Palazzo 7-5 blackjack rumor.
Quote: WizardSomebody sent me an Email saying that effective yesterday the Palazzo is paying 7-5 on blackjack for bets under $100. Can anyone confirm or deny? What about the Venetian?
Wow. What a joke if true.
Beginning today, shoe blackjack at the V and P will be 6/5, unless in the high limit room at $200 min. Doubledeck pitch will remain the same.
Pretty sad that one of the premiere properties is doing this. First stupid side bets on all the games, now this.
Several conformations there also !
Well we're busy as ever on a Tuesday morning. Even got a dude betting 2500 a hand on a 6/5 game. Must be so ****in nice to be the house.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/108/las-vegas-lifestyle/venetian-palazzo-blackjack-1426621/
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only places left on the Strip with no 6-5 blackjack are the Aria and Bellagio.
Quote: WizardTrust me, it was only a matter of time. At least it didn't happen under my watch, and I fought against it tooth and nail.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only places left on the Strip with no 6-5 blackjack are the Aria and Bellagio.
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Quote: BuzzardVenetian/Palazzo blackjack
Beginning today, shoe blackjack at the V and P will be 6/5, unless in the high limit room at $200 min. Doubledeck pitch will remain the same.
Pretty sad that one of the premiere properties is doing this. First stupid side bets on all the games, now this.
Several conformations there also !
The Venetian has always been one of the worst places in Vegas to gamble. Remember who came in last place (not including the airport) in the Wizard's slot machine survey?
I thought you were talking about an upgrade from 6:5.
While not as good as 3:2, 7:5 is a LOT better than 6:5. Mark my words, sooner or later, somebody is gonna change 6:5 to 7:5 and advertise it as "New & Improved".
Quote: PokeraddictI am writing up this story for another site and can confirm that Venetian/Palazzo shoe blackjack games on the floor are now 6-5. A dealer confirmed that it started yesterday. They had a $25 DD at Palazzo that was 3-2 and 3 in the Asian pit with $50 min. Venetian had DD starting at $50 that paid 3-2.
The second part of the rumor was that shoes were being replaced by CSMs. Did that also happen?
Quote: DJTeddyBearDamn. 7:5 is a typo?
I thought you were talking about an upgrade from 6:5.
While not as good as 3:2, 7:5 is a LOT better than 6:5. Mark my words, sooner or later, somebody is gonna change 6:5 to 7:5 and advertise it as "New & Improved".
More likely " Even Money = Even Better "
Quote: BuzzardMore likely " Even Money = Even Better "
Buzz, put that union background of yours to good use and organize a protest outside of Venetian. Just say no to 6:5!
I could shamelessly plug another BJ variant offering with a 0.42% HE, but I'll be good :-).
And as my source at the Venetian once told me " "Tell Mike it was only business. I always liked him."
Quote: ParadigmTime to learn Spanish 21 @ 0.42% (or 0.72% if re-doubling not allowed). I thought I saw it at Venetian when I was there in November.
I could shamelessly plug another BJ variant offering with a 0.42% HE, but I'll be good :-).
It's better to be LUCKY, rather than good !
Quote: ParadigmTime to learn Spanish 21 @ 0.42% (or 0.72% if re-doubling not allowed). I thought I saw it at Venetian when I was there in November.
I could shamelessly plug another BJ variant offering with a 0.42% HE, but I'll be good :-).
I enjoy Spanish 21 much better than Blackjack.
21's always pay!
Quote: ParadigmTime to learn Spanish 21 @ 0.42% (or 0.72% if re-doubling not allowed). I thought I saw it at Venetian when I was there in November.
I could shamelessly plug another BJ variant offering with a 0.42% HE, but I'll be good :-).
By all means plug it, especially with that HE. If you get suspended I'll do the time for you.
Seriously, I would be putting plugs and links right in my signature if I had a game in the running. Good luck!
Quote: BuzzardIt gets worse. This from a dealer at Palazzo :
Well we're busy as ever on a Tuesday morning. Even got a dude betting 2500 a hand on a 6/5 game. Must be so ****in nice to be the house.
can someone help me out here? what type of person does that? i mean you're going broke pretty fast no matter how much money you have if you keep that up.
Quote: ParadigmTime to learn Spanish 21 @ 0.42% (or 0.72% if re-doubling not allowed). I thought I saw it at Venetian when I was there in November.
Yeah, SP21 is not common in Vegas but can be found at Venetian and, I believe, Palazzo. Not sure where else you can find it!
Free Bet Blackjack (which may have been what replaced S21) was still paying 3-2, as were the Dealers Angels machines and double deck.
Some observations from last night:
- Idle dealer at $25 min 3-2 DD at Palazzo while 6-5 $25 min shoe game next to it is full
- Dealers Angel machine with 3-2, surrender and S17 was idle next to $15 6-5 games
- All Free Bet tables were full or mostly full
Free Bet did go in there since then (way to go Switch!!), maybe it took out Spanish as indicated. Free Bet is another variant that has better HE than 6:5 BJ.
1BB, see Mulligan 21 thread in Game Inventor's Corner......I don't want to derail this thread. If Venetian doesn't have Spanish 21 anymore, you will have to travel to WA to play it or Mulligan at present.
Quote: BuzzardHey, I predicted from day 1 that any boycott would fail.
And as my source at the Venetian once told me " "Tell Mike it was only business. I always liked him."
