End of the road for Lake Mead??
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Your post perfectly made the point my "stupid" post does. Your comments show you prefer everything just so to the freedom to do with your house what you want.
You have not seen what I have seen in the hassles that they can cause when you want a mortgage. Another problem is that in many places it is de facto impossible to buy new construction without an HOA due to state laws. As to the "hidden rules" well they can just add rules in most cases. Again, if you like lots of rules, have at it. To me the whole HOA culture feels like East Germany. Gotta give up your rights for "the common good" which in an HOA means things like all the homes have to have the same blandness. "Property value" is the reason they give. I do guess it is easier to paint when someone tells you what color you can use. I have even heard of HOAs where you have to buy the "approved" paint from the HOA!
The Karen life is not for me.
My last house was in an HOA but my current one is not. I never really had a problem with the HOA but I also read the guidelines before purchasing. For the $11 a month I paid I was happy because they took care of the common areas and the park.. I had a friend paying $440 a month for his HOA and I would not have done that.
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Some do not cause a ton of hassle, others are run by Karen and Chad who think they are dictators. The problem is in any organization like an HOA the types that want to micromanage will always eventually get power and then will eventually abuse it. To me it is saying that federal rules, state rules, county rules, and local rules are not enough for you so you pay someone to enforce even more rules. For all that, is it really an issue if your neighbor's mailbox is different than all the others?
Quote: AZDuffmanFor all that, is it really an issue if your neighbor's mailbox is different than all the others?
i would say it depends. If it has a political sticker on it, burn it down and the house too. I originally used an orange politicians name and didn't want this to be a reason for me to be suspended.
Quote: DRichQuote: AZDuffmanFor all that, is it really an issue if your neighbor's mailbox is different than all the others?
i would say it depends. If it has a political sticker on it, burn it down and the house too. I originally used an orange politicians name and didn't want this to be a reason for me to be suspended.
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That would be a federal offense.
I mean, they can literally turn off Niagara Falls.
Quote: SOOPOOGulp. Quite a hijack we baddies have done. I think that the next technological advancement/implementation will be of figuring out a way to effectively save the massive rainfall/snowfall events’ water more effectively.
I mean, they can literally turn off Niagara Falls.
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They cannot turn it off, merely divert it. I hear the USA side is due to be shut off again soon. Will be a trip I make to see that. But I think they save it fairly well. The issue is where it has to go. And the biggie there is CA Ag. Inland CA is kind of farming in a desert at the moment. One has to drive thru it to really experience it. At the state line on the CA side is lush agriculture. Literally across the street is desert. Some of these fields are the supply to the entire world for those crops.
We will get wet years again. I still say that it is a matter of cycles that we do not know how long they are.
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: SOOPOOGulp. Quite a hijack we baddies have done. I think that the next technological advancement/implementation will be of figuring out a way to effectively save the massive rainfall/snowfall events’ water more effectively.
I mean, they can literally turn off Niagara Falls.
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They cannot turn it off, merely divert it. I hear the USA side is due to be shut off again soon. Will be a trip I make to see that. But I think they save it fairly well. The issue is where it has to go. And the biggie there is CA Ag. Inland CA is kind of farming in a desert at the moment. One has to drive thru it to really experience it. At the state line on the CA side is lush agriculture. Literally across the street is desert. Some of these fields are the supply to the entire world for those crops.
We will get wet years again. I still say that it is a matter of cycles that we do not know how long they are.
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I consider diverting the water elsewhere ‘turning Niagara Falls off’. So, YES, they can ‘turn it off’! If they do it again I will of course go to see it! I haven’t heard anything suggesting such…. but maybe I’m not listening in the right arenas….
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: SOOPOOGulp. Quite a hijack we baddies have done. I think that the next technological advancement/implementation will be of figuring out a way to effectively save the massive rainfall/snowfall events’ water more effectively.
I mean, they can literally turn off Niagara Falls.
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They cannot turn it off, merely divert it. I hear the USA side is due to be shut off again soon. Will be a trip I make to see that. But I think they save it fairly well. The issue is where it has to go. And the biggie there is CA Ag. Inland CA is kind of farming in a desert at the moment. One has to drive thru it to really experience it. At the state line on the CA side is lush agriculture. Literally across the street is desert. Some of these fields are the supply to the entire world for those crops.
