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billryan
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August 17th, 2020 at 11:01:41 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

I would think it would be higher than 1% if each person committed 100 to 200 hours practicing.



You mean after they spent several hundred hours learning to count in the first place, then put in another couple dozen learning the indices? Smashing a cinder block with your bare hands is also a skill most people could learn. It's also almost as useful.

I'm sitting at table A betting $25 a hand in a mostly neutral spot. Table B has the count go way positive. Problem is I'm in the middle of a hand. How many times will I be able to finish up and jump to the other table before the dealer starts the next hand, while raising my bet from $25 to $100? It seems like an awful lot of effort for very little gain. I'd think the ability to track two tables while standing twenty feet away having a smoke would be a much better skill to practice.
kewlj
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August 17th, 2020 at 11:30:26 AM permalink
Did 21forme really get suspended for calling someone a "hack"?

Do mods no longer say when and why someone is suspended?
darkoz
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August 17th, 2020 at 11:40:31 AM permalink
Quote: kewlj

Did 21forme really get suspended for calling someone a "hack"?

Do mods no longer say when and why someone is suspended?



Sometimes they do.

There appears to only be two mods right now, Wizard and Oncedear.

BBB was quite involved here so her disappearance is exacerbated.

Face chimed in sporadically but I haven't seen him since March or April.
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August 17th, 2020 at 12:05:18 PM permalink
Quote: kewlj

Did 21forme really get suspended for calling someone a "hack"?

Do mods no longer say when and why someone is suspended?

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/rules/5288-suspension-list/#post71165
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August 17th, 2020 at 12:13:42 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/rules/5288-suspension-list/#post71165



Again, I ask, is calling someone a "hack" an insult?

My understanding is that "hack" is sort of an unfavorable term to describe journalist, who's work you don't feel to be of a certain quality or standard.

So Alan is NOT a journalist! Alan WAS a journalist 20 years ago, I believe a consumer journalist, the guys that give fair and honest opinions of products and services for the TV station.

Now Alan is a pitchman, using his name and credibility in his former job, to endorsing products THAT PAY HIM TO ENDORSE THEIR PRODUCTS. That seems the very definition of a hack.

And regarding this discussion, of tracking a second table, Alan has based his argument, in part on his journalism background. Three years ago when this discussion started, Alan jumped up at 3 am and ran to Mirage and took intentionally blurry pictures of a blackjack table and said "see it can't be done". That was not the act of a journalist. That was clearly the act of a hack.
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darkoz
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August 17th, 2020 at 1:02:17 PM permalink
Quote: kewlj

Again, I ask, is calling someone a "hack" an insult?

My understanding is that "hack" is sort of an unfavorable term to describe journalist, who's work you don't feel to be of a certain quality or standard.

So Alan is NOT a journalist! Alan WAS a journalist 20 years ago, I believe a consumer journalist, the guys that give fair and honest opinions of products and services for the TV station.

Now Alan is a pitchman, using his name and credibility in his former job, to endorsing products THAT PAY HIM TO ENDORSE THEIR PRODUCTS. That seems the very definition of a hack.

And regarding this discussion, of tracking a second table, Alan has based his argument, in part on his journalism background. Three years ago when this discussion started, Alan jumped up at 3 am and ran to Mirage and took intentionally blurry pictures of a blackjack table and said "see it can't be done". That was not the act of a journalist. That was clearly the act of a hack.



Best thing is to avoid any names period.

Even truth can be insulting.

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BTW, when it comes to stocks, please don't call me short either :)
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redietz
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August 17th, 2020 at 1:25:10 PM permalink
I did not know "hack" as a noun is also a tool for cutting. Hmmm. Learn something new every day.

The problem with suspending someone for calling someone else a hack is that it's just mildly pejorative and it's a very subjective call. Like, technically, if someone calls me a "tout" as opposed to a "handicapper," that's about on the same level as "hack" versus "journalist." Or calling an attorney a "mouthpiece." All about the same.
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August 17th, 2020 at 1:35:52 PM permalink
I hacked more rolls of quarters from the bank. I've got about a years' worth. Hope it's enough.
I went to the big mall today and (not counting too well because I'm exhausted walking around with absolutely nowhere to sit and the water fountains for drinking are shut off) maybe a third of stores are closed, having a going out of business sale, or are already cleared out since the mall opened 6 weeks ago. Wanna buy something at the food court, take it outside. Paid for my $1.08 BK frozen Fanta on a credit card, so there goes some of that profit margin.
AlanMendelson
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August 17th, 2020 at 1:37:36 PM permalink
Quote: 21forme

a hack/compulsive gambler,



Kewlj you are very selective in your quotes.
kewlj
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August 17th, 2020 at 2:37:19 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

Kewlj you are very selective in your quotes.



What are you saying, that it was the degenerate gambler part that you cried to management about?

You have told us that you have won 100k several times from a casino and yet still never had a winning year.

You got married at a craps table in a casino.

These are not normal behaviors, but rather that of someone with a problem. And if that is not enough, your own son, came to a forum that you participated on, declaring that you were a degenerate gambler. He said your gambling left you unable to pay your debts to him and others. He said it has effected your relationship with your children and grandchildren. He stated that you are broke most months several days after you get your pension and social security. Are we supposed to just ignore all that? Not talk about it? Pretend it isn't there, when it is completely related to the anti-AP position you always take with me and other AP's.

It doesn't make you a bad person, in my mind. People make choices. Like I said, "it is what it is". But I'll be damned if we are supposed to pretend otherwise when we get into a topic that your "issue" is why you are trying to discredit others.

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