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July 19th, 2021 at 9:25:47 PM permalink
One of the things my site covers is the the size of each casino's gaming space.

News reports say that Circa's gaming space is only 7000 square feet, which is unbelievably small. Given that they have 1350 machines and 55 table games, that suggests a gaming floor size of 50,000 sf, comparable to the other downtown casinos.

Other sites like the World Casino Directory seem to be just uncritically regurgitating the 7000 square foot figure. (Am I the only casino journalist who doesn't just copy and paste unbelievable figures?)

Circa's own press release puts it at 8002, also unbelievably small. The property is too new to be listed on the Gaming Commission's square footage reports.

I haven't been to the property, but given the footprint of the building, and the fact that the casino is on two different levels, the photos I've seen, and that everything else about the property screams Big and Impressive, I find it hard to believe that their casino would really be a tiny 7000sf.

What do you all think?
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July 19th, 2021 at 9:44:53 PM permalink
This image: https://images.app.goo.gl/vb8awtoSKgiunm9d8

Suggests there is far more space used for slots.
The casino web site pic of the high limits slots area suggests the same.
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July 19th, 2021 at 9:56:19 PM permalink
If you crammed 1000 slot machines next to each other and plopped a chair in front of each one, I figure that would be about 7800 square feet.
That's with the chair pushed right up against the standard 18" x 28" slot machine pedestal base, no room for player's legs.

8002 square meters sounds plausible.
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July 20th, 2021 at 3:14:57 AM permalink
Quote: Dieter

If you crammed 1000 slot machines next to each other and plopped a chair in front of each one, I figure that would be about 7800 square feet.
That's with the chair pushed right up against the standard 18" x 28" slot machine pedestal base, no room for player's legs.

8002 square meters sounds plausible.

I was gonna say, “Don’t you mean ‘NOT plausible’?” 🤪

Then I saw you switched from square feet to square meters. 😁

Yeah. THAT sounds plausible! 👍
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July 20th, 2021 at 3:17:59 AM permalink
Quote: MichaelBluejay

One of the things my site covers is the the size of each casino's gaming space.

News reports say that Circa's gaming space is only 7000 square feet, which is unbelievably small. Given that they have 1350 machines and 55 table games, that suggests a gaming floor size of 50,000 sf, comparable to the other downtown casinos.

Other sites like the World Casino Directory seem to be just uncritically regurgitating the 7000 square foot figure. (Am I the only casino journalist who doesn't just copy and paste unbelievable figures?)

Circa's own press release puts it at 8002, also unbelievably small. The property is too new to be listed on the Gaming Commission's square footage reports.

I haven't been to the property, but given the footprint of the building, and the fact that the casino is on two different levels, the photos I've seen, and that everything else about the property screams Big and Impressive, I find it hard to believe that their casino would really be a tiny 7000sf.

What do you all think?



I think I’d never call myself a, “Casino journalist,” but you own your site, are the sole writer and have been doing this a lot longer than me, so you’ve probably earned, “Journalist.”

We are changing the world by reporting on, perhaps, things more important than being done by any other journalists in the world right now.

That said, I don’t copy and paste slot and table game counts. SOMETIMES, I will make a non-zero effort on square footage, but only if the numbers I’m finding are objectively ridiculous. Usually, I’ll see if it’s listed on any .gov at that point, and if not, I’ll just leave ir out.

Who cares, anyway? What denomination is square footage? What is the minimum bet on square footage?

Casino FLOOR size is really about slot and table count. In theory, a casino could have only one machine every 1,000 square feet if it wanted.

A journalist would probably only journal places that he’s physically been to, but again, I’m not a journalist. I’m a writer, and a, ‘Just OK,’ one, at best.
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July 20th, 2021 at 4:23:58 AM permalink
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Casino FLOOR size is really about slot and table count. In theory, a casino could have only one machine every 1,000 square feet if it wanted.



That would be a long walk to scout anything.

Honestly, I learn some things based on machine count vs permitted occupancy (often a fire code sign somewhere), parking space count (self park vs valet vs employee parking), ramp vs flat lot.
I make mental notes on if the buffet or theater is accessed from the gaming floor or a lobby.

Some people find these sorts of arcane trivia informative and useful.
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July 20th, 2021 at 4:34:32 AM permalink
Quote: Dieter

That would be a long walk to scout anything.

Honestly, I learn some things based on machine count vs permitted occupancy (often a fire code sign somewhere), parking space count (self park vs valet vs employee parking), ramp vs flat lot.
I make mental notes on if the buffet or theater is accessed from the gaming floor or a lobby.

Some people find these sorts of arcane trivia informative and useful.



Personally, I usually do one of the following:

1.) Slot and Table counts are often in .gov reports for commercial casinos.

2.) Go with what the casino itself says on their own website, and cite it. If the casino's published numbers are wrong (on their own outlet) my take is, "If they don't care enough to get it right, then why should I?"

3.) Call the property, try to get a slot manager and ask for at least an estimate.

4.) Go with however many the casino is licensed to have.

You look at a 80,000 square foot casino to a 90,000 one, it's like, "Close your eyes and visually picture the difference between eighty and ninety thousand square feet." Maybe a real estate agent could do it.

But, machine count? Close your eyes and picture a slot machine. Okay, this casino has 600 of those and this other casino has 800 of those.
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July 20th, 2021 at 4:54:09 AM permalink
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You look at a 80,000 square foot casino to a 90,000 one, it's like, "Close your eyes and visually picture the difference between eighty and ninety thousand square feet." Maybe a real estate agent could do it.

But, machine count? Close your eyes and picture a slot machine. Okay, this casino has 600 of those and this other casino has 800 of those.



10000 sqf is enough room to park 13 semi trucks (or rock musician's tour buses), if that helps makes the numbers tangible.

Fire code allows 8000 people on the gaming floor, but only 3000 machines placed, vs 1400 people to 1200 machines? You may infer what you will.
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July 20th, 2021 at 10:28:05 AM permalink
I called Circa, they transferred me to the casino manager, but it rang and rang with no option to leave a voicemail.
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July 20th, 2021 at 10:30:44 AM permalink
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I called Circa, they transferred me to the casino manager, but it rang and rang with no option to leave a voicemail.



That's a good result. It seems the most frequent result for me, when I call casinos, is that the operator attempts to transfer me and accidentally hangs up.
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