We will get wet years again. I still say that it is a matter of cycles that we do not know how long they are.
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I consider diverting the water elsewhere ‘turning Niagara Falls off’. So, YES, they can ‘turn it off’! If they do it again I will of course go to see it! I haven’t heard anything suggesting such…. but maybe I’m not listening in the right arenas….
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I have heard they are thinking on it from people up there.
Quote: rxwineI don't know why people think manicured lawns and all the landscaping involved is such a great thing.
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I live on the border of a suburban and rural area and there are some properties that make me scratch my head. This one is right in the middle of a bunch of farms and horse stables but they themselves do no farming. Their whole 5+ acre yard is mowed grass with a couple of trees near the house. If it were my house I would replant so many trees you couldn't see the house from the road.
Quote: AitchTheLetterQuote: rxwineI don't know why people think manicured lawns and all the landscaping involved is such a great thing.
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I live on the border of a suburban and rural area and there are some properties that make me scratch my head. This one is right in the middle of a bunch of farms and horse stables but they themselves do no farming. Their whole 5+ acre yard is mowed grass with a couple of trees near the house. If it were my house I would replant so many trees you couldn't see the house from the road.
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Some people want the house not the neighborhood. Trees are tricky. The house next door to where I grew up was the cat lady and front yard full of trees. In person it always looked awful, half as many trees would be better. But it was mostly pine trees which may have been part of it.
Residents of Mexico City Are on the Brink of 'Day Zero' Disaster as Water Sources Fall to Historic Lows
Mexico City is the fifth largest city in the world, with more than 22 million residents. Now, the grand metropolis and every single one of those residents is in trouble.
Mexico City is dangerously close to “Day Zero,” otherwise known as the day the city runs out of water. In fact, some experts say that if it doesn’t rain soon (and a lot), that day may only be a week away.
Realistically, Mexico City needs substantial and consistent rainfall over the coming months in order to provide sufficient water to its millions of residents this summer.
However, while rain would help in the immediate crisis, many experts argue that a rainy few months is not nearly enough to save Mexico City from running out of water.
In addition to rainfall, Mexico City desperately needs to invest in its water infrastructure if it wants to completely solve the ongoing water crisis. Water for Mexico City needs to travel along an 8,000-mile-long grid before it reaches the taps, and these pipes are far from well-maintained.
In fact, some experts say that leaks in Mexico City’s pipes cause 35% of the water pumped through them to be lost along the way. Therefore, residents of the city are begging their government to invest in and fix the infrastructure, but the government simply doesn’t want to spend billions of dollars on leaky pipes.
According to the National Water Commission, nearly 68% of Mexico is currently experiencing moderate to extreme drought. So, water scarcity is certainly a big topic within the country’s government. But residents are extremely disappointed in their so-called conservation plans.
Former president Andrés Manuel López Obrador repeatedly told Mexico that Day Zero would never happen, even as they watched the Cutzamala run dry. He insisted that new wells were being dug and that he was working to bring water into Mexico City from the country. But when he was voted out in June 2024, Mexico City residents had yet to see any of these plans come to fruition.
On June 3, 2024, Mexico collectively elected its first-ever female president, Claudia Sheinbaum. However, it’s unlikely that the new president will make any real changes to the former president’s plan.
President Sheinbaum served as secretary of the then-mayor of Mexico City, Andrés Manuel López Obrador, and then became mayor herself from 2018 to 2023. She is widely considered López Obrador’s “protégée” and has staunchly defended his response to the water shortage.
Exactly when Mexico City will run out of water is still up for debate. There are some, like the former president and the new president, who believe Day Zero will never actually come. However, the vast majority of experts disagree.
In fact, some say that if the great metropolis doesn’t see a significant amount of rain this week, Day Zero could arrive as early as June 26, 2024. Of course, there will still be some water for Mexico City residents, but they will be forced to conserve and have strict water schedules for the rest of the summer and maybe even the rest of the year.
One poster said Mexico City gets afternoon storms daily from July to November but it's blazing hot at noon. So there could be a turn of events shortly. Other news reports say parts of the city have run dry for months already. Water has to be trucked in and cisterns are being filled. A travel video had a comment that the hotel they stayed at had no water with no explanation and the local bars had no water, and that was a couple weeks ago. They transferred to a Hilton and got water. You've got to be a first class traveler to get water I guess.
