Cant edit anymore?
Quote: boymimboI think the non-Zugas are in general agreement that well-established members should have an unlimited edit capability. Of course that means programming. Because you've added programming for editing at one hour for all users (not administrators), you should be able to add some programming linked to (a) the number of posts made (b) the length of time the user has been a member. Given that you already have an algorithm linked to making new posts and the length of membership I think you already have the programming available to modify the time edit length, from one hour (new members) to infinity (old fogies).
I am NOT in agreement with that. Yes, maybe a few posters could be given some special editing privileges or have their specific post be editable, but I do not think long time users should be able to go back and edit or even delete all of their posts. I have seen too many times someone changing content and information, even after people have commented. Sometimes to save them from getting suspended even though they already committed the offence and people saw it.
Can you edit an email after you've sent it? Can you edit a letter after you've mailed it? Can you edit a text after you've delivered it?
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13In my opinion changing content after people have already read it and responded to it should not be allowed. But of course, that's just one mans opinion.
My interest wanes with more people who hold this opinion dominating the forum.
It already began to wane with the slowness introduced as part of the transition to the new format.
I run phpBB forums (multiple of them) that I manage myself.
I often find myself scratching my head for some things.
But let me leave you with just one.
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I apologize if anyone finds this image unusually offensive, and if I am nuked for posting this image, I deserve it.
Quote: ZugaGive me a break... Not a matter of life or death. Its a weekend so i forgot....not a big deal. Not sure why some of you have a tendency to take things like its an end of the world.
This was done for the protection of the site. Its that simple.
"Life is not as serious as the mind makes it out to be."
Eckhart tolle
Quote: kobalj"Life is not as serious as the mind makes it out to be."
Eckhart tolle
Life, my friend, is as serious as it gets. Period.
Quote: AhighMy interest wanes with more people who hold this opinion dominating the forum.
It already began to wane with the slowness introduced as part of the transition to the new format.
I run phpBB forums (multiple of them) that I manage myself.
I often find myself scratching my head for some things.
But let me leave you with just one.
[IMG]http://i60.tinypic.com/i3uhpg.png[/IMG]
I apologize if anyone finds this image unusually offensive, and if I am nuked for posting this image, I deserve it.
You did that wrong, let me fix it for you since it is past edit time.
so the edit restrictions are to stay and I really got nothing else to add to what I already stated in my initial post as to our reasons for it.
However We r contemplating to increase the edit time.
Let me stress out that it wont not be prolonged to days. Great majority of forums have it set to anywhere from half an hour to few hours.
We are also going to look into implementing the spellcheck , so that should do the trick and resolve most of the issues mentioned here.
Don't post.
(edit ) Bye
wtf?
have u gone off the deep end?
Quote: djatcYou're telling me i can't edit this post?
Why mess with perfection?
ZCore13
Quote: darkozIn the end it's a Boston Tea Party sort of thing.
Give me unlimited editing or give me death!
Besides, why does it even matter if links escape the mods for "weeks" or "months"? Just delete them when you find them anyways, and move on.
Honestly i am pretty surprised by the reaction of some members here. This is a common thing that majority of forums have. And now there is plenty of time to edit and change the spelling etc. Plus we will implement the spellcheck.
ALl i can think of is that some ppl just love the bitch for the sake of bitching. And thats the fact.
As far as the spam links, it does matter if its caught on time ( prevented ) or caught after month or monthS. It does matter to SEO ( even tho the links are no followed ) , plus we do not want any kind of spam links or unsolicited advertising period. We always ran a clean forum ( LCB ) and same now applies to WoV. And this way it saves a lot of work for Admins.
So this was done for the forum, was not meant to "upset" some , it was meant to protect WoV. If you dont get that too bad as I m not going to waste any more time explaining.
I have accepted some of the members' arguments and increased the edit time. I dont think anyone can argue now they dont have enough time to edit their posts.
cheers
Zuga
Quote: Zugathis is just one of the means to prevent spam and abuse ( constant editing by some members and potentially changing what was initially said ). And we had that case of the hacked account when all posts were deleted.
Honestly i am pretty surprised by the reaction of some members here. This is a common thing that majority of forums have. And now there is plenty of time to edit and change the spelling etc. Plus we will implement the spellcheck.
ALl i can think of is that some ppl just love the bitch for the sake of bitching. And thats the fact.
As far as the spam links, it does matter if its caught on time ( prevented ) or caught after month or monthS. It does matter to SEO ( even tho the links are no followed ) , plus we do not want any kind of spam links or unsolicited advertising period. We always ran a clean forum ( LCB ) and same now applies to WoV. And this way it saves a lot of work for Admins.
So this was done for the forum, was not meant to "upset" some , it was meant to protect WoV. If you dont get that too bad as I m not going to waste any more time explaining.
I have accepted some of the members' arguments and increased the edit time. I dont think anyone can argue now they dont have enough time to edit their posts.
cheers
Zuga
Good job. You were way to lenient. Except for a few that keep a running post on chips and that sort of things, the loudest complainer (s) are usually the worst offenders. Ahigh five to you!
