Union members protest Adelson's political donations
When I read the headline, I assumed it would be union members that worked for the Sands in some capacity...nope, just members from the Nurses union who were in town for a convenient, along with other local union members.
And I guess the follow up would be "And our union and this protest is the poster child of what is right in this country".
The nurses are right.....let's get rid of Adelson! Wait a minute, without him putting in $1B of his own money to help save LVS in 2008 maybe all 40,000 of those current LVS employees are out of a job.
But we don't need jobs to fix the current mess this country is in, we need more union protests directed at job creators!
They're protesting that he donated some of his PERSONAL MONEY do some politicians?
What he does with his own money should be nobody's business.
If they want to protest something, how about protesting his fat paycheck, which probably cost a couple union members some money of their own. After all, if it wasn't for that fat paycheck, he wouldn't have the money to donate to the politicians.
I hate unions. THEY are what's wrong with this country.
I attended one union meeting in my life. In 1985 I got a job as a DJ in a new nightclub in a unionized hotel. Before the meeting started, I asked the union rep one question: "How do I get out of the union?" He asked me who I was, etc, looked it up and told me that my job title doesn't fall under the union contract. I.E. I shouldn't have even been there in the first place. See ya!
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They're protesting that he donated some of his PERSONAL MONEY do some politicians?
As opposed to unions who donate confiscated union dues money to some politicians against the will of (some) members
I'm perfectly ok with unions, they are sometimes necessary. Mandatory unions are criminal though.
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They're protesting that he donated some of his PERSONAL MONEY do some politicians?
What he does with his own money should be nobody's business.
If they want to protest something, how about protesting his fat paycheck, which probably cost a couple union members some money of their own. After all, if it wasn't for that fat paycheck, he wouldn't have the money to donate to the politicians.
I hate unions. THEY are what's wrong with this country.
I attended one union meeting in my life. In 1985 I got a job as a DJ in a new nightclub in a unionized hotel. Before the meeting started, I asked the union rep one question: "How do I get out of the union?" He asked me who I was, etc, looked it up and told me that my job title doesn't fall under the union contract. I.E. I shouldn't have even been there in the first place. See ya!
Spiders are what I hate. Wait, they keep the Mosquito population in check!
employees. I can confidently tell you that many of the Sands Corporation employees love working for the company.
There are many heart warming stories about Sheldon's and Miriam's (his wife) generosity and kindness that even
extend into the medical arena. And, as far as it goes - what a man does with his own money is his own business.
"It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see."
-Henry David Thoreau
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They're protesting that he donated some of his PERSONAL MONEY do some politicians?
What he does with his own money should be nobody's business.
Could be worse, if he lived in IL then the gaming control board might deny him a license entirely for what he does with his personal money.
Quote: AZDuffmanIf he lived in IL then the gaming control board might deny him a license entirely for what he does with his personal money.
Your point is presumably that the oversight extends to perfectly legal spending (as opposed to criminal or other illegal activities), right?
How do they control what that licensee's spending is, profit-and-loss statements, 1040's?
Quote: onenickelmiracleThey should have protested his abusing the company to pay dividends a year earlier for his personal benefit.
And the benefit of all those other greedy capitalists.....uhhhh.....I mean shareholders. The horror!!
Quote: ParadigmAnd the benefit of all those other greedy capitalists.....uhhhh.....i mean shareholders. The horror!!
For personal gain, not necessarily at the benefit of the shareholders. I haven't seen a capitalist in 13 years. I thought they were extinct. Just to be clear, I think if you have to rely on the government in any way to make money, you are not a capitalist.
Adelson loaned LVS $2 Billion dollars when the company was about to become insolvent at the heart of the depression? It is because of Adelson, a bunch of people still have jobs, decent paying jobs that a lot of hard working unemployed former hospitality/gaming employees in LV would love to have right now.
Unfortunately, a lot of other casino's didn't have an owner like Adelson and closed down, never got finished, etc. As a result, there are too many people unemployed in LV through no fault of their own......they just worked for a place that didn't have the financial resources that an owner like Adelson can draw on to keep the ship floating during the downturn.
But you are right.....get out there and protest over the dividend distribution......he is truly an evil guy.
Quote: ParadigmCan you explain how he personally gained and the other shareholders of LVS didn't as dividends were paid to all shareholders? Also, why is a dividend distribution a bad thing? How were the employees of LVS affected by this?
Adelson loaned LVS $2 Billion dollars when the company was about to become insolvent at the heart of the depression? It is because of Adelson, a bunch of people still have jobs, decent paying jobs that a lot of hard working unemployed former hospitality/gaming employees in LV would love to have right now.