I'm just reminded of some movie where a civil war breaks out on some American tourists in a foreign country stuck in a hotel and the whole country goes into lockdown as chaos reigns in the streets. Don't expect survivors.
Los Angeles has only had 0.03" of rain since last May, fueling these wildfires.
Quote: ChumpChangeToday's Newblip: https://tinyurl.com/2bp2scax ---- https://tinyurl.com/24uj398f
Residents of Mexico City Are on the Brink of 'Day Zero' Disaster as Water Sources Fall to Historic Lows
Mexico City is the fifth largest city in the world, with more than 22 million residents. Now, the grand metropolis and every single one of those residents is in trouble.
Mexico City is dangerously close to “Day Zero,” otherwise known as the day the city runs out of water. In fact, some experts say that if it doesn’t rain soon (and a lot), that day may only be a week away.
Realistically, Mexico City needs substantial and consistent rainfall over the coming months in order to provide sufficient water to its millions of residents this summer.
However, while rain would help in the immediate crisis, many experts argue that a rainy few months is not nearly enough to save Mexico City from running out of water.
In addition to rainfall, Mexico City desperately needs to invest in its water infrastructure if it wants to completely solve the ongoing water crisis. Water for Mexico City needs to travel along an 8,000-mile-long grid before it reaches the taps, and these pipes are far from well-maintained.
In fact, some experts say that leaks in Mexico City’s pipes cause 35% of the water pumped through them to be lost along the way. Therefore, residents of the city are begging their government to invest in and fix the infrastructure, but the government simply doesn’t want to spend billions of dollars on leaky pipes.
According to the National Water Commission, nearly 68% of Mexico is currently experiencing moderate to extreme drought. So, water scarcity is certainly a big topic within the country’s government. But residents are extremely disappointed in their so-called conservation plans.
Former president Andrés Manuel López Obrador repeatedly told Mexico that Day Zero would never happen, even as they watched the Cutzamala run dry. He insisted that new wells were being dug and that he was working to bring water into Mexico City from the country. But when he was voted out in June 2024, Mexico City residents had yet to see any of these plans come to fruition.
On June 3, 2024, Mexico collectively elected its first-ever female president, Claudia Sheinbaum. However, it’s unlikely that the new president will make any real changes to the former president’s plan.
President Sheinbaum served as secretary of the then-mayor of Mexico City, Andrés Manuel López Obrador, and then became mayor herself from 2018 to 2023. She is widely considered López Obrador’s “protégée” and has staunchly defended his response to the water shortage.
Exactly when Mexico City will run out of water is still up for debate. There are some, like the former president and the new president, who believe Day Zero will never actually come. However, the vast majority of experts disagree.
In fact, some say that if the great metropolis doesn’t see a significant amount of rain this week, Day Zero could arrive as early as June 26, 2024. Of course, there will still be some water for Mexico City residents, but they will be forced to conserve and have strict water schedules for the rest of the summer and maybe even the rest of the year.
One poster said Mexico City gets afternoon storms daily from July to November but it's blazing hot at noon. So there could be a turn of events shortly. Other news reports say parts of the city have run dry for months already. Water has to be trucked in and cisterns are being filled. A travel video had a comment that the hotel they stayed at had no water with no explanation and the local bars had no water, and that was a couple weeks ago. They transferred to a Hilton and got water. You've got to be a first class traveler to get water I guess.
I'm just reminded of some movie where a civil war breaks out on some American tourists in a foreign country stuck in a hotel and the whole country goes into lockdown as chaos reigns in the streets. Don't expect survivors.
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Just curious: Did Day Z arrive in Mexico City? Was there a water disaster? Chaos in the streets? Just asking for some followup.
Lake Powell running down and could reach minimum power level by late 2026.
It seems this week is about the usual low for the lake, and this graph looks a little more dramatic than it is. But the trend is still there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwgvK5D0qVw
Water allocations cut severely to several states over the next two years with further severe cuts after that if warranted. Hopefully the off the charts El Niño will bring much needed globe-stomping flooding this winter.
Quote: ChumpChangeLas Vegas Is Facing a MAJOR Water Cut - JacobslifeinVegas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwgvK5D0qVw
Water allocations cut severely to several states over the next two years with further severe cuts after that if warranted. Hopefully the off the charts El Niño will bring much needed globe-stomping flooding this winter.
