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OnceDear
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August 23rd, 2020 at 2:00:33 AM permalink
Quote: kewlj

Alan, I am not going to call you a liar because that would be an insult, but you are lying. Quite frankly, my experience with you over 3 years on several forums has been that of a man incapable of telling the truth, right from the intentional blurry pictures you took. That was fundamentally dishonest and you have only gotten worse from there.

I assume I am not allowed to link to another forum, so I will just post word for word 2 quotes of Alan's that are most revealing.



Quote: AlanMendelson

I'm going to make this easy for you Kewlj.

I quit.

Wizard... once again I'm asking you to disable my account.

I'm outta here.

Kewlj has the last word.




This bickering should have been nipped in the bud, several pages ago, IMHO.
But we are where we are. The thread has been hijacked with a disagreement imported from VCT.

And now it's time for a time out, so here's what I'll do.

Alan, I'm going to suspend your account for 3 days. Not as a penalty for anything, but because you asked Wizard to suspend you. After those 3 days, I'm going to unsuspend and then you can choose to stay or go. If you choose to stay, you might want to Block KewlJ.

KewlJ, I see that you are trying to stay within the rules here, but I sense that your frustration is getting the better of you. Some folks just don't debate in the same way as we might like or expect.

In considering whether you overstepped the mark and insulted Alan: my logic is this....

"Alan is a liar" : Would be a clear Personal Insult
"Alan is lying" : Would still be a personal insult, as it implies the same and is not given as an opinion.
"[Alan is] a man incapable of telling the truth," : Another personal insult.
"I don't believe Alan for one second" : Not a personal insult as it is an opinion.

KewlJ, I'm going to suspend you for 3 days, for your general attack on his personal integrity in red above. I'm sorry this wasn't nipped in the bud sooner.
Take care out there. Spare a thought for the newly poor who were happy in their world just a few days ago, but whose whole way of life just collapsed..
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August 23rd, 2020 at 6:34:31 AM permalink
I personally enjoy watching this, but I am tuning in to this thread because I'm truly interested in the topic of Vegas shutting down and appreciate the insight of folks who are actually there. I have a trip booked in September and would like to know if I should cancel in time to get my deposits back.

Keeping posts on-topic related to the title would be an extremely positive improvement on this forum, although my experience elsewhere is that going off on a very severe tangent that has nothing to do with anything is a common occurrence. So there is no hope in that regard. But if the admins ever decided to add an off-topic deletion policy, or splitting off a divergence, I would be in favor of it. But from what I've seen, implementing it would, in and of itself, generate even more forks in the road.

Returning to the off-topic topic, it's no longer about how many tables can be counted. It's like that movie where the main character is being beaten to a pulp by the bad guy (Cool Hand Luke?) and everyone in the crowd wants the guy to just stay down, but he keeps getting up to get pummeled, again, and again, and again. The thread is now two or three more levels removed from it's origin, and, in fact, from any reality. It's like two punch-drunk, senseless fighters going at it with no real recollection of what it is they're fighting about. They should both stop getting up after every knockdown. Maybe three days will do it, but I'm betting the over on how many more days it will take.

I'm going to start a new thread with an appropriate title. I'd appreciate, for my own benefit if for no one else, replies that stay on point.
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August 23rd, 2020 at 2:03:52 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

Quote: kewlj

Alan, I am not going to call you a liar because that would be an insult, but you are lying. Quite frankly, my experience with you over 3 years on several forums has been that of a man incapable of telling the truth, right from the intentional blurry pictures you took. That was fundamentally dishonest and you have only gotten worse from there.

I assume I am not allowed to link to another forum, so I will just post word for word 2 quotes of Alan's that are most revealing.






This bickering should have been nipped in the bud, several pages ago, IMHO.
But we are where we are. The thread has been hijacked with a disagreement imported from VCT.

And now it's time for a time out, so here's what I'll do.

Alan, I'm going to suspend your account for 3 days. Not as a penalty for anything, but because you asked Wizard to suspend you. After those 3 days, I'm going to unsuspend and then you can choose to stay or go. If you choose to stay, you might want to Block KewlJ.

KewlJ, I see that you are trying to stay within the rules here, but I sense that your frustration is getting the better of you. Some folks just don't debate in the same way as we might like or expect.

In considering whether you overstepped the mark and insulted Alan: my logic is this....

"Alan is a liar" : Would be a clear Personal Insult
"Alan is lying" : Would still be a personal insult, as it implies the same and is not given as an opinion.
"[Alan is] a man incapable of telling the truth," : Another personal insult.
"I don't believe Alan for one second" : Not a personal insult as it is an opinion.

KewlJ, I'm going to suspend you for 3 days, for your general attack on his personal integrity in red above. I'm sorry this wasn't nipped in the bud sooner.

You go girl! *Z-snap
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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August 24th, 2020 at 12:09:08 PM permalink
I guess I just don't see the point of arguing 30+ pages. Seems like a waste of time and effort at that point.

What's the status on mask usage in Las Vegas right now? I know at McCarran recently people were pretty good about it.
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August 24th, 2020 at 12:13:42 PM permalink
Quote: Minty

I guess I just don't see the point of arguing 30+ pages. Seems like a waste of time and effort at that point.

What's the status on mask usage in Las Vegas right now? I know at McCarran recently people were pretty good about it.



I would say over 95% of places are enforcing the mask rule. I saw a fight break out in a bar over the weekend because a patron didn't want to wear the mask and another patron had a problem with him not wearing it.
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August 24th, 2020 at 1:56:42 PM permalink
It's a shame that it would happen that way. People shouldn't go to these places that are enforcing it if they won't follow the rules.
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August 24th, 2020 at 2:20:38 PM permalink
Quote: Minty

It's a shame that it would happen that way. People shouldn't go to these places that are enforcing it if they won't follow the rules.



You are absolutely correct. In this case it was at a bar so I assume alcohol may have been involved.
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August 24th, 2020 at 3:29:19 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

You are absolutely correct. In this case it was at a bar so I assume alcohol may have been involved.



With different states there are different levels of enforcement and that could play into it in a place that draws people nationwide. In IL, where I live, you need a mask to enter a bar or restaurant and can take it off when seated at your table. If you have to, for whatever reason get up, you have to put it back on. The level of enforcement I am hearing from people who have recently visited Vegas is they make you keep the mask on unless you are actively eating or drinking. That is a level of enforcement that is more strict than many places nationwide
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August 24th, 2020 at 3:32:24 PM permalink
Attempting to prove or disprove chat forum claims in the context of what is essentially an anonymous internet chat forum of words is about as useful as trying to prove someone witnessed an alien autopsy.

What the Wizard suggested to actually verify it with witness is about as close as you will get. Granted, that witness must equal the Wizards own credibility....which is probably #1 on this forum.

Lotta wasted bandwidth of whose internet claim is strongest....or even strong.
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August 24th, 2020 at 7:50:21 PM permalink
If an Alan falls in the forest and no one was around to hear it, does he make a sound?

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