Westgate installs metal detectors
State of the art scanners monitor everyone walking thru, scanning for weapons.
When it detects one, it notifies both security and Metro, photographs the person and tracks their location until security notifies it to stop.
Entirely passive, no one should even notice them.
I believe this is a pilot program.
Quote: billryanThe Westgate has installed next generation metal detectors at its entrances.
State of the art scanners monitor everyone walking thru, scanning for weapons.
When it detects one, it notifies both security and Metro, photographs the person and tracks their location until security notifies it to stop.
Entirely passive, no one should even notice them.
I believe this is a pilot program.
I haven't heard about this. Can you reference your sources so I can read up on it? Thanks.
That being said as a former State Trooper, I always carry a gun discretely with my CC permit etc. It is legal to carry a gun in casinos in Nevada open or concealed, Unless every public entrance is marked no firearms. I don't recall seeing this my last time there but it wont matter now. They have no legal authority to secretly scan you and notify LVPD because it is not illegal. Just my 2 cents
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That being said as a former State Trooper, I always carry a gun discretely with my CC permit etc. It is legal to carry a gun in casinos in Nevada open or concealed, Unless every public entrance is marked no firearms. I don't recall seeing this my last time there but it wont matter now. They have no legal authority to secretly scan you and notify LVPD because it is not illegal. Just my 2 cents
nevadacarry dot org has the details
Can you explain the first paragraph a little bit more? My understanding is that they can scan whoever they want to because they fundamentally have that right as a business, moreover, they can call and tell LVPD whatever they want...they just can't report it as an actual crime. While legal CC (with a license) or open carry is not illegal, that does not mean that everyone carrying a firearm is doing so legally, and generally, I think those are the firearms they'd be concerned about.
I'm not doubting what you say, I just can;t figure out how they would be violating anyone's rights. I do understand why you wouldn't go there anymore, especially if you insist on carrying your weapon everywhere you go. You could always go and not carry your weapon if you really wanted to, though. Are you THAT concerned something is going to happen between the garage and casino entrance?
Quote: Mission146Are you THAT concerned something is going to happen between the garage and casino entrance?
The timeshare people at the Westgate are very pesky.
If it really works, the security level of public places will be improved.
And the amount of tragedies will be reduced.
Quote: DeMangoWell if what is posted is correct, what will happen to the customer that has the cc permit and is properly carrying?
A business can prohibit anyone, concealed permit holder or not, from carrying on their premise, as far as I know.
At least that's the law in NY. I believe that's nationwide. On duty law enforcement being the exception.
Quote: billryanA business can prohibit anyone, concealed permit holder or not, from carrying on their premise, as far as I know.
At least that's the law in NY. I believe that's nationwide. On duty law enforcement being the exception.
I hope we have a gun nut here because I'm going off of old memories. But I believe if you concealed carry onto a gun restricted property, all they can do is kick you off their property, unless there are specific laws against it (like federal property).
A friend of mine from Mississippi tells me that the laws there have an exception to the typical "No Firearms Allowed" restrictions. A holder of a Mississippi concealed-carry permit, who also has certified U.S. Military combat experience, is allowed to carry his firearm in those locations. My friend meets both of those requirements.
I suspect there are some special locations where this exception does not apply, but I did not ask about those. Assuming that exception is true/valid, I do not know whether a business, such as a casino, can still prohibit such a carrier's entrance into their facility. I suspect so -- it would be completely legal for him to carry there even when the signs say "No Firearms", but if they became aware of it, they could require that he leave. Just my guess.
Siegal Suites routinely faxes every registration form to Metro.Quote: Mission146they can call and tell LVPD whatever they want...they just can't report it as an actual crime.
Quote: DocSpeaking just from hearsay here: A holder of a Mississippi concealed-carry permit, who also has certified U.S. Military combat experience, is allowed to carry his firearm in those locations.
I wonder who "certifies" a person's military combat experience. Perhaps your friend can explain.
How do Air Force pilots dropping bombs and Navy sailors launching cruise missiles get their combat experience "qualified" for a firearm? Or, is it only for GI's and Marines? Not sure I'm comfortable with efforts to "sort" military veterans into those with and those without "combat" experience. Pretty confusing to me.
FWIW, I know the Biloxi Hard Rock casino has a "No Firearms" sign as you leave the elevators from the parking garage into the casino.
