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MGM RESORTS COMPLETES REOPENINGS OF PROPERTIES WORLDWIDE WITH RETURN OF PARK MGM AND NOMAD LAS VEGAS ON SEPTEMBER 30

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Upon Opening, Park MGM/NoMad Will be Las Vegas Strip痴 Only Smoke-Free Casino-Resort

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September 14th, 2020 at 7:15:18 AM permalink
awesome!
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September 14th, 2020 at 7:50:10 AM permalink
Does anyone actually think they will stick with the non-smoking?

I will bet it doesn't last a year.
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September 14th, 2020 at 8:33:46 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

Does anyone actually think they will stick with the non-smoking?

I will bet it doesn't last a year.




I applaud the effort. Now we will see if the public does. I have my doubts, but no smoking policies have worked in just about every other industry. When Arizona passed the no smoking in bars laws, everyone I talked to said it wouldn't be strictly enforced and/or it would drive many bars out of business. Turned out they were wrong.

I'll accept your wager. Shall we bet the usual one dollar?
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September 14th, 2020 at 10:43:00 AM permalink
Smoking inside has basically been shoved from society....taverns, stand alone bars and smoking lounges notwithstanding. The fact that it痴 still allowed in casinos is a health and safety travesty.
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September 14th, 2020 at 11:36:05 AM permalink
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September 14th, 2020 at 1:12:41 PM permalink
Frankly, in hind sight anyway, I知 surprised they didn稚 do that when they renovated the Monte Carlo.
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September 14th, 2020 at 1:46:30 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

I applaud the effort. Now we will see if the public does. I have my doubts, but no smoking policies have worked in just about every other industry. When Arizona passed the no smoking in bars laws, everyone I talked to said it wouldn't be strictly enforced and/or it would drive many bars out of business. Turned out they were wrong.

I'll accept your wager. Shall we bet the usual one dollar?



I will take your $1 wager. The difference in your scenario was that all of the bars were mandated to non smoking. I think it would work too if applied to every casino.
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September 14th, 2020 at 2:15:02 PM permalink
They are betting that the policy will attract more new customers than it alienates old ones. I think it has a realistic shot at succeeding.
The question is what does MGM do if it does succeed?
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September 14th, 2020 at 2:21:25 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

I applaud the effort. Now we will see if the public does. I have my doubts, but no smoking policies have worked in just about every other industry. When Arizona passed the no smoking in bars laws, everyone I talked to said it wouldn't be strictly enforced and/or it would drive many bars out of business. Turned out they were wrong.

I'll accept your wager. Shall we bet the usual one dollar?




The difference is a state law (like Arizona) means all buisneses in that industry must go smoke free.

When just one casino does, they have to compete with all of the casinos that still offer smoking or at least have smoking areas.

In AC Revel tried to open as a smoke free casino and was crushed (granted many other issues), but they did end up allowing smoking (though in AC, smoking is only allowed in designated 25% of the casino , which I think is a fair compromise). So, every casino has "smoke free" areas. But, I have a feeling a casino surrounded by smoking casinos will scare off smokers (who tend to gamble more), I would not be surprised if they eventually offer a smoking section (even if they don't go 100% smoking).
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September 14th, 2020 at 2:31:51 PM permalink
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They are betting that the policy will attract more new customers than it alienates old ones. I think it has a realistic shot at succeeding.
The question is what does MGM do if it does succeed?



Even if it does attract more customers I doubt that they will gamble like the smokers. Smokers gamble more than non-smokers.
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September 14th, 2020 at 2:48:29 PM permalink
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Even if it does attract more customers I doubt that they will gamble like the smokers. Smokers gamble more than non-smokers.





Do they? Even if that is true, I suspect a lot of non-gambling non-smoking vegas visitors will welcome the change.
We will know in a year, maybe less.
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September 14th, 2020 at 3:19:21 PM permalink
Quote: Gandler

In AC Revel tried to open as a smoke free casino and was crushed (granted many other issues)...

Please don稚 assume that Revel痴 problems were mostly about smoking. They were mostly about bad management decisions.

The had announced upon opening that there was going to be almost no comps. Even for high rollers. That was the biggest problem.