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Having lived in Vegas for over 30 years some form of this was brought up almost every year. Honestly, it had almost no material affect to the residents. Sure, water prices may have increased slightly but our whole economy is based on supply and demand. If water gets too expensive or is no longer existent, people will move away. The market will self correct.
Quote:Las Vegas's explosive expansion has made Nevada the fastest-growing state in the United States over the last 55 years, with a whopping 572% population increase since 1970 driven almost entirely by the transformation of the Las Vegas valley
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Quote: rxwineQuote:Las Vegas's explosive expansion has made Nevada the fastest-growing state in the United States over the last 55 years, with a whopping 572% population increase since 1970 driven almost entirely by the transformation of the Las Vegas valley
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Gesundheit!
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I took the October 2022, pic. The below I found on the internet, from March 2024, when the water level was about 30 feet higher.
Of course not. Local weather is trivial for Colorado River flows, since the watershed is overwhelmingly comprised of seasonal melting of the annual Rocky Mountain snowpack. The water comes from Wyoming, Colorado, Utah, New Mexico, etc. Which is why it is called the COLORADO river, as it rises every Spring then gradually declines through the year until the next melting of the accumulated snow and ice very far away to the north and has done so for longer than humans have existed on the face of the Earth. And why this...Quote: DieterAny noticeable rise in the lake after the rains?
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...was just silly.Quote:... October 2022, pic. The below I found on the internet, from March 2024, when the water level was about 30 feet higher.
And to eliminate the seasonal difference entirely, Lake Mead was approximately 1,046 feet when I took the picture on a certain date in October 2022, compared with 1,062.2 feet on that exact same day in October 2024. Thus, even comparing the same calendar date, the lake was approximately 16 feet higher. Seasonality accounts for part of the March comparison—not all of it.
If every substantial change in the lake’s elevation is dismissed as merely seasonal, then the entire premise of this thread—that Lake Mead was in serious trouble in 2022—is negated.
Lake Mead's lowest recorded water level since it first filled was approximately 1,037.60 feet above sea level, on October 9, 2026. That's worse than the 2022 lows! So we did well moving on up from the 2022 historic lows, but now we're worse than ever.
(There's gambling everywhere else in the country and It's already dying financially.)
Use Lake Meade's water just for agriculture
Quote: 100xOddsAt what point will the govt Let Vegas die to help Lake Meade?
(There's gambling everywhere else in the country and It's already dying financially.)
Use Lake Meade's water just for agriculture
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Forty million Americans, and who knows how many Mexicans, depend on the Colorado River for water. Lake Powell, Lake Mead, and Lake Mohave are simply reservoirs of its water. In Arizona, the city of Page gets 100% of its water from Lake Powell, and it may lose access to it within the next few years. The federal government already reworked the pumps this year to account for Lake Powell being at 23%. Would you kill off Las Vegas, Phoenix, LA, and San Diego so people in the East can have cheap lettuce?
One huge problem is that the Arizona sun causes tremendous evaporation from the lakes' surface. Some say evaporation could be as high as 15-20%. Covering the extensive canal systems would reduce evaporation, but it would be very expensive. One deep lake would evaporate less than three shallower ones because it has less surface area, but that raises all sorts of political problems. One of the artificial lakes should be closed, but which one?
One proposal is to apply a chemical layer to the water's surface to reduce evaporation, but you have to be very careful when doing anything that could affect forty million people. Tucson's disastrous attempt to add Colorado water to its drinking supply resulted in hundreds of millions in damages, as the mineral-hardened water destroyed antiquated city pipes and residents' water heaters and pool filters in the early 1990s and changed the city water to a rust-filled substance you couldn't drink or wash clothes in.
Tucson is certified to have sufficient water for the next 100 years, one of only a handful of larger cities in the West with that certification.
Quote: billryanQuote: 100xOddsAt what point will the govt Let Vegas die to help Lake Meade?
(There's gambling everywhere else in the country and It's already dying financially.)
Use Lake Meade's water just for agriculture
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Would you kill off Las Vegas, Phoenix, LA, and San Diego so people in the East can have cheap lettuce?
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Yes. And this Eaterner doesn't even eat lettuce.
Quote: billryanQuote: 100xOddsAt what point will the govt Let Vegas die to help Lake Meade?
(There's gambling everywhere else in the country and It's already dying financially.)
