10splitter
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January 20th, 2021 at 4:17:10 PM permalink
hi Michael, what are your views on blackjack training schools such as the blackjack apprenticeship boot camp? Is it worth paying 500 bucks (+ expenses) for this type of tuition or would I become just as good a player after a period of disciplined home study and practice?
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January 20th, 2021 at 6:03:10 PM permalink
There is nothing they can teach you that you can't learn online or via books. Remember... Those that can, do. Those that can't, teach. :)


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January 20th, 2021 at 6:05:36 PM permalink
I know you asked Michael but my two cents is it depends on you unless youíre asking if they are legitimate experts. You can definitely learn card counting on your own but are you the type to learn things well on your own? Either way they will give you real world tips, tricks and hardcore practice that will increase your EV so the short answer is it will pay for itself if you absorb what they teach you and increase your EV over what you would have made on your own. They will likely teach you things you canít learn on the internet and point out any costly mistakes youíre making and donít realize. I personally learned on my own but I was also the type to not pay attention in school and learn things on my own (still got good grades). CC is not easy, it requires extreme discipline (especially emotional), and it takes many many hours of play to see results. Iíll say this...if you donít have at least a few hundred hours (at the tables) a year to play and a decent sized bankroll I wouldnít do the boot camp right now but it all depends on your situation.
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January 20th, 2021 at 6:22:49 PM permalink
Quote: 10splitter

... would I become just as good a player after a period of disciplined home study and practice?

Yes.
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January 20th, 2021 at 7:29:12 PM permalink
Do you split 10's at the $250 table max? If so, you can buy the training materials.
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January 20th, 2021 at 7:40:49 PM permalink
If you are willing to commit a couple hundred hours you can learn on your own at home.
Living longer does not always infer +EV
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January 20th, 2021 at 8:01:06 PM permalink
If you don't have the ability and self-discipline needed to teach yourself, using the resources available via amazon and on the internet for free, the chances of you learning in a weeklong school are not very high.
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January 20th, 2021 at 8:28:15 PM permalink
Quote: 10splitter

hi Michael, what are your views on blackjack training schools such as the blackjack apprenticeship boot camp? Is it worth paying 500 bucks (+ expenses) for this type of tuition or would I become just as good a player after a period of disciplined home study and practice?



I think that is probably a good program, but I don't recommend card counting in general. Even if you do want to learn it, you can easily teach yourself out of a book. I recommend you learn the basics, in particular the plus-minus count, and see how it works for you. If you want to go beyond that, then I would consider BA.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
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January 21st, 2021 at 12:08:33 AM permalink
Michael, Iím curious...why donít you recommend card counting in general? Back offs and variance?
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January 21st, 2021 at 5:46:22 AM permalink
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Michael, Iím curious...why donít you recommend card counting in general? Back offs and variance?



That's certainly a big part of it. Also, the advantage is too small. I think there are stronger and easier forms of advantage play out there.
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