The funny thing is, in other markets, I see competition causing 6:5 to fail and places being forced to move back to 3:2. And the locals are no savvier than the Vegas tourists, so I'm not sure why this is not happening in Vegas.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceThe funny thing is, in other markets, I see competition causing 6:5 to fail and places being forced to move back to 3:2. And the locals are no savvier than the Vegas tourists, so I'm not sure why this is not happening in Vegas.
If I am a competitor on the Strip I am using this to my advantage. For example, I don't think TI has any 6-5 games except for a table or two if single deck. Wynn and Encore don't either. These two properties need to make market that and educate their players why they have better games. Even the Caesars properties all have some 3-2 games in the $15 min range except O'Sheas.
Not that it will work for sure, we saw Riv roll out 3-2 SD, 1000x craps and single zero roulette and give that up because it didn't improve gaming enough.
Quote: PokeraddictIf I am a competitor on the Strip I am using this to my advantage. For example, I don't think TI has any 6-5 games except for a table or two if single deck. Wynn and Encore don't either. These two properties need to make market that and educate their players why they have better games.
I could have sworn the last time I walked through the Wyncore there were a bunch of 6-5 games. That was almost 2 years ago, though.
Quote: PokeraddictIf I am a competitor on the Strip I am using this to my advantage. For example, I don't think TI has any 6-5 games except for a table or two if single deck. Wynn and Encore don't either.
Wynn has at least a 6:5 double deck game that I saw on my trip last week right beside the 3:2 table I was playing at. When I first got there I asked if the table was 6:5 or 3:2 since it wasn't on the felt and an older gentleman who was already at the table exclaimed, "I wouldn't be playing here if it was 6:5. They don' t have that here at the Wynn do they?" I pointed him next door and he missed the next hand checking it out.
I think there are more 6:5 tables at the front of the casino too that open up in the evening.
--helpmespock
Quote: PokeraddictWynn and Encore don't either.
I know for sure Wynn and Encore have lots. This fact played a significant role in a very big argument I had with somebody recently over sharing wins and losses on a 3-2 table with a higher minimum then the 6-5 tables.
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Quote: WizardI know for sure Wynn and Encore have lots. This fact played a significant role in a very big argument I had with somebody recently over sharing wins and losses on a 3-2 table with a higher minimum then the 6-5 tables.
Boy, that sounds like a JUICEE story. I bet !
Quote: BuzzardYou will be safe at $100 tables for another 10 years at least. More than enough time for you to learn to actually COUNT ! ! !
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Quote: BuzzardYou will be safe at $100 tables for another 10 years at least. More than enough time for you to learn to actually COUNT ! ! !
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Bad enough BoB will be grinning ear to ear and saying " I TOLD YOU SO " !
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Bad enough BoB will be grinning ear to ear and saying " I TOLD YOU SO " !
I meant hated in the nicest of all ways
Quote: WizardTrust me, it was only a matter of time. At least it didn't happen under my watch, and I fought against it tooth and nail.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only places left on the Strip with no 6-5 blackjack are the Aria and Bellagio.
Any chance you can explain why you fought against it so much? I understand from the player standpoint, but did you think the casino would lose small players over this? As much as we dislike it, I believe it has been proven that tourists just don't care and a few pretty women and they would still play if BJ paid 4/5. They just don't care.
I just am interested in the defense of staying at 3/2 side.
Next month will be 10 years since that article.
You can't blame the casinos for removing the classic 3:2 single-deck games. The house edge is low, and the game is extremely easy for card counters to beat for low stakes (assuming they get away with it). The fact that they are using only a single 52-card deck also means the dealer spends as much time shuffling as dealing, resulting in further loss of casino profit.
Quote: IbeatyouracesSaw a guy get a blackjack on 6:5 SD game recently with a $100 bet. He got paid his $120 then proceeded to tip the dealer $5 of it. Might as well be even money.
Might as well be 23/20 :)
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Thanks Babs - I was using "hated" in a lovable way :)
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Quote: AcesAndEightsI could have sworn the last time I walked through the Wyncore there were a bunch of 6-5 games. That was almost 2 years ago, though.
In Dec 2013 the only 6-5 games I found at Wynn or Encore were single deck.
Quote: BozAny chance you can explain why you fought against it so much? I understand from the player standpoint, but did you think the casino would lose small players over this? As much as we dislike it, I believe it has been proven that tourists just don't care and a few pretty women and they would still play if BJ paid 4/5. They just don't care.
I just am interested in the defense of staying at 3/2 side.
I thought it was classy to offer decent rules and the Venetian was supposed to be a classy place. Also, I find it insulting that casinos that do have 6-5 don't give you anything good in return. For example, the 6-5 single-deck game at the Circus Circus lets you double on 10 and 11 only. Okay, I get get 6-5 in single-deck, but it is just offensive to restrict doubling to 10 and 11 if you're already shortchanging the player on blackjacks. In other words, it adds insult to injury.
The point made to me many times is that the Venetian is supposed to a "hotel with a casino, not a casino with a hotel." That said, suppose you have a hotel guest there who only wants to play blackjack but is uncomfortable with the $15 minimums, which they tend to be when its busy. Wouldn't it be reasonable to offer a low-limit 6-5 game to such a player? That is a reasonable argument. However, casinos that have 6-5 generally don't put them much lower than 3-2. I would also note that for players uncomfortable with the minimums in any table game there is no shortage of electronic dealer games these days.