Use Lake Meade's water just for agriculture
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Forty million Americans, and who knows how many Mexicans, depend on the Colorado River for water. Lake Powell, Lake Mead, and Lake Mohave are simply reservoirs of its water. In Arizona, the city of Page gets 100% of its water from Lake Powell, and it may lose access to it within the next few years. The federal government already reworked the pumps this year to account for Lake Powell being at 23%. Would you kill off Las Vegas, Phoenix, LA, and San Diego so people in the East can have cheap lettuce?
One huge problem is that the Arizona sun causes tremendous evaporation from the lakes' surface. Some say evaporation could be as high as 15-20%. Covering the extensive canal systems would reduce evaporation, but it would be very expensive. One deep lake would evaporate less than three shallower ones because it has less surface area, but that raises all sorts of political problems. One of the artificial lakes should be closed, but which one?
One proposal is to apply a chemical layer to the water's surface to reduce evaporation, but you have to be very careful when doing anything that could affect forty million people. Tucson's disastrous attempt to add Colorado water to its drinking supply resulted in hundreds of millions in damages, as the mineral-hardened water destroyed antiquated city pipes and residents' water heaters and pool filters in the early 1990s and changed the city water to a rust-filled substance you couldn't drink or wash clothes in.
Tucson is certified to have sufficient water for the next 100 years, one of only a handful of larger cities in the West with that certification.
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Man was not supposed to live in the desert! Yet from Vegas to Israel to Arab Middle East he is piling in! Israel seems to have cracked the code, but it would not scale to the American Southwest. I have to wonder it said ASW empties over the next 100 years as it filled the last 100.
Quote: billryanQuote: 100xOddsAt what point will the govt Let Vegas die to help Lake Meade?
(There's gambling everywhere else in the country and It's already dying financially.)
Use Lake Meade's water just for agriculture
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Forty million Americans, and who knows how many Mexicans, depend on the Colorado River for water. Lake Powell, Lake Mead, and Lake Mohave are simply reservoirs of its water. In Arizona, the city of Page gets 100% of its water from Lake Powell, and it may lose access to it within the next few years. The federal government already reworked the pumps this year to account for Lake Powell being at 23%. Would you kill off Las Vegas, Phoenix, LA, and San Diego so people in the East can have cheap lettuce?
One huge problem is that the Arizona sun causes tremendous evaporation from the lakes' surface. Some say evaporation could be as high as 15-20%. Covering the extensive canal systems would reduce evaporation, but it would be very expensive. One deep lake would evaporate less than three shallower ones because it has less surface area, but that raises all sorts of political problems. One of the artificial lakes should be closed, but which one?
One proposal is to apply a chemical layer to the water's surface to reduce evaporation, but you have to be very careful when doing anything that could affect forty million people. Tucson's disastrous attempt to add Colorado water to its drinking supply resulted in hundreds of millions in damages, as the mineral-hardened water destroyed antiquated city pipes and residents' water heaters and pool filters in the early 1990s and changed the city water to a rust-filled substance you couldn't drink or wash clothes in.
Tucson is certified to have sufficient water for the next 100 years, one of only a handful of larger cities in the West with that certification.
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Man was not supposed to live in the desert! Yet from Vegas to Israel to Arab Middle East he is piling in! Israel seems to have cracked the code, but it would not scale to the American Southwest. I have to wonder it said ASW empties over the next 100 years as it filled the last 100.
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: billryanQuote: 100xOddsAt what point will the govt Let Vegas die to help Lake Meade?
(There's gambling everywhere else in the country and It's already dying financially.)
Use Lake Meade's water just for agriculture
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Forty million Americans, and who knows how many Mexicans, depend on the Colorado River for water. Lake Powell, Lake Mead, and Lake Mohave are simply reservoirs of its water. In Arizona, the city of Page gets 100% of its water from Lake Powell, and it may lose access to it within the next few years. The federal government already reworked the pumps this year to account for Lake Powell being at 23%. Would you kill off Las Vegas, Phoenix, LA, and San Diego so people in the East can have cheap lettuce?
One huge problem is that the Arizona sun causes tremendous evaporation from the lakes' surface. Some say evaporation could be as high as 15-20%. Covering the extensive canal systems would reduce evaporation, but it would be very expensive. One deep lake would evaporate less than three shallower ones because it has less surface area, but that raises all sorts of political problems. One of the artificial lakes should be closed, but which one?
