Ibeatyouraces
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December 24th, 2013 at 7:25:24 PM permalink
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AlanMendelson
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December 24th, 2013 at 7:51:15 PM permalink
In this game, triple double bonus, you would hold a kicker with three aces because that is the equivalent of having a four-card royal flush draw as quad aces with a kicker pays the same as a royal flush.
Ibeatyouraces
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December 24th, 2013 at 7:56:08 PM permalink
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AlanMendelson
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December 24th, 2013 at 8:08:03 PM permalink
If you want to see why I am giving Rob such a hard time about how he played this particular hand look at the interviews I did with him about his "special plays" for Triple Double Bonus when dealt three aces with a kicker, or hand like the one in the photo -- three small cards with a kicker. Those are videos #15 and #16 here: http://alanbestbuys.com/id195.html

Rob never mentioned before about violating his "special play rules" when he was deep in the hole, losing about $10K.

Like I said on my forum, too many inconsistencies and strategy adjustments for non-Rob Singers to follow. You really have to be Rob to follow Rob's play.
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December 24th, 2013 at 8:18:36 PM permalink
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AlanMendelson
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December 24th, 2013 at 10:02:42 PM permalink
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Had he, or whoever, hit the draw button just a nanosecond earlier or later, that 3s would probably never shown up.



Correct. And he needed perfect timing to hit his quad on the draw, too.

There is just a lot of luck involved in video poker. Playing video poker is not a 'test" of correct strategy -- it's hoping the RNG will cooperate with your strategy.
thecesspit
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December 24th, 2013 at 11:29:29 PM permalink
This story is Singer all over. But also highlights the problem with his special plays. Some times they increase the chance of a hit at the cost of expected value. Sometimes they decrease the chance of a win, hoping for a bigger result. There's no consistency in his methods, and he cannot (or will not) discuss the mathematics behind them that he claims he has processed and done.

Like Colonel Kurtz... he was derided for his unsound methods... but I can see no method at all.

His methods are meaningless with his belief of the 'fourth card flip over' and the machines not being random (see the German test bed he 'used'... but cannot provide details of). Or his increase on a loss systems, which when I played with in a simulation were -terrible- at getting the results he claimed.

There's such a mishmash of ideas, and you can follow a merry go around when you try to follow them. One other poster has supported his claimed system, but was found to be faking his wins. Singer is never going to be believed in general. The fact he still tries to be believed speaks volumes.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
AxelWolf
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December 24th, 2013 at 11:45:17 PM permalink
Alan I'm not sure if you know the answers, but let me ask a few question if you don't mind.

Other then play his system what dose he try to do with it? Dose he sell it? Dose he get suckers to put up money to play it for them and take a cut? Dose he use it as a tool for books or consulting?

Who and what challenges have been made? Has he ever accepted any? Will he take any? Will he show anyone his system?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
AlanMendelson
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December 25th, 2013 at 12:13:25 AM permalink
These questions would best be answered by Rob, but I will take a stab at answering them based on what I know.

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Other then play his system what dose he try to do with it?



He did write and publish two books (short, not packed with facts) and he did have a website about his strategies and system, but that website was taken down by him when he "retired." One of the reasons why I approached him to do the videos was because there was no single place (book or website) where you could see his "special plays" explained in one place

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Dose he sell it?



He sold his books, and also gave them away. He doesn't sell his system, and freely will give lessons -- he says -- to anyone who wants to learn it.

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Dose he get suckers to put up money to play it for them and take a cut?



There have been allegations about this, but I don't think it ever happened. I spoke to Rob about this and he denies it and I believe him. And if it really did happen why hasn't someone come forward and said "yeah, it was me." No one has.

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Dose he use it as a tool for books or consulting?



I mentioned the two books, he also wrote a video poker column for Gaming Today and he says he was asked to author another article in GT.

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Who and what challenges have been made?



Many challenges have been made but none has come to be played out because there has always been a dispute over a bet, or side bet, or rules of the challenge. About two years ago (I think it was that long ago) there was a big challenge fight between some posters there who said Rob couldnt win or do what he said ... but Rob demanded a certain amount of money be put up for the challenge and it didn't happen.

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Has he ever accepted any?



I think Rob would accept all sorts of challenges or requests but you will find they are always on his terms, and I can't speak as to what his terms are.

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Will he take any?



As I said above, you'll have to ask him what his terms are.

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Will he show anyone his system?



Rob has offered to show his system in detail to several people who refused the invitation. I know this for a fact, including his offer to show Frank Kneeland his system in detail. Frank would not sit with Rob and learn it. Frank had his own questions he wanted to ask and really wasn't interested in learning what Rob's system was about. I spoke many times with Frank and even had lunch with him to discuss Rob's system and Frank really wasn't interested in Rob's system -- he was more concerned about how Rob's system might help prevent gambling addiction. Unfortunately Frank could have been a good independent appraiser of what Rob's system is and what it can and cannot do.

Rob also says he approached the Wizard about showing him his system and I am not familiar with the details so I will defer to the Wiz or others to comment.

As I wrote on my website and said in my video conversations with Rob -- his system is not totally off the wall or crazy. There are a lot of good ideas there. I do not accept his claims about rigged machines but I do think some of his "special plays" do have a certain value in certain situations -- however I mostly play conventional, standard video poker. I think Rob's ideas about win goals is excellent, but I think he needs to change his ideas about loss limits. It bothers me that someone would takes $30,000 or more to a casino with the idea of just winning $1,000.

I have often said that Rob is his own worst enemy. If he treated people with respect, his ideas would get more respect. And some of his ideas do deserve respect. But some of his claims either need to be toned down or dropped because he is yet to present the supporting evidence. There are hundreds of posts on my Forum about the "missing proof" over some of his claims.
AxelWolf
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December 25th, 2013 at 12:35:20 AM permalink
Alan, Has anyone just offered to watch him play his system, not totally learn it(because it seems like it's a gut instinct system possibly a machine Marty type with a win or loss goal) just confirm it seems to be working. I would be willing to watch this system with an as open mind as I could. I have known crazier people actually find gaffed machines.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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