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July 8th, 2021 at 4:49:28 AM permalink
I am sure people on this forum know that this is a horrible, "predatory" paytable. But I doubt the average tourist will know that. What does it say about CAESARS unlimited greed that they would even have this on the floor ?

Their website says:

When it comes to entertainment destinations, no one does it better than Caesars hotels and resorts. Whether youíre looking for dining, nightlife, relaxation, or some of the best casino gaming out there, Caesars has you covered.

I beg to differ. A 6-5 JoB paytable on a $ 5 denomination machine has to be some of the WORST casino gaming out there.

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July 8th, 2021 at 5:17:02 AM permalink
Holy crap! I've only seen 6/5 JoB on a cruise ship, and that was just 25c.
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July 8th, 2021 at 5:20:42 AM permalink
They have 6/5 JoB at McCarran, but they don't have the nerve to have it a $ 5 denom, just $ 1.
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July 8th, 2021 at 8:46:27 AM permalink
Quote: JohnnyQ

I am sure people on this forum know that this is a horrible, "predatory" paytable. But I doubt the average tourist will know that. What does it say about CAESARS unlimited greed that they would even have this on the floor ?

Their website says:

When it comes to entertainment destinations, no one does it better than Caesars hotels and resorts. Whether youíre looking for dining, nightlife, relaxation, or some of the best casino gaming out there, Caesars has you covered.

I beg to differ. A 6-5 JoB paytable on a $ 5 denomination machine has to be some of the WORST casino gaming out there.



It'll be among the worst, that's for sure. Just grab a seat, buckle up and enjoy the race to the bottom. They put three zeroes on Roulette wheels now. Maybe they'll start having 6:5 with the fixed 500-FOR-1 Royal, and people will think it's a bargain because they only have to bet one credit.

(I have played 500-FOR-1 fixed games before, but that's because they were 9-6, which is 98.88%...best game on the floor for that bet level at this particular casino.)
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July 8th, 2021 at 10:06:36 AM permalink
WoO says that 6/5 JoB is 95.0 % return with optimal play. So, still better than most Slot Machines, right ? But horrible horrible horrible for VIDEO POKER.
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July 8th, 2021 at 10:12:50 AM permalink
Planet Hollywood (when it was Aladdin) used to have a really nice upscale high limit lounge (the London Club) on the mezzanine level complete with plunging neckline gowns for the female dealers (I actually dated one of the girls for a while), but ever since it went the way of Planet Hollywood I haven't seen much to get excited over there. Unless, does PH still have their go go girls dancing by the gaming tables? Do go go girls make up for poor payouts? Circa has those, now. But only on the regular floor, not in high limit.

At Circa high limit you may get a neck massage while playing. (The Bacchanal Buffet at Caesar's had something like that, from what I have been told.) I jump up out of my seat on winning hands too much to remain in my seat long enough to get a massage though.
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July 8th, 2021 at 11:12:27 AM permalink
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WoO says that 6/5 JoB is 95.0 % return with optimal play. So, still better than most Slot Machines, right ? But horrible horrible horrible for VIDEO POKER.



Yes, much better than their video slots which run from 85%-88%.
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July 8th, 2021 at 12:07:02 PM permalink
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WoO says that 6/5 JoB is 95.0 % return with optimal play. So, still better than most Slot Machines, right ? But horrible horrible horrible for VIDEO POKER.



I doubt anyone who plays games like this would ever know perfect strategy. If I ever had a reason to play it, I would just guess my best, rather than spend the time to squeeze out the extra value. With some plays I've seen (hold a pair and a high card?), the overall return might start to approach slots.
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July 8th, 2021 at 7:12:13 PM permalink
Note they don't say "best paying" casino gaming. They could be referring to the atmosphere in the casino.
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July 8th, 2021 at 7:50:58 PM permalink
I echo the previous comments that 6-5 Jacks at the $5 denom is truly shameful. Not that it is a good excuse, but I think this is either a mistake or the slot director doesn't know what he's doing.
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July 9th, 2021 at 4:51:51 AM permalink
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Note they don't say "best paying" casino gaming. They could be referring to the atmosphere in the casino.

Maybe, but I guess we can all agree that they ARE NOT referring to the PAYTABLE for that game.