One proposal is to apply a chemical layer to the water's surface to reduce evaporation, but you have to be very careful when doing anything that could affect forty million people. Tucson's disastrous attempt to add Colorado water to its drinking supply resulted in hundreds of millions in damages, as the mineral-hardened water destroyed antiquated city pipes and residents' water heaters and pool filters in the early 1990s and changed the city water to a rust-filled substance you couldn't drink or wash clothes in.
Tucson is certified to have sufficient water for the next 100 years, one of only a handful of larger cities in the West with that certification.
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Man was not supposed to live in the desert! Yet from Vegas to Israel to Arab Middle East he is piling in! Israel seems to have cracked the code, but it would not scale to the American Southwest. I have to wonder it said ASW empties over the next 100 years as it filled the last 100.
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What, Las Vegas is less than 150 miles from the Pacific Ocean. How can we not have enough water?
Nuclear powered desalinators, man. Basically a still, but on the condenser side there's a water jacket and incoming water is routed through it, so it enters the evaporator at close to the same temperature as the condensed steam. That's called a counterflow heat exchanger. I've built many counterflow heat exchangers but for a different purpose. It's a very efficient device if done properly and it wouldn't take that many nukes to fulfill all our water needs.
Now what to do with the salt? We can probably scavenge some byproduct from it if it is cost effective. Maybe the lithium. The rest of it can be shipped north where it would be used for road deicing, or just put back in the ocean.
Quote: billryanIt's more like 250 miles, and the change in elevation is problematic.
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I've thought that it might be possible to send the steam to the top of the hill and let it condense there. Anything that condenses before the top can probably be diverted to one of the western reservoirs.
Someone steam-smarter than me might be able to figure out how to make it all work.
It would be a grand engineering project for sure. But we're always advancing in that way. Do you think one day they might have the ability to put a huge dam across the Colorado River to generate electricity too?
Hey I figured out what to do with the salt! Art project. We can make people-shaped pillars outside of San Francisco, looking back at the city.
Lake Mead’s surface elevation is approximately 1,037.6 feet above sea level as of October 9, 2026, marking a new all time record low since the reservoir first filled.
Current Water Level
• Elevation: 1,037.6 ft (Oct 9, 2026)
• Alternate recent readings: 1,037.61–1,037.84 ft depending on datum and measurement date (Oct 5–8, 2026)
• Status: Lowest level since the reservoir first filled in the 1940s; tied or setting new record lows.
Historical Context
• Record high: 1,225.83 ft (July 24, 1983)
• Initial filling low: 670.00 ft (Feb 2, 1935) — not comparable to modern operational levels.
• Previous modern low: 1,040.5 ft (July 28, 2022). The current level is ~3 ft below that.
Operational Thresholds
• Shortage Tier 1: 1,075 ft (currently ~37 ft below)
• Shortage Tier 2: 1,050 ft (currently ~12 ft below)
• Shortage Tier 3: 1,025 ft (currently ~12 ft above)
• Minimum power pool: 950 ft (87.6 ft above)
• Dead pool: 895 ft (142.6 ft above)
Trend
• 1 week change: about –0.27 ft
• 1 month change: about –1.27 ft
• 1 year change: about –20 ft
Lake Mead’s elevation continues to decline relative to long term averages, reflecting ongoing drought and reduced Colorado River inflows.
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Lake Mead height
Or maybe the mountains of brine should be shipped to Massachusetts where those evil, loathsome Bostonians - the pustulent satan-spawn of vermanity - roll around naked while lusting for lettuce. Why do Arizonians allow such effete lettuce-lusters to live? Surely, it is righteous for Arizonians to hate and hate and hate.*
Seriously, the villains of the western water situation are:
- the families and corporations that converted the deserts of California into vast water-gulping farms.
- the people who converted the deserts of Nevada and Arizona into dense population centers (Vegas, Phoenix, Tucson). It is not helpful to characterize the sun as the problem, it's the lack of plant life/vegetation in the area which would raise the humidity and lead to clouds - which would in turn solve the evaporation problem.
*This is satire, satirizing the tone of billryans post.
Didn't people in medieval times do salt ponds to get rich from the evaporated salt?
Quote: 100xOddsEvaporated Ocean salt is bad if consumed?