But the big problem regarding no smoking was NOT the no smoking rule per se, but that they didn稚 have ANY accommodations for smokers. You had to go off property to smoke. You couldn稚 even smoke outdoors if it was on Revel痴 footprint.

Specifically, there was no smokers lounge. This, despite the fact that there was a space near the front desk that was about 20 x 50 oval, OPEN AIR, with a bar, a couple fire pits, and a small stage. It was designed to be a smoking lounge, but smoking was not allowed.

That痴 the kind of stupid decision that killed Revel.
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September 14th, 2020 at 3:55:34 PM permalink
I applaud the Park MGM!

Hopefully they don't change their minds (Revel) or go under (Silver City).
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September 14th, 2020 at 3:56:47 PM permalink
I think it痴 a great strategy and a great location to pilot this. They池e sandwiched between two other MGM properties (NYNY and Aria). If the customers really want to smoke while gaming, they just go next door. They池e not necessarily losing any market share to a competitor. However, I know a lot people who are fed up with the smoke and would happily drop whatever their loyalty status (Caesars, Grazie, etc) to stay and play at a smokeless casino.
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September 14th, 2020 at 5:29:11 PM permalink
Here in Reno, the Atlantis Race and Sportsbook has been nonsmoking for years. Wish other casinos would follow and expand
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September 14th, 2020 at 5:56:57 PM permalink
In the Biloxi market, the Palace casino has been no smoking for several years.

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September 14th, 2020 at 6:15:16 PM permalink
I am so going to Park MGM to support the business.

I wish there was a federal law so ALL properties were smoke-free. That way no property would be at a competitive disadvantage.

Especially with Covid being a respiratory illness spread by aerosols, it makes absolutely no sense that smoking is allowed in any indoor place.
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September 14th, 2020 at 7:19:36 PM permalink
I don't smoke, so happy to see this news, but I still wouldn't go to Park MGM. I don't like the property. It feels like a soul less generic olive-colored box. No playable VP, no poker (I don't think) and nothing really to keep my interest. It's drab, right down to its name.
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September 15th, 2020 at 7:39:54 AM permalink
Quote: DogHand

In the Biloxi market, the Palace casino has been no smoking for several years.

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Point well taken. Many said the Palace Casino wouldn't make it as a non-smoking venue, but it survived. I've never seen it crowded, and the selection of table games is limited.

The Island View Casino in Gulfport built what is basically a second, non-smoking casino as part of the same property. I haven't been for over 2 years, but the "smoking" side always seemed busier than the "non-smoking" side. Regardless, the non-smoking side apparently generates enough non-smoking traffic.

It puzzles me why the Biloxi casinos that allow smoking -- some 30+ stories tall -- report that only 5 or 6 floors are non-smoking floors. I'm not sure where all the smoking gamblers stay overnight, but this doesn't add up.

And, it puzzles me why a gambler in Vegas can puff away blowing tobacco smoke everywhere, but gamblers cannot puff away blowing cannabis smoke. AFAIK, all the Biloxi casinos have "non-smoking" sections. If that's true in Vegas, folks who don't like the smoke have a non-smoke gaming area available.

Never any easy answers. However, I'm glad Biloxi/Gulfport supports (what I consider to be) 2 non-smoke casinos. I confess, I thought the original non-smoke proposal for the Palace was pretty chancey, don'cher know?
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September 15th, 2020 at 8:55:14 AM permalink
Nothing like the smell of skunk in the hallways. We need skunk free hotels!
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September 15th, 2020 at 10:18:13 AM permalink
Legal marijuana is on the ballot in Arizona this election and it appears that it will pass easily. Current polling has it at about 60% in favor.
If the formerly conservative state passes it, I think you will see a domino effect where another dozen or more states get on the bandwagon.
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September 15th, 2020 at 10:28:04 AM permalink
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Legal marijuana is on the ballot in Arizona this election and it appears that it will pass easily. Current polling has it at about 60% in favor.
If the formerly conservative state passes it, I think you will see a domino effect where another dozen or more states get on the bandwagon.



Major irony that the liberal NYS hasnt passed any
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September 15th, 2020 at 10:43:26 AM permalink
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Major irony that the liberal NYS hasnt passed any

Cuomo has been an opponent but latest news is he is now in favor. Legislation that was expected to pass got sidetracked by COVID. Likely to be back in 2021.
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September 15th, 2020 at 2:47:08 PM permalink
My guess is we are in a different time right now and Park MGM will fare no worse with or without smoking.

