Man shot at GVR by Guards
January 2nd, 2019 at 2:44:28 PM
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https://www.policeone.com/officer-shootings/articles/482514006-Nev-security-guards-kill-armed-man-at-casino-resort/?fbclid=IwAR3BpBwscG0b3OEB5H7GkJHWHwxRtxAzJU3L_O359mCWU6Loa10G2JNcE9g
Expect the worst and you will never be disappointed.
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January 5th, 2019 at 8:47:10 AM
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Card counter?
January 5th, 2019 at 11:05:24 AM
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Quote: standbymymanCard counter?
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January 5th, 2019 at 11:14:24 AM
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Since nothing else has been said, I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be a concealed weapon holder that they shot by mistake.
January 5th, 2019 at 11:32:35 AM
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The little I've heard seems to indicate the man was brandishing his gun while walking up and down rows of slot machines.
He moved to another sector and drew his gun on an unarmed guard before an armed guard shot him.
There was a shooting at Wild West this week that is also not getting much coverage.
He moved to another sector and drew his gun on an unarmed guard before an armed guard shot him.
There was a shooting at Wild West this week that is also not getting much coverage.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
January 5th, 2019 at 12:17:03 PM
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Quote: billryanThe little I've heard seems to indicate the man was brandishing his gun while walking up and down rows of slot machines.
He moved to another sector and drew his gun on an unarmed guard before an armed guard shot him.
Strange I haven't heard about this story before. If this account is accurate, I have no sympathy for the deceased and praise GVR security for keeping their property safe.
Edit: For an article at the LVRJ about it -- Las Vegas man ID’d as gunman shot by casino security guards.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
January 5th, 2019 at 12:25:45 PM
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Quote: WizardStrange I haven't heard about this story before. If this account is accurate, I have no sympathy for the deceased and praise GVR security for keeping their property safe.
I think it's best to wait for the investigation.
Can a person with a concealed permit carry in a casino?
I'm not very familiar with GVR. Is much of their security armed? I'd like to know the background of the shooter.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
January 5th, 2019 at 12:30:45 PM
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Quote: billryanI think it's best to wait for the investigation.
That's why I wrote, "if this account is accurate."
Quote:Can a person with a concealed permit carry in a casino?
Up to the policy of the casino, and I think just about all of them prohibit concealed weapons. You see such signs on or near the doors often.
Quote:I'm not very familiar with GVR. Is much of their security armed?
I never paid much attention to it, but think I've seen guards with side arms at other casinos. I rarely make it out to the GVR. It makes me feel safer knowing that casino guards are armed and know how to use their weapons properly.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
January 5th, 2019 at 12:41:55 PM
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Didnt west gate put metal detectors up a while back for this reason?
Expect the worst and you will never be disappointed.
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January 5th, 2019 at 12:43:21 PM
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Quote: WizardThat's why I wrote, "if this account is accurate."
Up to the policy of the casino, and I think just about all of them prohibit concealed weapons. You see such signs on or near the doors often.
I never paid much attention to it, but think I've seen guards with side arms at other casinos. I rarely make it out to the GVR. It makes me feel safer knowing that casino guards are armed and know how to use their weapons properly.
Signs do not have the force of law in private buildings. That includes casinos. Just another case of casinos trying to make you do things they can't. Only in public buildings with signs is it illegal to carry. You can also open carry in a casino. I wouldn't advise that though. Might wind up like this guy.
You can also conceal carry in bars as long as you're blood alcohol level does not exceed .10
Those security guards might want to hope there are witnesses and tapes to back up their accounts.
January 5th, 2019 at 12:49:02 PM
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I noticed an armed guard at El Cortez about a year ago and asked him if it was a new policy. He said the uniformed supervisor always was armed, and then he mentioned they also had plainclothes guards, some of which were armed.
I was at Emerald Island last year when two plainclothes guys took down someone in the parking lot, but when I asked about it, they were Henderson cops who responded to a call about the guy trying to open car doors.
I'm amazed how little visible security most Vegas casinos have. I have no problem with armed guards, if they are properly trained. Hopefully, the standards for armed security are tighter than the uniformed guys who stand around.
I was at Emerald Island last year when two plainclothes guys took down someone in the parking lot, but when I asked about it, they were Henderson cops who responded to a call about the guy trying to open car doors.
I'm amazed how little visible security most Vegas casinos have. I have no problem with armed guards, if they are properly trained. Hopefully, the standards for armed security are tighter than the uniformed guys who stand around.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
January 5th, 2019 at 12:51:05 PM
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Should add that the casino can ask you to leave. If this guy was brandishing a firearm the casino employees are most likely safe. It will be interesting to see how this turns out.
January 5th, 2019 at 1:07:25 PM
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HENDERSON, Nevada (FOX5) -- The Clark County Coroner identified the man who police said was shot and killed at Green Valley Ranch hotel-casino on Tuesday afternoon.
Shannon Howell, 53, of Las Vegas died from several gunshot wounds, the coroner said Thursday
Officers responded about 3:40 p.m. Tuesday, according to Henderson police spokesperson Katrina Rothmeyer, to the property near the 215 Beltway and Green Valley Ranch.