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13Good job. You were way to lenient. Except for a few that keep a running post on chips and that sort of things, the loudest complainer (s) are usually the worst offenders. Ahigh five to you!
ZCore13
You still have time to edit your post. You accidentally typed ahigh five when you must have meant 'a high five'?!?!!!!!!
Quote: SOOPOOYou still have time to edit your post. You accidentally typed ahigh five when you must have meant 'a high five'?!?!!!!!!
I thought it was pretty clever.
Quote: Ahigh<deleted>
These posts of Ahigh's is what happens
when he doesn't get his way. Please
remember, for context, he is president
of a Vegas corporation.
Quote: AhighQuote: EvenBobThese posts of Ahigh's is what happens
when he doesn't get his way. Please
remember, for context, he is president
of a Vegas corporation.
<deleted>
Your self control under the circumstances should be applauded.
Quote: redjohnQuote: AhighQuote: EvenBobThese posts of Ahigh's is what happens
when he doesn't get his way. Please
remember, for context, he is president
of a Vegas corporation.
<deleted>
Your self control under the circumstances should be applauded.
I assume you are referring to EvenBob's?
ZCore13
Quote: MathExtremistIt's not a question of feeling. US copyright law is very clear on the question of ownership of original works of authorship: if you're the original author, the copyright is yours.
Further, and likely problematically for Zuga and the new owners, there is no ToS for this forum (that I can find) that grants a content license to WizardofVegas.com for those original works of authorship.
And though I'm not an attorney, it would seem that imposition of a new ToS granting a permanent content license would inherently come with the ability to opt-out -- and thereby remove all prior content offered up without such a permanent license. If I understand correctly, without an actual agreement that what gets posted stays on the site forever, Ahigh would be well within his rights to demand a takedown of all his content.
I then went to another forum, TripAdvisor, and their policies say that you can edit for a certain amount of time and then you can delete any post by following a defined process. If that forum thought that they owned the work, they would not grant a way for it to be deleted just because the author wants to do so...there would be no need for the author to have the ability to delete something if he did not own it.
My opinion is evolving and I now would say that the unlimited editing protected the owner of the material--the original poster. Limiting editing and not providing a way to delete or alter it may not. Maybe there is a lawyer that can answer the question better than ME, but he did a darn good job in convincing me.
At first, I just brushed over this thread and didn't think much of it. Now I have come to realize that this represents a major policy change. And WoV didn't announce this way in advance and give members a chance to get out. This could still be rectified though,
Wizard. You should give members the option of having their accounts deleted along with all their posts on this site. In fact, you might even required by law to do so.
Trust me i do get the passion members here have, and i can understand why Ahigh or someone else would feel this way about their posts .
At the same time i do have a responsibility to protect WoV and members from :
a. spammers
b. abuse
What we are going to do is allow back full edit for all the posts made prior x date ( e.g. all posts made prior 21.10.2015. will always editable at any given time ). But all the posts made starting 21.10.2015 and onwards will have the edit time restriction.
This way we will prevent any new potential spam and unsolicited advertising and/or abuse but still allow old content to be editable.
cheers
Zuga
Quote: EvenBobThese posts of Ahigh's is what happens
when he doesn't get his way. Please
remember, for context, he is president
of a Vegas corporation.
whao.. what!?
when did he get promoted to pres of Ntek?
Quote: 100xOddswhao.. what!?
when did he get promoted to pres of Ntek?
Last month. I'm guessing it was more of a money saving move then anything. When your financials have no income and huge expenses, you dump high salaries and make someone do 2 jobs for the price of one.
And it's not NTEK. It's the gaming division that NTEK spun off.
ZCore13
Quote: Zuga
What we are going to do is allow back full edit for all the posts made prior x date ( e.g. all posts made prior 21.10.2015. will always editable at any given time ). But all the posts made starting 21.10.2015 and onwards will have the edit time restriction.
Zuga
This doesn't really change anything. People
are more concerned about editing what they
write now in the future, who really cares about
something they wrote a year ago.
Quote: EvenBobThis doesn't really change anything. People
are more concerned about editing what they
write now in the future, who really cares about
something they wrote a year ago.
well some obviously do care about what they wrote a year ago.... As far as the new posts made, the courtesy edit time is 12 hrs which I believe is more than plenty to make necessary changes.
Quote: Zugai have given this topic some serious thinking as some new valid arguments were posted.
Trust me i do get the passion members here have, and i can understand why Ahigh or someone else would feel this way about their posts .
At the same time i do have a responsibility to protect WoV and members from :
a. spammers
b. abuse
What we are going to do is allow back full edit for all the posts made prior x date ( e.g. all posts made prior 21.10.2015. will always editable at any given time ). But all the posts made starting 21.10.2015 and onwards will have the edit time restriction.
