JerryLogan
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December 21st, 2010 at 10:12:45 PM permalink
Quote: avargov

This is possibly the most absurd and idiotic statement I have read on this board.



I'm not going to spend time looking up this one, but Bill O'Reilly has mentioned that "in passing" several times, and he only deals in facts.
thecesspit
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December 21st, 2010 at 10:15:28 PM permalink
Quote: JerryLogan

I'm not going to spend time looking up this one, but Bill O'Reilly has mentioned that "in passing" several times, and he only deals in facts.



Now -that- is the most absurd and idiotic statement I've seen today.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
JerryLogan
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December 21st, 2010 at 10:18:04 PM permalink
Quote: thecesspit

Now -that- is the most absurd and idiotic statement I've seen today.



Yeah, mention of Rob Singer and Bill O'Reilly usually do rile up liberals and outsiders.
mkl654321
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December 21st, 2010 at 11:30:25 PM permalink
Quote: avargov

This is possibly the most absurd and idiotic statement I have read on this board.



You haven't read much Jerry, have you? That one is only in his top ten.
The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality.---George Bernard Shaw
petro
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December 22nd, 2010 at 2:20:11 AM permalink
I see there are a few pro-war people here. Anti-war is generally accepted and not frowned upon as much as it was in the past.
Surely, there must be a few people here that are also anti-war? I can't be the only one.

As for some of the comments here; all war is bad imo because innocent people are always killed. The bombs and bullets are just not accurate enough.
I feel that it goes un-noticed because the people watching this from the television or reading about it in the newspapers are not the ones losing their families or having their legs blown off. If they were I am sure they would see the light.
But this topic has turned from a "what to do when you disagree with what taxes are spent upon?" to "is war right or wrong?" I would prefer to look at it from the tax aspect. I would imagine that there would be a few anti-abortionists who would have faced the problem of paying taxes to fund what they oppose. I recall a story about a man who packed up his belongings and moved to another state to avoid paying for abortions stating; "I've been protesting against abortion now for 20 years and I am not about to start paying for it."

Unrelated note:
Yeah, Rob Singer, I just discovered him. Bound to be a few people out there who see a kind of 'magic' in vp. Glad to see they all haven't died out.
DeMango
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December 22nd, 2010 at 2:51:56 AM permalink
You and your kind never ever answer the real question. When we, as a country, are faced with a Pearl Harbor or a 9/11, what do you suggest we do? Learn to speak Japanese, Arabic? Surrender, is that what you would have us do??? There is no third option, it is surrender or fight.
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rxwine
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December 22nd, 2010 at 2:52:38 AM permalink
Quote: petro

But this topic has turned from a "what to do when you disagree with what taxes are spent upon?" to "is war right or wrong?" I would prefer to look at it from the tax aspect.



Everyone, ... I mean EVERYONE who pays taxes is paying for something somewhere, they don't want or don't or won't use.

And in some cases, like yours, something they are passionately against.

So, no one is special in that regard. We're in the same boat.

And that's all I got.
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timberjim
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December 22nd, 2010 at 3:07:23 AM permalink
I am not pro-war, but realistic. In very simple terms, "There are bad people and good people must do something about them". In your world Hitler or Stalin would have taken over Europe. Which would you have preferred?

This opinion is one from someone who has had their immediate family in the line of fire. I was never more worried, nor as proud, as having my children serving multiple tours.

Lets hear how you would handle the threats in the real world without the military.
weaselman
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December 22nd, 2010 at 4:45:00 AM permalink
Just move to Aruba. Problem solved.

Seriously, with views like yours, why are you still here, helping to commit those heinous crimes?
You are right that finding a country that doesn't have an army at all may be a difficult task (I think, that difficulty should actually tell you something about your position by itself), but there are plenty of countries out there that do have an army, but do not use it to "commit crimes", and in all likelihood never will. Why don't you settle for that?
If Aruba is too hot for you, how about Lithuania or Kazakhstan or Cameroon? There are plenty of places in the world, that should be more comfortable for a person of your strict views, so, why are you still here?

I think, moving out of here is a better choice for you than going to prison - you won't have to give up everything, and other citizens won't have to pay for your food and shelter for the rest of your life, it's a win-win :)

As to the general question you asked - "what to do when you disagree with what taxes are spent upon?"
I am pretty sure, you know the answer to that - you make sure your senators and representatives know your position, and you vote for those candidates, who support it. This is how the political system works in this country. Like it is the case with the military, there are other possibilities. In places like Belarus or North Korea, for example, you don't have to rely on the opinions and expertise on some unknown people making the decisions - there is the Supreme Leader, who will always tell what to do. In Jamaica on the other hand, everyone is stoned, so you can just do whatever you want, and nobody will care. Etc. Again, there is a bunch of choices here for you.
And then again, there is always the old good, trusted way of changing political systems - you can stage a revolution or a coup, and set up the new system any way you like. Do you have something particular in mind?
"When two people always agree one of them is unnecessary"
EnvyBonus
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December 22nd, 2010 at 7:48:22 PM permalink
About half of American households pay no income tax, so if it makes you feel any better, only half of American households are "getaway drivers".

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