The shooting happened in the hotel lobby. Police said three security guards confronted the suspect, Howell. Two of the security guards were armed.
"A verbal exchange took place. It's reported that the male produced a handgun," said Lt. Kirk Moore with the Henderson Police Department.
At least two tv networks are saying he had a suicide note on him, and released an old mug shot of him.
Shannon Howell, 53, of Las Vegas died from several gunshot wounds, the coroner said Thursday
Officers responded about 3:40 p.m. Tuesday, according to Henderson police spokesperson Katrina Rothmeyer, to the property near the 215 Beltway and Green Valley Ranch.
The shooting happened in the hotel lobby. Police said three security guards confronted the suspect, Howell. Two of the security guards were armed.
"A verbal exchange took place. It's reported that the male produced a handgun," said Lt. Kirk Moore with the Henderson Police Department.
At least two tv networks are saying he had a suicide note on him, and released an old mug shot of him.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
January 5th, 2019 at 1:29:16 PM
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casinos don't like gunplay and usually force armed guards to re-certify on the firing range.
all security is meant to be unseen but casinos always want to avoid headlines. that is why a person in the casino can go up to any English speaking employee and get an immediate security escort. no charge, no minimum number of chips or anything. escorted to your room.finr. to the edge of their property, fine. into a taxicab at their expense, fine. cabdrivers don't like but the apron manager will let them back in promptly after forcing the cabbie to pull up away from the crowds.
some guards have fake guns some have concealed guns.
just too much money and alcohol around not to have something more than some yokel wearing a seersucker vest.
all security is meant to be unseen but casinos always want to avoid headlines. that is why a person in the casino can go up to any English speaking employee and get an immediate security escort. no charge, no minimum number of chips or anything. escorted to your room.finr. to the edge of their property, fine. into a taxicab at their expense, fine. cabdrivers don't like but the apron manager will let them back in promptly after forcing the cabbie to pull up away from the crowds.
some guards have fake guns some have concealed guns.
just too much money and alcohol around not to have something more than some yokel wearing a seersucker vest.
January 5th, 2019 at 1:29:58 PM
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Quote: MaxPenSigns do not have the force of law in private buildings. That includes casinos. Just another case of casinos trying to make you do things they can't. Only in public buildings with signs is it illegal to carry. You can also open carry in a casino. I wouldn't advise that though. Might wind up like this guy.
You can also conceal carry in bars as long as you're blood alcohol level does not exceed .10
I'll just say that casinos can make and enforce their own rules.
Quote:Those security guards might want to hope there are witnesses and tapes to back up their accounts.
I'm sure security cameras caught it from a number of angles. I am willing to wager that no criminal charges are pressed against the guards, knowing what little I do at this point.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
January 5th, 2019 at 1:32:07 PM
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Quote: billryanHopefully, the standards for armed security are tighter than the uniformed guys who stand around.
I'm pretty sure there is a higher level of certification required for a guard to carry a firearm. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
January 5th, 2019 at 1:48:11 PM
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Quote: WizardI'll just say that casinos can make and enforce their own rules.
I'm sure security cameras caught it from a number of angles. I am willing to wager that no criminal charges are pressed against the guards, knowing what little I do at this point.
I made a secondary post pointing out they can ask you to leave.
I hope they have it all clearly on tape. I'm leaning towards justified at this point myself. The longer it takes to make an official statement to that effect the more likely it was not justified. One can only speculate.
The training requirements for armed security are actually pretty lax. Pass a security guard exam and take a firearms class similar to the qualifications to get a CCW. Pay a fee and get your card for 5 years.
January 5th, 2019 at 2:24:49 PM
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I thought I heard reports he pulled his gun (?)
If so, all bets are off and I have no problem with them taking action.
I just want to make sure the reports are correct and there is overwhelming VIDEO evidence that he actually pulled his gun.
If, in fact, he had a suiside note on him, I have to think he pulled his gun in hopes of getting Shot.
I wonder how much money he lost at that location? I have a feeling we won't get that information.
If so, all bets are off and I have no problem with them taking action.
I just want to make sure the reports are correct and there is overwhelming VIDEO evidence that he actually pulled his gun.
If, in fact, he had a suiside note on him, I have to think he pulled his gun in hopes of getting Shot.
I wonder how much money he lost at that location? I have a feeling we won't get that information.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
January 5th, 2019 at 2:29:20 PM
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I have to think the entire thing was caught by the eye.
There should therefore be irrefutable evidence as to what actions the dead man took leading to his demise.
There should therefore be irrefutable evidence as to what actions the dead man took leading to his demise.
"What, me worry?"
January 5th, 2019 at 2:36:09 PM
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Quote: MrVI have to think the entire thing was caught by the eye.
There should therefore be irrefutable evidence as to what actions the dead man took leading to his demise.
I'm sure the property would like to clear itself ASAP. Hopefully the police investigators have the same sense of urgency. If it's clear, should be Monday at the latest to issue an official statement.
