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June 3rd, 2020 at 7:18:36 AM permalink
Quote: michael99000

And also, if you do return to the casino and begin your AP work, how does unemployment become aware of it? I guess itís just on the honor system that people will stop collecting.

For those called back to a W2 type job, the employer is supposed to notify the unemployment office. Or notify them that they called an employee back to their job and the employee declined.



It starts out as the honor system. If you are answering fraudulently, you are committing a crime.

My wife is a dentist. I do wonder if she is theoretically supposed to take the Burger King job? There are MANY of those available. It seems reasonable, at least to me, that she looks for only dentist jobs. Wife's daughter's boyfriend is on layoff from Panera, now making $300 a week from NYS and $600 a week from the Feds. So $900 unemployed as opposed to $600 . I am guessing he only considers a return to his original job acceptable. Unless forced, do you think he'll take the $600 a week BK job instead of his $900 a week sit at home and drink beer gig?

I mean, seriously, he is making the equivalent of $45k a year to do NOTHING.
kewlj
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June 3rd, 2020 at 10:29:13 AM permalink
I will tell you the way I am handling it: I filed for my last week the other day, for the week ending 5/30. The casinos are open tomorrow and whether I choose to go back or not makes no difference. The opportunity is there.

To me this opportunity to collect unemployment, based on expanded eligibility, was about the one time, highly unusual circumstance that the government shutdown all casinos. I and many other people in all fields had no choice in the matter, so I appreciate lawmakers recognizing that and expanding eligibility for this crisis. The minute casinos open, this unusual circumstance is over for me.

Also, I am mostly a blackjack card counter AP, with a small amount of supplementary play. So what if I go back tomorrow and there are no more blackjack card counting opportunities? Well that is on me. I mean what if all the card counting blackjack opportunities had suddenly dried up 6 months ago? I wouldn't have been able to collect unemployment. I would have either had to adapt or go into another line of work. When the casinos re-open, which they are for me, tomorrow, this opportunity ends and we go back to I as a self employed once again taking on that responsibility.
Venthus
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June 3rd, 2020 at 12:01:11 PM permalink
In CA, the questionnaire asks if you're self-employed (ie, PUA, not UI), if you attempted to resume your self-employment... strictly in terms of what it asks on the self-certification, you can't really refuse offered work, but you don't really have to go looking for it either. In the case of being a professional gambler, I wonder how the argument of "Mailers are a solicitation of employment" would fly.

It also actively rejects any kind of input that says "I worked, but didn't and don't expect to get paid for it."
AlanMendelson
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June 3rd, 2020 at 1:29:11 PM permalink
First, I'm not sure all states allow pro gamblers to claim these special unemployment benefits, but Nevada did.

Secondly, the law was written by Cingress so you did not have to provide proof that you looked for a job.

There was a reason for this.

Congress just wanted to pump out money, so they did it fast and easy.

The question now is if they will do it again. Remember the $600 / week was a maximum of only 13 weeks. That's peanuts.
kewlj
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June 3rd, 2020 at 2:04:15 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

First, I'm not sure all states allow pro gamblers to claim these special unemployment benefits, but Nevada did.



I don't know why you think that? This bill is supposed to cover gig workers, self employed, self contractors...period. Let's take it out of the pro gambler example and use Uber/lift driver. Supposed to be eligible and covered. So if an Uber driver in California was eligible and an Uber driver in Kansas was not that wouldn't make sense.

Now one of my early thoughts was that as a professional player living in Nevada, I would be at an advantage over say a pro player living in say North Dakota, simply because Nevada should be more familiar with the concept of professional gamblers. I could just see the guy in North Dakota filing as a professional Gambler and the state unemployment office responding "what now?"

So I thought Nevada being the unofficial home of casinos and gambling would be an advantage in claims moving through smoothly. Turns out that was backwards as Nevada seemed to be about the absolute worst at processing these claims. Of course that wasn't specific to pro gamblers. Nevada couldn't seem to get their act together on any of the self employment, "gig" claims.
speedycrap
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June 3rd, 2020 at 2:20:00 PM permalink
For unemployment insurance. An unemployed NASA engineer does not have to look for work at Burger King as a dish washer. If that NASA engineer refused work as an engineer at SpaceX, then the UI will stop.
I have the impression that the posters here are pretty well off. So government hand out in this dire and dim situation is seen as some kind of waste. Remember, the reason for the government act is to calm everybody down.
AlanMendelson
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June 3rd, 2020 at 2:46:21 PM permalink
Kewlj rather than guess, did you happen to ask New Jersey or Pennsylvania if they covered gamblers?

Is there any pro gambler on this forum living outside of Nevada who got unemployment?
kewlj
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June 3rd, 2020 at 3:21:00 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

Kewlj rather than guess, did you happen to ask New Jersey or Pennsylvania if they covered gamblers?



No Alan, I didn't check New Jersey or Pennsylvania, or Alabama, or Idaho, or anywhere else. Why would I? I live in Nevada. My financial guy contacted me early on, like the day after the bills was passed and told me I should qualify. I didn't even have time, nor was planning on asking him.

If you checked those places tell us what you found.

Quote: AlanMendelson


Is there any pro gambler on this forum living outside of Nevada who got unemployment?



Yeah, you probably aren't going to get a good answer or sample size to that question, either involving the AP's here in Vegas and on this site, or living outside of Vegas. The pro gambler crowd is a weird group. They don't like to admit to anything, much less that they filed for unemployment. As if that is some sign of weakness or lack of success or achievement as an AP. I don't feel that way.

The government shut down casinos. They expanded eligibility to cover self employed people making a living off other industries. That is me, just the same as the Uber driver who has no customers because all business were shut down. Just the same as anyone else unable to make a living because the government shut down businesses. I am not embarrassed, nor feel bad about collecting unemployment under these circumstances. Had they not expanded eligibility to include people like me I wouldn't have cried about it, but I think and am impressed the government did the right thing. You close almost all businesses, how are people supposed to make a living, whether directly employed or self employed, contractors, "gig" workers that need those related businesses to make a living.
AlanMendelson
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June 3rd, 2020 at 3:55:49 PM permalink
I'm really interested in finding out if other states approved pro gambling. I didn't check.

The reason other states might not have approved it is that the initial law also blocked aid to casinos, individuals with a large percentage of income from gambling, and sex workers.

The rules on casinos were later modified.

I was surprised that the Las Vegas Review Journal got the statement from the state that pro gamblers would be covered.

Based on the other "industries" that were blocked consider it a gift.
Venthus
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June 3rd, 2020 at 4:01:29 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

The reason other states might not have approved it is that the initial law also blocked aid to casinos, individuals with a large percentage of income from gambling, and sex workers.



Did sex workers anywhere in the country that it was legal get to collect PUA? (Or UI, if they're on payroll. Which... sounds weird.)

In other news, I came across a rather amusing article talking about how a lot of places were sold out of Sexy Nurse costumes because they were using it as an excuse to test of they had a fever... and kick them out if they were.

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