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AlanMendelson
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August 16th, 2020 at 12:04:38 AM permalink
Quote: Minty

As far as I know, he didn't say you couldn't delay your own game. He explicitly mentioned that it's not necessarily thing to be perfect, so yeah, if someone else is in your field of vision it's not a big deal. The conditions have to be right. Instead of making a straw man argument it might do good to at least consider that it is possible under the right circumstances.

Kewlj, from my limited experience with it, I can't tell you how great it is to meet other APs in person. To get a better sense of community, comraderie and get a better feel for who the people you've been messaging are. AP can be lonely sometimes and sharing the experiences can be really nice!



The right circumstances? Yes. I know a small casino in Compton, California where they have three blackjack tables arranged in a tight circle and the dealers literally stand back to back. Yes, there you can sit and see the cards on the other table to your left or right.

BUT KEWLJ HAD ME GO TO TREASURE ISLAND where the tables were in a straight row with four to five feet apart and you'd have to twist your head like Linda Blair in the Exorcist to see the action on your left or right.

GO TO A CASINO AND SEE FOR YOURSELF.

JUST DO IT.
Minty
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August 16th, 2020 at 12:09:18 AM permalink
First off, that's a great reference, thank you.

I'll be in the area in the near future. I'll see what I can see. I've never made the attempt before, but I could see it being quite practical. Wouldn't be as practical right now with the limited seating.
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kewlj
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August 16th, 2020 at 12:16:49 AM permalink
Alan, I can appreciate that tracking a second table seems illogical to you, so I am trying not to take your challenge of me personally, but it really does seem pretty personal. You have hung on to this for years now, continuing to challenge me, despite that a number of known successful blackjack players have confirmed that they have at times also employed this technique.

Have you given some thought that this just isn't your field of expertise, and you just don't know what is possible? I mean it just seems like you are just hell bent on proving me wrong about something you just don't know about.
AlanMendelson
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August 16th, 2020 at 12:47:33 AM permalink
Quote: kewlj

Alan, I can appreciate that tracking a second table seems illogical to you, so I am trying not to take your challenge of me personally, but it really does seem pretty personal. You have hung on to this for years now, continuing to challenge me, despite that a number of known successful blackjack players have confirmed that they have at times also employed this technique.

Have you given some thought that this just isn't your field of expertise, and you just don't know what is possible? I mean it just seems like you are just hell bent on proving me wrong about something you just don't know about.



I've hung onto it because I actually sat in a middle seat at tables at TI and Caesars and Red Rock and Suncoast and Bellagio and I couldn't twist my head far enough to see all the cards and then there was a problem with the timing of the dealers dealing and other players affecting the field of vision.

VERY SIMPLY: INSTEAD OF EVERYONE TELLING ME IM WRONG GO SIT AT A TABLE YOURSELF.

There are no plexiglass dividers at Red Rock.
21forme
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August 16th, 2020 at 6:34:56 AM permalink
Counting a second table is very doable, not in all circumstances, but some. There are plenty of APs who do it. And I may be wrong, but I believe I introduced the concept to KJ about 15 years ago in online discussion/emails back and forth. It depends on table position, where players are sitting, etc. I haven't read this entire thread, so I don't know if KJ mentioned it, but we've both played at a casino in the east that has a mirrored ceiling over the pit. It is possible to count a second table across the pit using the ceiling.

Speaking of the east, back in the days of Sands AC, the pit was visible from an open second floor/balcony. A spotter could stand up there, count 2 tables, and signal his teammate where to go.

KJ - I don't know why you are trying to convince Alan of anything (though I do agree that a video of the ASM hack would be most revealing). From the limited number of posts of his that I've read, he appears to be a hack/compulsive gambler, not an AP. Carrying on endless discussions like this is clearly a no-win, and is what got you into trouble on multiple forums in the first place. I suggest you let it go and let Alan wallow in his ignorance.
AlanMendelson
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August 16th, 2020 at 7:02:08 AM permalink
Quote: 21forme

he appears to be a hack/compulsive gambler,



Why are you libeling me? You don't know me. I don't know you. I doubt we've ever met.
coachbelly
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August 16th, 2020 at 7:14:18 AM permalink
Quote: 21forme

a video of the ASM hack would be most revealing



Regarding the ASM's clumping of 10-value cards...during the period when the clumped section of the shoe is being dealt, do either the dealer or players have an advantage?
MJGolf
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August 16th, 2020 at 7:55:48 AM permalink
Coach:
Are you asking about the "theory" of clumping? If you are, the general conspiracy theory is that if the table is in a group/clump of high cards then everyone gets a 20 or 21, including the dealer and he pushes or wins against everyone... if he has a BJ. In a clump or grouping of low cards, most people would be playing basic strategy and not draw a card against the dealers face up low card. Then since no one draws, thinking dealer would bust, he draws out due to being in a low card clump.

The theory of clumping has probably been around since the 80's BUT in Professional BJ, Wong has a section on his analysis that totally debunks it.
MDawg
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August 16th, 2020 at 8:00:23 AM permalink
Vegas might as well be closed right now - it's 113 degrees there. Who would want to go in that heat?

Las Vegas hits 113, breaks daily record, ties hottest day of 2020
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I tell you itís wonderful to be here, man. I donít give a damn who wins or loses. Itís just wonderful to be here with you people. https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
21forme
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August 16th, 2020 at 9:06:22 AM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

Why are you libeling me? You don't know me. I don't know you. I doubt we've ever met.


What I know of you is what I've read on the forum. I know you've been gambling a long time and in a recent post, you wrote about playing craps and being welcome in all casinos. Libel requires a false statement that defames. What have I said that's not true?

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