Didn't people in medieval times do salt ponds to get rich from the evaporated salt?
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Salt distributed and consumed in small quantities is good.
Seawater is not drinkable because . . . of salt. The Dead Sea is so named because of . . . high salinity. In fantasy novels, criminals are sentenced to work . . . in the salt mines.
If you dumped thousands of tons of salt back into the ocean near the desalination plant you would increase the local salinity of the ocean around the dumping point with very bad local effects on algae, seawater plant life, fish, crustaceans etc.
Mountains of brine on land + rain = salty rainwater draining into lakes and freshwater aquifers affecting the drinkability of water locally and damaging the environment.
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The miracle of life on Earth is enabled by (1) Evaporation of water from the oceans sending freshwater into the atmosphere (2) Cloud formation (3) Cloud movement over land masses, resulting in rain and the replenishment of freshwater lakes, rivers and underground aquifers. Note that during all of this that the salt stays in the ocean and the evaporation/desalination occurs over the entire surface area of the ocean, avoiding any localized concentration of high salinity.
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Didn't people in medieval times do salt ponds to get rich from the evaporated salt?
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Salt distributed and consumed in small quantities is good.
Seawater is not drinkable because . . . of salt. The Dead Sea is so named because of . . . high salinity. In fantasy novels, criminals are sentenced to work . . . in the salt mines.
If you dumped thousands of tons of salt back into the ocean near the desalination plant you would increase the local salinity of the ocean around the dumping point with very bad local effects on algae, seawater plant life, fish, crustaceans etc.
Mountains of brine on land + rain = salty rainwater draining into lakes and freshwater aquifers affecting the drinkability of water locally and damaging the environment.
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The miracle of life on Earth is enabled by (1) Evaporation of water from the oceans sending freshwater into the atmosphere (2) Cloud formation (3) Cloud movement over land masses, resulting in rain and the replenishment of freshwater lakes, rivers and underground aquifers. Note that during all of this that the salt stays in the ocean and the evaporation/desalination occurs over the entire surface area of the ocean, avoiding any localized concentration of high salinity.
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Someone should start research on using that brine. Surely some Walter White somewhere can figure the chemistry.
Quote: rxwineQuote:Las Vegas's explosive expansion has made Nevada the fastest-growing state in the United States over the last 55 years, with a whopping 572% population increase since 1970 driven almost entirely by the transformation of the Las Vegas valley
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The Phoenix area has seen similar growth. It had 400,000 people and is now pushing two million.
Quote: gordonm888Quote: 100xOddsEvaporated Ocean salt is bad if consumed?
Didn't people in medieval times do salt ponds to get rich from the evaporated salt?
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Salt distributed and consumed in small quantities is good.
Seawater is not drinkable because . . . of salt. The Dead Sea is so named because of . . . high salinity. In fantasy novels, criminals are sentenced to work . . . in the salt mines.
If you dumped thousands of tons of salt back into the ocean near the desalination plant you would increase the local salinity of the ocean around the dumping point with very bad local effects on algae, seawater plant life, fish, crustaceans etc.
Mountains of brine on land + rain = salty rainwater draining into lakes and freshwater aquifers affecting the drinkability of water locally and damaging the environment.
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The miracle of life on Earth is enabled by (1) Evaporation of water from the oceans sending freshwater into the atmosphere (2) Cloud formation (3) Cloud movement over land masses, resulting in rain and the replenishment of freshwater lakes, rivers and underground aquifers. Note that during all of this that the salt stays in the ocean and the evaporation/desalination occurs over the entire surface area of the ocean, avoiding any localized concentration of high salinity.
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I'd think there would be enough flow where it would be diluted to normal levels fairly quickly. Especially if you use a remote outfall. A sewage outfall only has to be a few miles out to sea before you don't get anything back on shore and I'd think with salt being so soluble the increase in concentration would be down in the noise even sooner.
Would the brine be good for salting the roads, they use alot of salt in the northeastQuote: gordonm888One problem with desalination of ocean water is the brine - the salt -that is left behind. It is nasty stuff, chemically inimical to life, and becomes surprisingly massive very quickly. Think literally mountains of brine. Wouldn't social justice principles require us to pile up the brine in Arizona and Nevada because these are the people who would benefit from the desalinated water?