I suspect (don't know) that combat certification is obtained by presenting appropriate military records to the folks who issue the concealed-carry permits. I don't know what specific info they would be looking for in the records. For example, my DD-214 shows active duty from 1969-71, including the National Defense Service Medal (which I think went to everyone having honorable active duty in that period), but I do not have any combat experience at all. Yes, I guess it could be confusing to those of us who don't know what the real requirements are.
I didn't see any evidence of these scanners (nothing obvious on the wall), and no one bothered me. Anyone know if these were ever actually installed?
For the record, yes, I make a habit of carrying a firearm. It's a personal choice I made a decade ago.
Quote: troopscottThis actually will make me quit going here. Honestly I didn't go my last trip (few weeks ago) to Vegas but I usually pop in a couple times and hit their sportsbook who usually has slightly better lines it seems than other places at times. That usually leads to a little Pai Gow as well.
That being said as a former State Trooper, I always carry a gun discretely with my CC permit etc. It is legal to carry a gun in casinos in Nevada open or concealed, Unless every public entrance is marked no firearms. I don't recall seeing this my last time there but it wont matter now. They have no legal authority to secretly scan you and notify LVPD because it is not illegal. Just my 2 cents
nevadacarry dot org has the details
Every casino I've ever entered has had signs banning weapons of any kind, even if you have a concealed carry permit. I'm not sure I'd enter a casino that didn't have such a policy, as I don't know what you or anyone other gun nut is going to do with their gun when you get on a losing streak, get completely drunk, etc.
If you really are carrying a gun into public places like this, I for one want the casino to catch you at the door, and hopefully they permanently ban you. You don't have a right to endanger my life simply because you're a gun nut.
Quote: YelruhSo, I was there briefly in October. I came in the main entrance, and wandered around the casino floor a bit before going upstairs to an event.
I didn't see any evidence of these scanners (nothing obvious on the wall), and no one bothered me. Anyone know if these were ever actually installed?
For the record, yes, I make a habit of carrying a firearm. It's a personal choice I made a decade ago.
This place has been sleeping for a long time. Please, let us not try to wake them up.
Quote: cwazyYou don't have a right to endanger my life simply because you're a gun nut.
Personal Insult. I'll give you a pass this time, but given this Warning, the next one will be a fairly long ban.
Quote: Mission146Personal Insult. I'll give you a pass this time, but given this Warning, the next one will be a fairly long ban.
I disagree that it's an insult, but I am barely ever here anyway so it's not a problem, do whatever you'd like to do.
Quote: cwazyI disagree that it's an insult, but I am barely ever here anyway so it's not a problem, do whatever you'd like to do.
How is calling someone a, "Gun Nut," not a Personal Insult? If you were to talk about your notion of, "Gun Nuts," in third-person terms, such as, "I do not want to have my life endangered by a gun nut in a casino," then that is a whole different ballgame. You're not calling the other speaker a gun nut in that instance.
Quote: cwazy
If you really are carrying a gun into public places like this, I for one want the casino to catch you at the door, and hopefully they permanently ban you. You don't have a right to endanger my life simply because you're a gun nut.
However the police or security or military do have the right to endanger your life and carry weapons correct? What is to stop some law enforcement type to go off the rails and start a rampage? You ever hang out with some law enforcement military types and go out shooting with them? They don't act like some church going grandmother types in my experience. As a matter of fact, in my experience, they are pretty Amped up ready for action. I recently had some 5 foot nothing woman officer pull me over and try to get me rattled because it took a few extra mins to find my registration.
Quote: pingpangpongThis place has been sleeping for a long time. Please, let us not try to wake them up.
Apparently. My mistake. Was trying to add another data point that this appears to be vaporware at this time.
Quote: pingpangpongHowever the police or security or military do have the right to endanger your life and carry weapons correct? What is to stop some law enforcement type to go off the rails and start a rampage?
While nothing is to stop them, history shows that armed law enforcement are far less likely to "go off the rails and start a rampage" in a public place than armed patrons. I'm not a fan of anyone having guns in a public venue when I am present, because if there are no guns, I'm not going to get shot. But if they have to be there, I certainly want as few as possible, and for them to only be on trained, authorized police officers (I am certainly not a fan of private security guards having deadly weapons either, but the alternative is to not enter casinos because they all have armed private security on the premises).
It's simple math. Fewer guns means fewer flying bullets coming from fewer directions, which lowers my odds of being shot while I play in the casino. Therefore, I want fewer guns on the casino floor. I was actually in the Nugget in Reno during a motorcycle gang shooting - maybe 50 feet from it, sitting at a blackjack table. Perhaps having actually witnessed the consequences of patrons being armed colors my opinion.