This way we will prevent any new potential spam and unsolicited advertising and/or abuse but still allow old content to be editable.
cheers
Zuga
Thank you for re-thinking your position, admirable.
You may still experience a decrease in posts going forward, or a certain livelihood or 'color' in the posts that are made. I assume that, for the most part, more posts are better than less for the site (mine excluded of course ;-) It will be interesting to see if this latest position winds up being re-thought again, but youz guys keep on trying.
And for that you deserve kudos, and big thanks!
<Edit> it's hard to herd cats. Same for robbers, bandits and thieves. Same for pirates, gypsies, and slave traders. Same for gamblers and those that discuss them....
Whatever happened to the "my house my rules" bandwagon? Where are all the people who used to say that every time a question arose? There were many. Is that not still the case? Shouldn't it still be my house my rules albeit with new owners? Perhaps the new owners are too polite to say that to us.
We don't pay membership fees and we don't own stock in this forum so I think it's pretty nice that we are allowed to voice our opinions and to have the owners respond.
Quote: 1BBI use the edit feature to correct the rare mistake or to better present my posts but I've never needed anywhere near 12 hours. It's more like 12 minutes. What, you thought this silver tongue just happened ? :-)
Whatever happened to the "my house my rules" bandwagon? Where are all the people who used to say that every time a question arose? There were many. Is that not still the case? Shouldn't it still be my house my rules albeit with new owners? Perhaps the new owners are too polite to say that to us.
We don't pay membership fees and we don't own stock in this forum so I think it's pretty nice that we are allowed to voice our opinions and to have the owners respond.
I agree 100%.
ZCore13
And I thought you just extemporaneously whipped all that stuff out w/o any editing needed. Now your reputation is tarnished for me ;-)Quote: 1BBI use the edit feature to correct the rare mistake or to better present my posts but I've never needed anywhere near 12 hours. It's more like 12 minutes. What, you thought this silver tongue just happened ? :-)
Quote: 1BB
Whatever happened to the "my house my rules" bandwagon? Where are all the people who used to say that every time a question arose? There were many. Is that not still the case? Shouldn't it still be my house my rules albeit with new owners? Perhaps the new owners are too polite to say that to us.
I may be wrong, but I think it was more a case of changing the policy retroactively that garnered the attention. It was for me at least.
Quote: 1BB
We don't pay membership fees and we don't own stock in this forum so I think it's pretty nice that we are allowed to voice our opinions and to have the owners respond.
Completely agree here, except 'pretty damn fantastic' is more powerful than 'pretty nice'. 2F
Quote: Zcore13Last month. I'm guessing it was more of a money saving move then anything. When your financials have no income and huge expenses, you dump high salaries and make someone do 2 jobs for the price of one.
And it's not NTEK. It's the gaming division that NTEK spun off.
ZCore13
You don't need to guess. There was a press release.
http://nanotechgaming521.newswire.com/press-release/nanotech-gaming-announces-promotion-of-aaron-hightower-to
I'm guessing that you guessed instead of looking this up (what Al said about why I was promoted) in order to put a disparaging spin on your comments.
Just to level the playing field, we all know that I am actually Aaron Hightower, the person listed in the press release.
In the context of this disparaging remark directed at me personally, it should be known that the person making these remarks is(redacted).
I think it's only fair that if you make statements that could DAMAGE my business, we should at least know the business that you are affiliated with when considering any motivation you might have to make such comments.
I do associate your personal comments with (redacted) simply because you work there just as you associate mine with NanoTech Gaming considering that I work here.
Thanks everyone for their appreciation and understanding.
I would further like to put it on record that the probability I would have any problem with the edit policies would not be such if there were not a previous incident between myself and Zcore that got very nasty in my opinion.
Those incidents are all up on this forum for public review.
And while I am hiding nothing, I do edit my posts for the benefit of myself and my business both which are represented in my statements on this forum. And Zcore has made the point that he feels that HOW I do that is a problem.
I disagree. And that's just how I do things.
Quote: AhighYou don't need to guess. There was a press release.
http://nanotechgaming521.newswire.com/press-release/nanotech-gaming-announces-promotion-of-aaron-hightower-to
I'm guessing that you guessed instead of looking this up (what Al said about why I was promoted) in order to put a disparaging spin on your comments.
Just to level the playing field, we all know that I am actually Aaron Hightower, the person listed in the press release.
In the context of this disparaging remark directed at me personally, it should be known that the person making these remarks is (redacted).
I think it's only fair that if you make statements that could DAMAGE my business, we should at least know the business that you are affiliated with when considering any motivation you might have to make such comments.
I do associate your personal comments with (redacted) simply because you work there just as you associate mine with NanoTech Gaming considering that I work here.
Thanks everyone for their appreciation and understanding.
Quoted. A fine line you are walking here perhaps, both of you. Take a deep breath. JMHO
Quote: IbeatyouracesSome people need to grow some skin. I swear, is this second grade?
Amazing isn't it?
ZCore13
