SAMIAM
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August 6th, 2016 at 4:29:17 PM permalink
Quote: FatGeezus

They could not close down tomorrow. They have to give the workers 60 days notice. That's what happened to me.

I was a supervisor in the data center for a fortune 500 company. They were starting to downsize. One day my boss came into my office and told me that I was being "INVOLUNTARILY TERMINATED". A politically correct term for YOU'RE FIRED. They were afraid that I would do something to sabotage the data center. I was told to pack my things and they escorted me out the door. I was told that I would be paid for the next 60 days.

In hindsight, without going into details, it was the best thing that ever happened to me.



I had a friend working for a 500 company. Came to work one day and his card key would not work at the front door. Need I finish ?
AZDuffman
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August 6th, 2016 at 4:39:10 PM permalink
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The union supported Obama care yet they screamed when it looked like they had to be part of it.



I smile every time I hear of that happening to a union!

I never got the whole benefit of unions taking member dues to get Obamacare, or a higher minimum wage, or some other law passed. I mean, if everyone has health coverage then what on earth are the members paying dues for?
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August 6th, 2016 at 4:42:15 PM permalink
Unions are the scam of scams that's why the mob was always involved in them- I had no choice but to join when I was 16 and a cashier at a food store it was a total scam then as well and I got nothing basically and paid dues that I couldn't afford and initiation fee/ total bull
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August 6th, 2016 at 4:49:39 PM permalink
My two cents is that workers should have every right to organize and labor should have every right to fire them if they strike.

My question is what is the reason the Taj doesn't do as the Frontier did by firing striking workers and replacing them by non-union labor? Possible answer:

1. No worker would dare cross the picket line.
2. It would break the law (please specify which law).
3. Not enough time to train new staff.
4. They were going to go out of business anyway -- why put it off.

Thank you.
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August 6th, 2016 at 4:52:21 PM permalink
I'm guessing it could be a problem because Icahn owns the trop which is the same Union
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August 6th, 2016 at 5:15:28 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

My two cents is that workers should have every right to organize and labor should have every right to fire them if they strike.

My question is what is the reason the Taj doesn't do as the Frontier did by firing striking workers and replacing them by non-union labor? Possible answer:

1. No worker would dare cross the picket line.
2. It would break the law (please specify which law).
3. Not enough time to train new staff.
4. They were going to go out of business anyway -- why put it off.

Thank you.



It is a mix. In some strikes you cross the line at considerable peril. OTOH, it is not near as bad as it used to be. If things are bad, workers cross. Has basically always happened and always will. Some places you had better really consider it, but I knew people who had to cross to keep food in the fridge. It would come down to how long the union could take dues from other workers they represent to subsidize the striking workers. I have seen and was very shortly on an informational picket line. I did not last because you really get just dregs of society, willing to stand around for minimum wage. Eventually the union usually gives up throwing money away, the people that need taken care of have been and it all ends.

It would not break a law. IIRC they have to offer the union members the right to cross, but as it should be if workers strike they can be replaced. The Casino would have to negotiate "in good faith" but you can drive a F-350 thru that loophole with room to spare.

Training new staff an issue but at that skill level not the biggest issue. Continental trained all kinds of new staff to crush a strike a generation ago. Time hard to say how much they had and what you are asking. Did they have a bond payment due? Big conventions?

Which brings us to #4 and IMHO what did it. I have not been there in 20 years but the comments indicate it has not been updated since. When you break a strike in this fashion you take a PR beating. Not as bad as 30 years ago, but you take a beating. Maybe 1 in 5 people will just never consider you for doing business if you consider 10% unionization in the USA, half those being militant, and then add in friends, family, and people brought up union and have never changed. One way to make that up is low prices. This cheapens your image. Lets go back to Continental Airlines. They had a decade of surviving on low fares. Taj would end up having to do something similar.

This happens every now and then. Remember Hostess? Crazy union demands, management finally said it was over. Some unions, and UNITE Here is one of the far more socialist ones, just do not get to get good wages the boss has to make money. Walter Reuther famously said that, yet it is forgotten. There is a macho thing about striking, "bringing the greedy company to its knees." The union always thinks the company is crying wolf. Sometimes, the wolf finally comes.
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SAMIAM
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August 8th, 2016 at 8:14:33 PM permalink
The reason the mobs originally got in with the unions, was because the striking workers needed protection from company thugs, most of whom were in law enforcement.
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August 10th, 2016 at 8:14:22 AM permalink
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I don't know but I would pay close attention to whatever they do. Often when a casino goes out of business they give away the progressive money in a drawing just before closing. Such drawings can be very positive EV.

Atlantic club did NOT give out all their progressive money.

And The Revel I don't think they did either.

No one can show me anything that says they have to.
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August 10th, 2016 at 9:01:34 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Atlantic club did NOT give out all their progressive money.

And The Revel I don't think they did either.

No one can show me anything that says they have to.

Both closed in bankruptcy and were given an out. No telling what will happen there in the wild, wild ac.
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August 10th, 2016 at 9:21:11 AM permalink
I thought I remembered Atlantic Club having a bunch of drawings for free play right before they closed to give away progressives.
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