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February 27th, 2017 at 8:39:39 PM permalink
Back to the original question...
Quote: LuckyPhow

So, my questions are, "What are dealers paid in other places? And what are the usual working conditions (benefits, breaks, food, etc.)?"

Isn't there a website that lists the salary and conditions for dealers from a large number of casinos? I recall that the data is the result of anonymous surveys.
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February 28th, 2017 at 1:56:42 AM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

The one who makes $30 an hour - because his appetite is whetted and his eyes are bigger.
The one who makes $10 an hour - because he is hungrier.
ad infinitum.....

Seriously, it's just a matter of personal integrity, you don't know who is a crook or not until the tire hits the road when on the job.



If you are making $30 an hour and you steal money from players, you are a straight up idiot! Making $240 a day before taxes, insurance, etc) (4800 a month before taxes, insurance, etc) is much more than many people make in 2 months.
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February 28th, 2017 at 2:39:51 AM permalink
Quote: Nathan

If you are making $30 an hour and you steal money from players, you are a straight up idiot! Making $240 a day before taxes, insurance, etc) (4800 a month before taxes, insurance, etc) is much more than many people make in 2 months.



Money is all relative. Who is likely to steal. Person making $12 hr living at home or person making $25 with a $1800 month mortgage?
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February 28th, 2017 at 2:48:01 AM permalink
Quote: GWAE

Money is all relative. Who is likely to steal. Person making $12 hr living at home or person making $25 with a $1800 month mortgage?



Okay, good point, but I am hoping the one who has an $1800 month mortgage would downgrade to a cheap apartment where they have to live with 3 different roommates for $400 a month so they wouldn't have to think they would need to steal.
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February 28th, 2017 at 3:04:13 AM permalink
Quote: Nathan

Okay, good point, but I am hoping the one who has an $1800 month mortgage would downgrade to a cheap apartment where they have to live with 3 different roommates for $400 a month so they wouldn't have to think they would need to steal.



Except when that person used to make $75 an hour. You clearly have never been on the management side of businesses.
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February 28th, 2017 at 4:43:47 AM permalink
Quote: GWAE

Except when that person used to make $75 an hour. You clearly have never been on the management side of businesses.



If you used to make $75 an hour, get a cheaper apartment. My point still stands. There should be no excuse for stealing. A person who is making $10 an hour and steals from his job has a good REASON to steal, not a good EXCUSE. There is a difference between reason and excuse in my opinion. For example, Tom is has a very nasty fall and is given a suspiciously high dosage of painkillers from his very legitimate doctor and he fills it at his very legitimate pharmacy and the pharmacist blindly fills the prescription. Tom takes the suspiciously high dosage of painkillers the next day and drives under the legal drugged influence and gets into an accident that kills another person. The court finds him legally not responsible for his action. They instead sue Tom's doctor and the pharmacist.

Now this is different. Tom graduates from college after excruciating hard studying. He goes out graduation night/morning with his buddies and gets wasted with 10 shots of whiskey and gin. He feels good and feels he can drive home safely. He speed drives under the influence of the whiskey and gin and crashes his car into another car and kills someone. He is sentenced to prison for DUI, reckless driving, and vehicular manslaughter. He drank way too much was the REASON he killed a person. But it is no EXCUSE.
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February 28th, 2017 at 4:54:15 AM permalink
Quote: Nathan

If you used to make $75 an hour, get a cheaper apartment. My point still stands. There should be no excuse for stealing. A person who is making $10 an hour and steals from his job has a good REASON to steal, not a good EXCUSE. There is a difference between reason and excuse in my opinion.



You must be in an alternate universe. Life does not work that easy. If you used to make 75 and now make 25 with 24 years of your 30 year mortgage it is not that easy to just move to an apartment.

I never said stealing was the right thing to do so your point still makes no sense. My point is, it does not matter what your income was in order to determine who is most likely to steal. When people steal they do it for 1 of 2 reasons. They are either just a bad person looking to take shots or they are desperate and do it because they feel there are no other options.
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February 28th, 2017 at 6:17:18 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Back to the original question...Isn't there a website that lists the salary and conditions for dealers from a large number of casinos? I recall that the data is the result of anonymous surveys.

There used to be, though its accuracy and timeliness were often in doubt. Now of course its non-existent. I would expect the Evil Empire to let it be known that they would fire anyone who posted information there and I would expect them to actually do it too.
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February 28th, 2017 at 6:40:04 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Back to the original question...Isn't there a website that lists the salary and conditions for dealers from a large number of casinos? I recall that the data is the result of anonymous surveys.

There used to be a paper newsletter in the mid-2000s which listed tips at Las Vegas casinos each week.

Casino Dealer News (2014)
http://www.casinodealersnews.com/toke-report/

Here's some data (mostly 2008-2009).
http://www.vegas-aces.com/Root/tips/states/nevada-lasvegas.html

From an old 2010 WoV thread,
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/2777-what-does-a-dealer-make/
Quote: mkl654321

There is a newsletter called "The Dealer's News", which publishes reported tokes for the month/week; however, they've gone to a subscription-based website, so all you can see is a blurred version of the report.

The last time I saw the print version was last summer (2009), where the reported tokes/shift were as low as $32 in a couple of downtown grind joints, and $450+ at Caesars. The basic numbers seemed to be mostly in these ranges: Downtown, $40-65, Local's joints, $45-90, Low-end Strip, $70-190, High-end Strip, $110-500.

These numbers are added to a base wage that is almost always minimum federal, with perhaps $1/hr more for some positions. Many dealers have told me that all of the base wage goes to pay the taxes on the tokes.

Quote: Paigowdan

Some local casinos in the LV area are about $25 to $75 a day in tips on top of minimum wage, or $3.12 to $9.37 an hour.

There are "break-in" local joints like Joker's wild, the Western, El Cortez, the Longhorn, etc at about $30 a day.

Then there are "comfortable" local places like Green Valley, Texas Station, Boulder Station, Sam's Town, Fiesta Henderson, Cannery properties, Golden Nugget, Main Street Station, Sunset Station, etc. Tips = $50 to $110 a day there.

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P.S. In Ireland, casino dealers don't like tips. They make a good salary, and when you tip it means the house is losing.

Dealers should know that some players come from countries where tipping in casinos is NOT the norm.
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February 28th, 2017 at 7:23:28 AM permalink
Quote: Nathan

If you are making $30 an hour and you steal money from players, you are a straight up idiot! Making $240 a day before taxes, insurance, etc) (4800 a month before taxes, insurance, etc) is much more than many people make in 2 months.



I knew an Atlantic City blackjack dealer who a few decades ago stole $80,000 from his table over the course of a number of months, (and was never noticed!), and used that money to start a construction business in another state that made him a millionaire. I told of his history a few times here.

At the time he made that much in tips plus the additional $15K a month in theft. Years later he went back, told his story to the casino execs there, offering to repay - and was told to go away in a "this didn't happen and would just cause problems now" vein.

He didn't think he was an idiot, he thought he was a genius. Strangely, it could not have worked out better. In hindsight he realized that if life were fair he'd have done a ton of time.

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Dealers should know that some players come from countries where tipping in casinos is NOT the norm.


Players can know tipping here is the norm. When in Rome....
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