Unfortunately, a lot of other casino's didn't have an owner like Adelson and closed down, never got finished, etc. As a result, there are too many people unemployed in LV through no fault of their own......they just worked for a place that didn't have the financial resources that an owner like Adelson can draw on to keep the ship floating during the downturn.
But you are right.....get out there and protest over the dividend distribution......he is truly an evil guy.
It was done to save him money, not for the benefit of the share holders. I think it is pretty simple and doesn't need explanation.
Quote: SanchoPanzaYour point is presumably that the oversight extends to perfectly legal spending (as opposed to criminal or other illegal activities), right?
How do they control what that licensee's spending is, profit-and-loss statements, 1040's?
No, my point is that in Chicago if you donate to the "wrong" causes or are not approved buy the "right" people you will be denied a business license.
Quote: timbo123I have lived in Las Vegas for 15 or more years now and it gives me an opportunity to visit casinos and talk with the
employees. I can confidently tell you that many of the Sands Corporation love working for the company. There are
heart warming stories about Sheldon and Miriam (his wife) generosity and kindness that even extend into the medical
arena.
"It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see."
-Henry David Thoreau
Shelly's philanthropy is well documented as is Miriam's. Do you have any specific examples? Is it an Undercover Boss type of thing with the employees? I just can't picture him on the casino floor schmoozing with his dealers. I know of one employee who made a good faith commitment to the Venetian only to have the rug pulled out from under him.
Quote: onenickelmiracleIt was done to save him money, not for the benefit of the share holders. I think it is pretty simple and doesn't need explanation.
But didn't it save other shareholders money as well? See it isn't simple, you won't answer the question as to how he benefitted and all the other shareholders didn't. Answer the question asked....
And why should Union members protest this as you indicated? They were hurt how exactly? Answer the question asked......
And I assume you go through life making decisions about your employment, your business, your personal life in a manner that doesn't save you money. Is that correct as well?
Saying it is pretty simple and then offer no logic is pretty weak. When you actually offer up support for your statements and answer the questions I asked after your initial remark, I'll respond to you intelligently, but until then, this exchange is a waste of time.
Quote: BuzzardDO NOT confuse union leaders with union members. Two different agendas, believe me
What Buzzard said.
story, undocumented rumors. It is only in the sum total and multiplicity of the collective good/bad that we may even begin to
quantify enough of the blarney mill output to consider it to have some validity. For example, unions and the Fertittas brothers
(Station Casinos) have been fighting for years. Yet, as I visit Boulder Station, Palace Station and Red Rock and talk with
employees, generally speaking, they are happy to have jobs and pleased that Station Casinos emerged from bankruptcy. In
toto, dspite the long term hate fight the Fertittas have with unions, employees seem content with the Fertitta's ownership
and stewardship. Ditto Sheldon Adelson. And yes, it is more of an undercover boss kind of thing where an employee
problem is passed along upward and then Mr. or Mrs. Adelson react in a compassionate fashion. I stand by any comments
I may make. What a man may do with his own money is his own business. Unions, casinos and their owners are powerful
in Las Vegas and opinion regarding them will always be dished out to stroke one's personal emotional preferences in a
positive or negative fashion.
"I am not afraid of tomorrow, for I have seen yesterday and I love today."
-William Allen White
Quote: timbo123Specific examples? If I cite specific examples of comments provided to me by Sands Corporation employees - these are, like your
story, undocumented rumors. It is only in the sum total and multiplicity of the collective good/bad that we may even begin to
quantify enough of the blarney mill output to consider it to have some validity. For example, unions and the Fertittas brothers
(Station Casinos) have been fighting for years. Yet, as I visit Boulder Station, Palace Station and Red Rock and talk with
employees, generally speaking, they are happy to have jobs and pleased that Station Casinos emerged from bankruptcy. In
toto, dspite the long term hate fight the Fertittas have with unions, employees seem content with the Fertitta's ownership
and stewardship. Ditto Sheldon Adelson. And yes, it is more of an undercover boss kind of thing where an employee
problem is passed along upward and then Mr. or Mrs. Adelson react in a compassionate fashion. I stand by any comments
I may make. What a man may do with his own money is his own business. Unions, casinos and their owners are powerful
in Las Vegas and opinion regarding them will always be dished out to stroke one's personal emotional preferences in a
positive or negative fashion.
"I am not afraid of tomorrow, for I have seen yesterday and I love today."
-William Allen White
I was referring to the Wizard's experience with the Venetian. I don't consider that an undocumented rumor.
"Politics is the art of defendng that which is indefensible."
-Author unknown
Quote: timbo123I can confidently tell you that many of the Sands Corporation employees love working for the company.
