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aceofspades
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February 17th, 2014 at 5:14:59 PM permalink
Quote: Doc

On the other hand, I think a forum in which discussions are so restricted that members cannot make teasing jibes at one another would be boring as all get-out.




I think part of the fun of my trip reports are EvenBob's posts rooting against me, including posting photos in an effort to distract me or show his feelings about my wins or losses although, if I am on full tilt, I do make it known I am not in the mood for his posts but, as in life, if I want the good, I have to accept the bad
Canyonero
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February 17th, 2014 at 5:43:22 PM permalink
Here's my take:

Why not differentiate between "ex officio" and "upon complaint".

"Ex officio" suspensions would only happen responding to the gravest of offences, while a suspension "upon complaint" would require the alleged insultee to report the infracting post to the moderators - then a strict no insults and no ad hominem policy should apply. No complaint - no action. (There is always the option of warning somebody if a post is close to an ex officio suspension.)
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February 17th, 2014 at 6:06:38 PM permalink
Quote: Canyonero

Here's my take:

Why not differentiate between "ex officio" and "upon complaint".

"Ex officio" suspensions would only happen responding to the gravest of offences, while a suspension "upon complaint" would require the alleged insultee to report the infracting post to the moderators - then a strict no insults and no ad hominem policy should apply. No complaint - no action. (There is always the option of warning somebody if a post is close to an ex officio suspension.)



What you're talking about (and I'm just learning the finer points, so this is my impression only) is very similar to what's happening now as to ex officio. But part of the moderator job is to take the onus off of a complainer and enforce the house rules without the need of a complaint; after all, it's public. If the decision is taken out of the members' hands by a preponderance of the evidence (the post/thread/PM) then that allows a person to stand up for themselves without having to be a "whiner" or "tattler" or whatever. The other part is to try and make an impartial call on both parties' behalf; if someone is offended, that doesn't automatically mean an offense was committed. I think a 2 tier application for "strict no insults and no ad hominem" based on whether the complaint was made would be a very slippery slope if S&W were otherwise in effect, and sort of sets a trap for a poster, though they would have to have said something at least questionable to spring it.

Part of how I can tell the moderation on this board has been so good previously is that most of it occurs without leaving a ripple. The ugly stuff flares every couple of months, but gets taken care of, and considering how much traffic there is, that's a pretty good rate for a forum.
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Mosca
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February 17th, 2014 at 6:51:51 PM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

True story, when the big tire fire hit here in 1990 NY Times story here, the two idiot kids that did this ended up at the group home I was working at. They were just typical teenage idiots who thought lighting a fire would be fun, not realizing that burning 14,000,000 tires would have such an impact on the environment.

But I'm off topic, hey hey.



When we were teenagers in the early '70s, a couple of my friends went down to one of the old coal mines in southern Allegheny County. They filled a hole with trash and paper, and poured gasoline in it and ran away.

It is still smoldering.
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February 17th, 2014 at 10:41:38 PM permalink
Riiight... and your Linda-Lovelace-obsessed friend witnessed Watergate, too, I'm sure.
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Nareed
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February 18th, 2014 at 7:35:42 AM permalink
Quote: strictlyAP

i do not block it because occasionally someone post something in there that is gaming relative, its that plain and simple,



I'll let you in on a secret: 99.999% of all threads in the off-topic area will be about off-topic subjects. If you don't want to see that, you should block it. If you don't want to block it in the off-off-off-chance you might miss something that's not actually off-topic, then accept the trade-off you chose to make and have the dencency not to complain about every single off-topic thread psoted to the off-topic area.

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and I'm not trying to attack you just curious why if you have zero interest in gaming why you would post here



I ask again: do you think I would vacation in Vegas every year if I had zero interest in gaming? Check your premises. Furhter, do you think I would read a site called the Wizard of Odds, then follow that into a message board, if I had zero interest in gaming? Really, you need to check your premises. Contradictions do not exist, you know.

I'm just not fanatical nor deeply interested in gaming. it's something I do for an extended period of time once a year. It's relaxing and thrilling at the same time, I like it, I enjoy it, it helps me bleed off a lot of stress and frustration accumulated over the rest of the tyear, and best of all I can afford it.

My interest in gaming is how to best employ my gaming money at games I enjoy. This does not mean AP, which carries a lot of philosophical and moral issues, and it does not mean only playing the absolute lowest-edge game I can find whether I enjoy it or not. Thus no BJ of any kind (I don't like it), nor slot machines, nor many other things. It also means knowing which VP to play, where, and most important how, finding out about new games, finding out the cost of such games, etc.

I posted more about gambling five years ago when the board first opened. I've learned most of what I want and need, though sometimes I can apply that to other areas (I'm considering a very exact analogy of VP as an application of the Moral Luck problem, for example). But over the course of posting about VP, craps, and even BJ believe it or not, one comes to know a bit, a tiny bit, about the other people here. Then I want to get to know some of them better. then I want to share things with them, openly and haphazzardly, perhaps. Things like history and my love of it, my very unexpected (to me) knack for cooking and how much I enjoy it, the latest sceince fiction book I've read, and so on. Others feel exactly the same, or want the same things, so they post here on other topics as well.