Or maybe the mountains of brine should be shipped to Massachusetts where those evil, loathsome Bostonians - the pustulent satan-spawn of vermanity - roll around naked while lusting for lettuce. Why do Arizonians allow such effete lettuce-lusters to live? Surely, it is righteous for Arizonians to hate and hate and hate.*
Seriously, the villains of the western water situation are:
- the families and corporations that converted the deserts of California into vast water-gulping farms.
- the people who converted the deserts of Nevada and Arizona into dense population centers (Vegas, Phoenix, Tucson). It is not helpful to characterize the sun as the problem, it's the lack of plant life/vegetation in the area which would raise the humidity and lead to clouds - which would in turn solve the evaporation problem.
*This is satire, satirizing the tone of billryans post.
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Quote: HunterhillWould the brine be good for salting the roads, they use alot of salt in the northeastQuote: gordonm888One problem with desalination of ocean water is the brine - the salt -that is left behind. It is nasty stuff, chemically inimical to life, and becomes surprisingly massive very quickly. Think literally mountains of brine. Wouldn't social justice principles require us to pile up the brine in Arizona and Nevada because these are the people who would benefit from the desalinated water?
Or maybe the mountains of brine should be shipped to Massachusetts where those evil, loathsome Bostonians - the pustulent satan-spawn of vermanity - roll around naked while lusting for lettuce. Why do Arizonians allow such effete lettuce-lusters to live? Surely, it is righteous for Arizonians to hate and hate and hate.*
Seriously, the villains of the western water situation are:
- the families and corporations that converted the deserts of California into vast water-gulping farms.
- the people who converted the deserts of Nevada and Arizona into dense population centers (Vegas, Phoenix, Tucson). It is not helpful to characterize the sun as the problem, it's the lack of plant life/vegetation in the area which would raise the humidity and lead to clouds - which would in turn solve the evaporation problem.
*This is satire, satirizing the tone of billryans post.
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Transport would seem prohibitively expensive.
That said, one big salt is better than two little ones, so I say we drop it just east of Wendover.
Quote: HunterhillWould the brine be good for salting the roads, they use alot of salt in the northeastQuote: gordonm888One problem with desalination of ocean water is the brine - the salt -that is left behind. It is nasty stuff, chemically inimical to life, and becomes surprisingly massive very quickly. Think literally mountains of brine. Wouldn't social justice principles require us to pile up the brine in Arizona and Nevada because these are the people who would benefit from the desalinated water?
Or maybe the mountains of brine should be shipped to Massachusetts where those evil, loathsome Bostonians - the pustulent satan-spawn of vermanity - roll around naked while lusting for lettuce. Why do Arizonians allow such effete lettuce-lusters to live? Surely, it is righteous for Arizonians to hate and hate and hate.*
Seriously, the villains of the western water situation are:
- the families and corporations that converted the deserts of California into vast water-gulping farms.
- the people who converted the deserts of Nevada and Arizona into dense population centers (Vegas, Phoenix, Tucson). It is not helpful to characterize the sun as the problem, it's the lack of plant life/vegetation in the area which would raise the humidity and lead to clouds - which would in turn solve the evaporation problem.
*This is satire, satirizing the tone of billryans post.
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No. It would mean pouring a liquid all over the roads. Problematic for multiple reasons.
We have found uses for other waste products, it is just a matter of researching what could be done with it. Chlorine for pools seems a logical thing if you could break the chemical bond. Also for other cleaning uses.
Quote: AutomaticMonkeyHey I'm trying to build a big spaceship, and for the hull I need an inexpensive and plentiful material that's about 20% less dense than aluminum and a melting point about 140 C higher than aluminum. Any suggestions?
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I'm not a materials scientist. But there are some carbon composites, including some that are reinforced with nanofibers, that are very strong and with higher operating temperatures than Al alloys. Perhaps do some research on materials of construction for high tech drones and manned aircraft.
There are glass composites, such as are used for the hulls of speed boats, but carbon composites are stronger and generally have higher performance.
Martensitic steel is very strong and would enable you to make the hull thinner; and has a higher MP. High speed rotors used in gas centrifuges for uranium enrichment have to be strong and light and were originally made of aluminum alloys, but were switched to martensitic steel because it is so strong and enables thinner lighter rotors.
Having said that, there are some alloys of aluminum that are pretty strong. Weldability is always an issue with aluminum. I've assuming you have already looked at titanium which is not inexpensive.