Quote: ahiromuI hope we have a gun nut here because I'm going off of old memories. But I believe if you concealed carry onto a gun restricted property, all they can do is kick you off their property, unless there are specific laws against it (like federal property).
Being nuts about guns can be a positive reference as seen above. Calling someone a gun nut who says they are nuts about guns doesnt seem like a personal insult to me
Quote: darkozBeing nuts about guns can be a positive reference as seen above. Calling someone a gun nut who says they are nuts about guns doesnt seem like a personal insult to me
He directly stated that another member is endangering his life due to the fact that he is a gun nut and wished for another member to be, "Caught at the door and banned from the casino," what else do you want for Personal Insult?
Besides, it's not like I banned him. I just wan to turn the thread to talking about the subject, not each other.
Quote: Mission146He directly stated that another member is endangering his life due to the fact that he is a gun nut and wished for another member to be, "Caught at the door and banned from the casino," what else do you want for Personal Insult?
Besides, it's not like I banned him. I just wan to turn the thread to talking about the subject, not each other.
"Gun nut," at least to myself and everyone I know, is a general term for people that like guns. Most of the people I know that are into guns refer to themselves as "gun nuts". It wasn't my intention to insult him. It's also not insulting to hope that casinos can figure out which people are carrying deadly weapons onto the casino floor and remove them. Take all of their money that you want - the last thing I want to see is another AP banned from a casino simply for being an AP. However, if you're a person that carries guns into casinos, I don't want to you to be there with me. That's all I was saying.
Quote: cwazy"Gun nut," at least to myself and everyone I know, is a general term for people that like guns. Most of the people I know that are into guns refer to themselves as "gun nuts". It wasn't my intention to insult him. It's also not insulting to hope that casinos can figure out which people are carrying deadly weapons onto the casino floor and remove them. Take all of their money that you want - the last thing I want to see is another AP banned from a casino simply for being an AP. However, if you're a person that carries guns into casinos, I don't want to you to be there with me. That's all I was saying.
Those statements are all perfectly within the Rules. When you use, "You," or some form of it, five times in two sentences, that's where you want to take a look and ask, "Could I be in Personal Insult territory?" I'll eat my hat if, "Gun nut," could be reasonably believed, by anyone, to be a positive descriptor in that paragraph.
I also happen to largely agree with you on the general point, so please don't feel like you are being singled out. I wouldn't advocate a ban, but I would suggest the police be called to make sure all of the Registrations/Certificates are in order and then the carrier of the firearm then be asked to immediately remove it from the property completely before returning.
Quote: Mission146He directly stated that another member is endangering his life due to the fact that he is a gun nut and wished for another member to be, "Caught at the door and banned from the casino," what else do you want for Personal Insult?
Besides, it's not like I banned him. I just wan to turn the thread to talking about the subject, not each other.
Gotcha
So what is the general consensus in vegas about cc and guns in casinos and metal detectors after the recent mandalay bay incident. Im surprised this thread wasnt resurrected sooner
Quote: darkozGotcha
So what is the general consensus in vegas about cc and guns in casinos and metal detectors after the recent mandalay bay incident. Im surprised this thread wasnt resurrected sooner
From my understanding, concealed or open carry within a casino is legal, same as outside one. Signs on government buildings carry the weight of law in NV, private property doesn't.
If one is caught carrying, they could be trespassed. Just like happens to some caught as AP's.
As far as I've seen, outside of this post and the underlying press release, there is no screening at strip hotels. Some clubs search guests prior to entry as policy, and same goes for events.
At the end of the day, I doubt hotels are going to spend a lot of time and effort screening people and/or bags. It'll drive off/scare away customers. Who wants to stand around outside on a Friday afternoon in the summer to clear the TSA-like checkpoint? To the casino, thats 15-20 minutes I could be gambiling, but I'm not.
An eggs and grease breakfast joint near me had an armed robbery attempt of some sort but a customer was armed and simply blew his brains out without warning. His girlfriend tried to say the customer should have given him a chance to drop the gun but that is not the law for private citizens who are threatened.
I like the right to bear arms but there is a reality to the cop's views on it. A casino has so many guards and cameras that I can not envision a need to carry in a casino.
Quote: YelruhFrom my understanding, concealed or open carry within a casino is legal, same as outside one. Signs on government buildings carry the weight of law in NV, private property doesn't.
If one is caught carrying, they could be trespassed. Just like happens to some caught as AP's.