This was also the one community I moved in at the time I basically solved my gender issues where I felt confortable coming out. And that means a great deal to me. WoV will always have a special place in my heart just for that, and for how many people here responded, and how nice some were to me when meeting me in person at WoVCon ][ and ]I[.

To term WoV a mere "gambling board" si to dimminish it and to trivialize its most valuable aspects, even if those aspects rankle the committed APs who want a pure, sterile space.

Does that answer your question?
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AxelWolf
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February 18th, 2014 at 7:58:02 AM permalink
Quote: Nareed

I'll let you in on a secret: 99.999% of all threads in the off-topic area will be about off-topic subjects. If you don't want to see that, you should block it. If you don't want to block it in the off-off-off-chance you might miss something that's not actually off-topic, then accept the trade-off ?

No one should have to make that a trade off.

Personally I don't care if its a 100% gambling and math forum or not, I can live in both worlds. Less talk about gambling is probably a benefit to me and good things will last longer.

I still don't understand why Threads started that have NOTHING to do with any type of math, Vegas, casinos, gambling cant be done at that other site you guys talk about. Its one thing getting off topic and Moving in other directions, one can simply bow out and move on. But, if people intentionally/or not, start topics that lead others to believe it has to do with gambling. Its a bitch to click an ditch after having to read the first post.

Once again talking about dogs and cooking have no place on this site like this IMO. Its not my site, so I have no say.

I do have a feeling Mike dose want less NON related gambling topics. So if you respect him, respect that. If not, keep on keeping on. TBH, I think I have started a few non related gambling topics, Did you PM JJ poll is the only one I can think of.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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February 18th, 2014 at 7:59:19 AM permalink
Quote: Nareed


I posted more about gambling five years ago when the board first opened. I've learned most of what I want and need, though sometimes I can apply that to other areas (I'm considering a very exact analogy of VP as an application of the Moral Luck problem, for example). But over the course of posting about VP, craps, and even BJ believe it or not, one comes to know a bit, a tiny bit, about the other people here. Then I want to get to know some of them better. then I want to share things with them, openly and haphazzardly, perhaps. Things like history and my love of it, my very unexpected (to me) knack for cooking and how much I enjoy it, the latest sceince fiction book I've read, and so on. Others feel exactly the same, or want the same things, so they post here on other topics as well.

This was also the one community I moved in at the time I basically solved my gender issues where I felt confortable coming out. And that means a great deal to me. WoV will always have a special place in my heart just for that, and for how many people here responded, and how nice some were to me when meeting me in person at WoVCon ][ and ]I[.

To term WoV a mere "gambling board" si to dimminish it and to trivialize its most valuable aspects, even if those aspects rankle the committed APs who want a pure, sterile space.



So beautifully put, I wish I had wrote it myself =)

I, too, came here for gaming. Being a fresh faced casino employee, I needed knowledge, and needed it fast. WoO and WoV gave me everything I needed and more, and like most everyone here, I established relationships with people. While new gaming knowledge is slow to come and often fades to zero, those relationships remain.

And just like Nareed's "coming out", I too have put myself out there. My entire divorce is completely cataloged somewhere around page 40 of the Recent Threads list. A certain member was there for me and took the time to contact me when my g/f was diagnosed with a brain tumor. Several more have been invited into my town and into my personal life by way of my DT threads, all of which caused us to bond and become more than just "internet strangers" on a mere "gambling board".

So we talk. If something is about gaming and "in my wheelhouse", so to speak, I'll hop in and offer anything I can. But gambling is not my thing, and questions about things I consider myself learned in are few and far between. So in the meantime, we talk. Fishing, cooking, the nature of infinity, how ghey a Miata is, whether counting should start at "0" or "1", what .999... really means, what happens if you drill a hole through the Earth, who can best pick NFL games, and how much we all wish the Patriots plane would just crash already. We talk.

And it's a beautiful thing =)
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AxelWolf
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February 18th, 2014 at 8:06:26 AM permalink
Dam I cant even Finnish typing something before me or someone gets suspended. Ouch! if you suspend JJ and we will have no Women left other then BBB, But she dose not count since she has turned to the dark side;)
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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February 18th, 2014 at 8:37:28 AM permalink
The "community" of WoV only exists because of the "off-topic" stuff.

Sorry, you can only grouse about your gambling losses for so long...

And, for that matter, only one thing for too long.

There are ALOT of members here for a lot of different reasons., I like to play Craps, I want to learn how to play better, learn stick calls when I play at home, and how to make payouts simpler so that I don't look stupid in front of my friends.

And Face pointed out, some folks here were a real help with his Divorce and his G/F's illness.

*I* however, am *not* a member of the community. *I* come and go and post and read when I can. I am that guy at the other end of table who buys in for $100 and then sevens out and busts quickly. Nobody really notices as the game continues. But the dealers (mods) and boxman (Wiz) will be here tomorrow and the next day. The regulars come around and ask about the weather, and the *others* like me, drop in, shoot a little and then move on till we can return again.

Its not about a sterile gambling site. Its not about the times that suspensions may fly for whatever reason. Its about folks being comfortable finding what they need when they drop by....

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