They do have 9/5 in the High Limit room at the $ 1 denom. I think that is fair for the STRIP.
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July 9th, 2021 at 5:47:51 AM permalink
Proposed Caesars WEBSITE update:

"When it comes to entertainment destinations, no one does it better than Caesars hotels and resorts. Whether youíre looking for dining, nightlife, relaxation, or some of the best casino gaming out there some gaming that is not even quite as good as what you will find at McCarran airport, or WATERED DOWN Diamond Level benefits, Caesars has you covered.

Any other suggestions ? ? ? I am sure they would appreciate our input.
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July 9th, 2021 at 6:38:50 AM permalink
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Any other suggestions ? ? ? I am sure they would appreciate our input.


Well, since we are being honest...

Proposed Caesars WEBSITE update:

"When it comes to entertainment destinations, no one does it better than Caesars hotels and resorts Wynn Resorts. Whether youíre looking for dining, nightlife, relaxation, or some of the best casino gaming out there some gaming that is not even quite as good as what you will find at McCarran airport, or WATERED DOWN Diamond Level benefits, Caesars has you covered."
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July 9th, 2021 at 2:21:45 PM permalink
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WoO says that 6/5 JoB is 95.0 % return with optimal play. So, still better than most Slot Machines, right ? But horrible horrible horrible for VIDEO POKER.



Better than $5 denomination slot machines, especially AFTER factoring in mistakes? It's probably a horse apiece.
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July 9th, 2021 at 2:24:52 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I echo the previous comments that 6-5 Jacks at the $5 denom is truly shameful. Not that it is a good excuse, but I think this is either a mistake or the slot director doesn't know what he's doing.



I think he knows exactly what he is doing.
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July 9th, 2021 at 4:35:38 PM permalink
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I think he knows exactly what he is doing.



I suspect they still have better pay tables at lower denoms and this machine was an aberration.
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July 9th, 2021 at 5:27:20 PM permalink
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I suspect they still have better pay tables at lower denoms and this machine was an aberration.

Yes, they have $ 1 9/5 JoB on Spin Poker.

But my point is that many touristas probably don't know better and they are being taken advantage of. Anyone on this site knows better.
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July 9th, 2021 at 7:45:48 PM permalink
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Yes, they have $ 1 9/5 JoB on Spin Poker.

But my point is that many touristas probably don't know better and they are being taken advantage of. Anyone on this site knows better.



Exactly what I was thinking. Sprinkle them in here and there and catch the unwary.
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July 10th, 2021 at 6:53:52 AM permalink
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Exactly what I was thinking. Sprinkle them in here and there and catch the unwary.



I remember very clearly being at Ballys LV when I was 22 or 23 or so. I knew I liked deuces wild and had some idea of what a decent pay table would look like so I was probably ahead of most casual LV VP players. Then I got to the machines and kept thinking, ďIf I bet 2 coins, then Iím way over what a good machine would pay. But that canít be right.Ē For some reason I couldnít figure out how to reconcile the two. I was so confused. I ended up assuming I was missing something and didnít play.

Put another way, even if someone knew 9/6 was good for JOB, they might look at the 2 coin payout for 6/5 and think ďoh, 12/10 is much better than 9/6.Ē Itís very wrong but I can see why someone might be confused because that confused me too at one time (assuming they cared to look at all, which I assume most LV gamblers donít care or know what to look for).

Iíve also seen this with friends and family members. Their logic is, ďhey, this payout is more than a started with, so why complain?Ē For example, if they hit an All/Tall/Small things on craps with the lower pay table. They donít quite get that a payout can be sizable AND still not enough to balance out (partially) a lot of the losing hands.
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July 11th, 2021 at 6:22:03 AM permalink
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I suspect they still have better pay tables at lower denoms and this machine was an aberration.

It was in that semi-circular bank of machines by the escalators. I didn't look to see if there were others, just seems unlikely that I stumbled onto the ONLY one in the place. I suspect that there were multiple ones with 6/5 at the $ 5 denom. But I didn't check them all.
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July 11th, 2021 at 2:34:02 PM permalink
oooooops:

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/22584-gambling-hall-of-shame-i-nominate/

What can I say ? I'm busy, I'm getting older, I uh, what was I going to say ?

ANYWAYS 6 years and later and, NO CHANGE. I sortof/kindof vaguely remembered, but not totally "to be honest".
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