As you point out, the properties have a right to enforce their own rules, even if an action elsewhere would otherwise be legal. I would certainly not be in favor of trespassing someone getting caught violating such a rule for the first time, especially since they may arguably have not been aware of it. I think it's more than enough that they remove it from the property and not bring it back. If they refuse, or bring it back at a later date, then a trespass.
Quote: FleaStiffI like the right to bear arms but there is a reality to the cop's views on it. A casino has so many guards and cameras that I can not envision a need to carry in a casino.
I don't disagree. Casinos tend to have very good security. Many in Vegas now have armed security too. Metro's presence on the Strip is pretty good as well.
Not to derail the thread - I don't carry because I'm going to _____. I simply carry because the law allows it.
Quote: YelruhI don't disagree. Casinos tend to have very good security. Many in Vegas now have armed security too. Metro's presence on the Strip is pretty good as well.
Not to derail the thread - I don't carry because I'm going to _____. I simply carry because the law allows it.
A few days ago I went far out into the desert with my Jeep and my M1A, AK74, AK47, and two 45's. Nobody around for miles. Good times. I enjoy shooting guns and let's face it... guns are fun and feel good when you hold them or carry them. It's a simple pleasure like any other pleasure people might partake in.
Now if they want to take the guns away and only let the Law have them that is fine with me but they have to be willing to take them all out of the music, movies, video games, books and everything else that promotes them. When they are willing to do that I am willing to let them go. No water guns either or toy soldiers or rock em sock em robots or transformers or whatever else they got blowing stuff up for kids entertainment. No more entertainment about killing people or serial killers getting away with it like Dexter or Mr. Brooks or whatever else they got that I didn't list.
Interesting that it's apparently moving forward, surprising that it's taken this long.
Apparently I can't post links:
Www(dot)wired(dot)com/story/the-las-vegas-resort-using-microwaves-to-keep-guns-out-of-its-casino/
New members can’t post links.Quote: YelruhApparently I can't post links:
Www(dot)wired(dot)com/story/the-las-vegas-resort-using-microwaves-to-keep-guns-out-of-its-casino/
Here: https://www.wired.com/story/the-las-vegas-resort-using-microwaves-to-keep-guns-out-of-its-casino/
Quote: Mission146Personal Insult. I'll give you a pass this time, but given this Warning, the next one will be a fairly long ban.Quote: cwazyYou don't have a right to endanger my life simply because you're a gun nut.
As written it could be seen as a personal insult. But the ‘you’ is, I believe, intended to be a generality. Just replace ‘you’ with ‘someone’ and it becomes a non-personal statement, and not at all insulting.
Besides, I’m not sure calling someone a ___ nut is insulting.
I’m a casino nut and proud of it.
First of all, it depends on where you are, state laws differ, obviously. I believe in NV, in order for a casino or other business to legally "ban" weapons from their property from CCW holders, the signs need to have specific verbiage and/or an actual specific sign. A sign that simply reads "No guns permitted on premises" has no legal weight. It needs to be the "official" verbiage to hold legal weight.
I don't think banning guns is going to be all too helpful when someone wants to actually wreck havoc in a casino. That guy with a CCW is probably the exact person you want nearby if some crazy gunman comes into the casino you're at and starts shooting up the place.
Also, being in possession of a gun when your BAC is over 0.1% is illegal. So if we're going off of the "people with guns won't go to places where guns aren't permitted" logic, then we should agree on "someone won't get drunk and have a BAC over 0.1% while holding because that's not legal" logic.
Quote: RSAFAIK....
First of all, it depends on where you are, state laws differ, obviously. I believe in NV, in order for a casino or other business to legally "ban" weapons from their property from CCW holders, the signs need to have specific verbiage and/or an actual specific sign. A sign that simply reads "No guns permitted on premises" has no legal weight. It needs to be the "official" verbiage to hold legal weight...
From what I understand, posting in NV only is legally prohibiting on government buildings, and must be done a certain way.
Hotels are private property, and they have a right to throw out damn near anyone they don't want (just so long as it isn't because of a protected status), so they can always bar someone with a gun.
Quote: RS
Also, being in possession of a gun when your BAC is over 0.1% is illegal. So if we're going off of the "people with guns won't go to places where guns aren't permitted" logic, then we should agree on "someone won't get drunk and have a BAC over 0.1% while holding because that's not legal" logic.
Correct. That being said, I don't get close to 0.1% when carrying.
At the end of the day, it'll be interesting to see what happens.