I would not be among them.
daughter with leukemia. The Adelson's flew the child and her parents to St. Jude's Hospital in Memphis, TN and I understand her
treatments and their stay and all expenses were fully paid for. If it is the same child, then I heard variations of this story at least
once or twice before. If this story has any validity, then I am fairly sure you have heard of it as well. Over the years I have heard
other stories attributed to the Adelson's as acts of kindness as well. I am sorry to read of your dislike for the Sands. Corp. Yet,
I look at our town and see so much of the dark side of unemployment that I am grateful for the 40,000 jobs they bring to our
struggling city. And, in passing, I wonder - is this the same Wiz from years ago, who once taught at UNLV?
"Be not simply good; be good for something."
-Henry David Thoreau
Quote: timbo123is this the same Wiz from years ago, who once taught at UNLV?
Yup.
In all fairness, my Venetian insurance, which I chose to COBRA, came in handy with my recent three-night hospital stay. I think my wife paid a $100 deductible, and that was it. I'm not sure what my previous cheapo insurance would have paid, but they seemed to find an excuse to not pay lots of medical bills.
Quote: WizardYup.
In all fairness, my Venetian insurance, which I chose to COBRA, came in handy with my recent three-night hospital stay. I think my wife paid a $100 deductible, and that was it. I'm not sure what my previous cheapo insurance would have paid, but they seemed to find an excuse to not pay lots of medical bills.
Good news with the COBRA! But I would like to apologize to you for my scant play at the Venetian in July/December of this past year. They really deserve as little of my tiny action as possible, even if they are the nicest looking casino in Las Vegas.
Quote: timbo123Then I will tell you the latest story I was told by a Venetian security employee who said he loved working there. An employee has a
daughter with leukemia. The Adelson's flew the child and her parents to St. Jude's Hospital in Memphis, TN and I understand her
treatments and their stay and all expenses were fully paid for. If it is the same child, then I heard variations of this story at least
once or twice before. If this story has any validity, then I am fairly sure you have heard of it as well. Over the years I have heard
other stories attributed to the Adelson's as acts of kindness as well. I am sorry to read of your dislike for the Sands. Corp. Yet,
I look at our town and see so much of the dark side of unemployment that I am grateful for the 40,000 jobs they bring to our
struggling city. And, in passing, I wonder - is this the same Wiz from years ago, who once taught at UNLV?
"Be not simply good; be good for something."
-Henry David Thoreau
Okay, you're a Sheldon Adelson fan and there's certainly nothing wrong with that. As I said in a previous post his philanthropy is well documented and he is to be commended for it. There is a very long list of benefactors in and out of the casino industry so he is hardly unique. A few that come to mind are Steve Wynn, Andre Agassi, Wayne Newton, The Caesars Foundation, Phil Ruffin and Mr. and Mrs. Penn Jillette. Many, many more prefer to do their good work anonymously.
That was a touching story that the security person told you and I know that all expenses were paid. You know how I know? I know because every patient gets free treatment every time and every child and one parent get free lodging every time. It's all paid for by St. Jude. It is St. Jude not St Jude's.
provides employment for 40,000 people. And, when I make my annual check out to a Memphis charity, I write St. Jude Children's
Research Hospital as the payee. However, as a lifelong Catholic, and a frequent user of English, it is customary to use an apostrophe
and "s" to denote ownership/possession. St. John's, St. Raymond's, St. Jude's, etc. Look - I am not here in any confrontational sense.
I live in Vegas and leave comments relating to my experiences as a resident. If you have a problem with that - I'd suggest you take
it up with the wizard.
"Dormire bene. Si felice. Vivere a lungo." (Sleep well. Be happy. Live long).
-Author unknown
What exactly is it that you think I have a problem with and what does the Wizard have to do with it?
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What exactly is it that you think I have a problem with and what does the Wizard have to do with it?
The latter part is he was hired by the Venetian and his position was eliminated not even 6 months later. Since most of this forum thinks the Wizard does great things with regards to gaming, most of us aren't huge fans of the Venetian, or Adelson.
Quote: tringlomaneThe latter part is he was hired by the Venetian and his position was eliminated not even 6 months later. Since most of this forum thinks the Wizard does great things with regards to gaming, most of us aren't huge fans of the Venetian, or Adelson.
Yes, I alluded to the Wizards Venetian experience in my first response to timbo and mentioned him by name in my second. If anyone wants to know how despicable and just plain rotten this company, under Mr. Adelson's control, was to one of it's employees it's all here in this forum. Does anyone think that this was an isolated incident?
What I don't understand is why timbo would think I have a problem with his comments and why, if I did, he would tell me to take it up with the Wizard. I also find it somewhat odd that a member who joined this forum over three years ago suddenly decides to start posting now, not that there's anything wrong with it. I feel that the more Las Vegans here the better.
