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55 votes (70.51%)
13 votes (16.66%)
5 votes (6.41%)
2 votes (2.56%)
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Sonuvabish
Sonuvabish
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March 27th, 2014 at 11:05:45 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Using this site to sell anything, unless with prior permission, is prohibited. Two things that will result in an immediate nuke are system selling under any circumstances and if a member's first post is commercial spam.



Yes, I believe I read that at some point now that you mention it. However, I also believe that asking for investment is not an auto-nuke...and I would classify it as the same thing, a scam.

As 1BB mentions, perhaps changing the Betting System thread to Voodoo and adding a disclaimer (and moving posts) is the solution here, if it is your good name that is the concern. I never read any of gr8's posts, but if he was refusing to acknowledge his system didn't work and led a campaign of deceptive posts, it would have called for a ban in my book.
chickenman
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March 27th, 2014 at 11:14:56 AM permalink
My recollection from a very cursory reading of Gr8's posts is mostly one of hocus pocus trend guessing coupled with some sort of money management, never anything specific despite endless calls for specifics. Seems many members concluded some sort of negative progression. His "proof" was his stated 53% strike rate that diluted all criticism in his eyes. The take home message for me is he just wanted to chat and have camaraderie, maybe liked the attention. He was typically respectful and a very good writer and the loss here is he never wrote outside the Bac vein on other topics that would have been more readily received.
Sonuvabish
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March 27th, 2014 at 11:21:54 AM permalink
It's highly doubtful he was anywhere close to the mark he claimed. Someone meticulous enough to record his wins and losses with a high degree of accuracy tends to be meticulous enough to understand there is an unbeatable disadvantage. The message I am getting is that he needed a reason to excuse his inability to stop playing. If that is the case, he should find no support here to keep it up.
thecesspit
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March 27th, 2014 at 11:24:10 AM permalink
Quote: skrbornevrymin

Adolf Hitler was part Jewish (on his mother's side). Denial is a powerful thing.



The claim is on his father's side, but is unsubstantiated. He may have had Jewish heritage, but he wasn't Jewish. Same way I may have Viking Heritage, but I am not a Viking.

As gr8player, he may or may not have had a 53% strike rate.

However, over the samples he was talking about, it was not proof of anything. I contend he was unable to do basic probability mathematics and failed to understand half of the Maths he quoted and said he used.

I have no idea of his parentage, though.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
Nareed
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March 27th, 2014 at 11:40:37 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I wasn't comparing them.



Over the last 18 months, unfortunately, I've had occasion to learn much of what makes you angry. Let me tell you one thing that makes me angry: when someone does something bordering on insensitive, and then denies having done so.

Talking Holocaust denial to Jews is a very hostile act on a level that does not compare to talking about betting systems here, no matter how angry you get when people discuss mathematical nonsense as if it were serious. If you'd said "How about a Ravens fan promoting Baltimore at a Steelers forum?" That woulda have been on the same level of antagonism we're talking about.
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal
AxelWolf
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March 27th, 2014 at 12:00:35 PM permalink
Someone mentioned Gr8player does not have a large enough sample size. Oh but he does, he lost over 250k from what he has told us. He then revised his system to work better. Revisions are as follows: Bet less per hand and red chip it.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Wizard
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March 27th, 2014 at 12:14:27 PM permalink
Quote: Nareed

Talking Holocaust denial to Jews is a very hostile act on a level that does not compare to talking about betting systems here, no matter how angry you get when people discuss mathematical nonsense as if it were serious.



I never claimed the level of hostility was the same, and even prefaced my remark with "Maybe this is a bad comparison." However, I think it is possible to have a discussion about the merits of free speech using Holocaust denial as an example, without being accused of being insensitive about it.

I might add that Holocaust denial is illegal in Germany.
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rxwine
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March 27th, 2014 at 12:15:58 PM permalink
Maybe Wizard could start an alternate site to cater openly to the casinos. That is where he would let Gr8 run a whole section on Bac.

Title something like "Winning Casino Play". Yes the title could be confused as to player's winning, but means, Casino winning (in very small print at the bottom).
Quasimodo? Does that name ring a bell?
AxiomOfChoice
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March 27th, 2014 at 12:27:31 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Someone mentioned Gr8player does not have a large enough sample size. Oh but he does, he lost over 250k from what he has told us. He then revised his system to work better. Revisions are as follows: Bet less per hand and red chip it.



I was actually curious about this -- that's why I asked him for his biggest loss ever. I had heard rumors of this $250k loss, but I don't think I ever heard it directly from him.

FWIW, he replied that the most he ever lost in a night was $12k. And he claimed that he lowered his bets since then, and is black chip now (not sure if that is min or max)

Also, he had claimed to have a negative progression, without explaining exactly what it was.
gpac1377
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March 27th, 2014 at 12:35:26 PM permalink
Quote: gr8player

I hope that no one harbors any ill-will towards me, as I surely hold no grudges towards anyone here. It's all good...


Looking at the poll results, it appears that you won the vote, but lost the election on a technicality. (Al Gore sends his sympathies.)

gr8player, I trust you'll find a more receptive venue for discussion. Silence is not an option :)

Best wishes.
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