The same article also says we're "Halfway to Hell", meaning the global temperature is now ~1°C above the preindustrial global average temperature and half way to the stated goal of keeping global warming to a maximum of 2°C to "prevent dangerous anthropogenic interference with the climate system." (IPCC)

So how then is 1°C half way to hell???

Absolutely silly yet the uninformed eat it up.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22730324-200-earth-now-halfway-to-un-global-warming-limit/
cmc0605
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July 29th, 2015 at 5:13:10 PM permalink
...none of the above arguments are worth very much. The fact is we live in a world governed by physics, and the physics says CO2 is going to increase global temperature. That is observed, and it is not true we've gone over two decades with
no warming, or that a "little ice age" is on the way. These are talking points, not physics.
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July 29th, 2015 at 7:04:50 PM permalink
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Quote: AZDuffman

I agree!

SEATTLE (AP) - President Barack Obama says a wildfire that has burned nearly 400 square miles in the north-central part of Washington state, along with blazes in other Western areas, can be attributed to climate change.



Here is the actual quote
"A lot of it has to do with drought, a lot of it has to do with changing precipitation patterns and a lot of that has to do with climate change"

I admit its partially wrong.
Drought, ok
changing precipitation patterns ok
Climate change maybe



The thing is this, precipitation patterns have ALWAYS been changing. In the late 1800s many believed "rain follows the plow" as to farming in the great plains. They were "right" because that area saw years of good precipitation. Until the Dust Bowl.

When you read the quote, you need to understand what is being communicated. As we all know, Obama is incapable of talking off a teleprompter. The quote was massaged so as not to directly say "GLOBAL WARMING!" To use the liberal's famous term, it is a "dog whistle" to the enviro left.

Obama one year said he was "concerned" about spring coming early. Now, anyone over the age of 20 who lived in the north knows sometimes spring comes early and sometimes not. We base Groundhog Day around it. But again, he puts out the whistle.

As to Graham, cute quote. It, however, is not "believing" the scientists who are so-called deniers. It is that once you turn 30 and even more 40 you are not as taken in by fads. You think back to the global-cooling talk and say, "I've seen this movie before. The butler did it."



Whether you agree with President Obama or not, he doesn't need any help communicating what he means. You're reading a whole lot into his statements that didn't get said, and it appears more like spin of pretty straightforward statements from your POV than discussing the actual situation. For that matter, Lindsay Graham spoke pretty bluntly as well. It is what it is.
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PBguy
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July 29th, 2015 at 7:31:53 PM permalink
Quote: cmc0605

...none of the above arguments are worth very much. The fact is we live in a world governed by physics, and the physics says CO2 is going to increase global temperature. That is observed, and it is not true we've gone over two decades with
no warming, or that a "little ice age" is on the way. These are talking points, not physics.



Yes but physics don't tell us how much the earth will warm for a given increase in CO2. If it did then we wouldn't need 20+ models that give various results. The question of "How much warming?" is still open for debate. The question of how much warming is beneficial - something you very rarely hear discussed - is also open for debate. Yet some people want to stifle debate.
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July 30th, 2015 at 1:23:41 PM permalink
There's a new paper in Geophysical Research Letters that attempts to explain and minimize the difference between climate models and reality. Over the last 15 years the earth has failed to cooperate and warm as forecast by the models. This, of course, is not acceptable. So climate scientists had to come up with an excuse. This is the latest excuse. Turns out the models weren't predicting the right thing.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2015GL064888/full
HowMany
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July 30th, 2015 at 2:33:22 PM permalink
If liberal politicians really cared about future generations, they would do something about the national debt-

$18,326,248,796,324
bobsims
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July 31st, 2015 at 8:20:53 AM permalink
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If liberal politicians really cared about future generations, they would do something about the national debt-

$18,326,248,796,324



Oh don't you know crackhead Nobama HAS done "something about the national debt".
8 trillion somethings...

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