The time is long past to stop the practice of people having to breath second hand smoke indoors. It痴 a health concern and we outlawed it in movie theaters, restaurants and numerous other places because it痴 a health risk we no longer tolerate.
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September 15th, 2020 at 3:34:29 PM permalink
A bold move for sure, they have essentially thrown down on the smoking casinos. In the final analysis it is, as it should be, free choice. God bless America and death to all her enemies.
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September 15th, 2020 at 3:40:50 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Do they? Even if that is true, I suspect a lot of non-gambling non-smoking vegas visitors will welcome the change.
We will know in a year, maybe less.

I've noticed quite a few people who don't normally smoke... when they come to Vegas they add some light smoking in with the rest.

Under normal circumstances I would make this bet in a heartbeat, however, with the covid-19 I could see that extending how long they will stay smoke-free.
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September 15th, 2020 at 4:45:08 PM permalink
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I've noticed quite a few people who don't normally smoke... when they come to Vegas they add some light smoking in with the rest.



I知 sometimes in that camp. It enhances the vice aspect of Vegas.

In fact, when I smell cigarette smoke, it triggers a desire in my brain to visit a casino.

That said, I would prefer that all my gambling were done in a smoke-free environment.

Perhaps only dive casinos with a craps table should allow smoking 庸or the sake of history and atmosphere.
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September 15th, 2020 at 6:41:41 PM permalink
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I知 sometimes in that camp. It enhances the vice aspect of Vegas.

In fact, when I smell cigarette smoke, it triggers a desire in my brain to visit a casino.

That said, I would prefer that all my gambling were done in a smoke-free environment.

Perhaps only dive casinos with a craps table should allow smoking 庸or the sake of history and atmosphere.

Smoking prevents you from getting covid-19. I suggest no less than 10 packs a day.
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September 16th, 2020 at 2:07:12 AM permalink
Appreciate the effort! I think this is the first non-smoking casino resort in Las Vegas
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September 16th, 2020 at 5:35:05 AM permalink
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Appreciate the effort! I think this is the first non-smoking casino resort in Las Vegas



The Silver City went smoke free, but it didn't last. They went out of business a short time after. I wouldn't call that place a "resort" though.
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September 16th, 2020 at 8:01:34 AM permalink
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The Silver City went smoke free, but it didn't last. They went out of business a short time after. I wouldn't call that place a "resort" though.



I remember the Silver City and I played there a few times. Where was it located? Was it by the Peppermill?
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September 16th, 2020 at 9:03:14 AM permalink
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The Silver City went smoke free, but it didn't last. They went out of business a short time after. I wouldn't call that place a "resort" though.


But a strip resort catering to convention folks and smoke free customers has a much better chance.
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September 16th, 2020 at 9:27:43 AM permalink
Wasn't the Westin smoke-free. While not on the strip, it fit my description of a Vegas resort.
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September 16th, 2020 at 9:45:31 AM permalink
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Wasn't the Westin smoke-free. While not on the strip, it fit my description of a Vegas resort.

not that I can remember, if it was ,it didn't last long.
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September 16th, 2020 at 10:41:03 AM permalink
Park MGM has struggled since day 1 after the rebrand from Monte Carlo. It痴 not a nice enough property to satisfy people who are used to Aria/Bellagio levels of luxury but it痴 too nice for the Luxor/Excal crowd. And the whole atmosphere of the place is just kind of 澱lah. It can have a good vibe when there is a Lady Gaga or Aerosmith concert going on, but most of the time it痴 just lifeless and dead in there.

I read a while back that pre-pandemic they were having such trouble getting people to stay and play at Park MGM that hosts from other MGM resorts were able to book their players for stays at Park MGM and those hosts from the other property would still get credit for their player痴 Park MGM trip.

So it makes sense that they池e using it as the guinea pig to see if gamblers will go for a non-smoking casino. What do they have to lose?
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September 16th, 2020 at 12:34:26 PM permalink
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not that I can remember, if it was ,it didn't last long.




Wiki says the Westin was one of the first resorts to ban smoking in most areas of the resort. I couldn't find much else in a quick internet search, nor did it give dates.
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September 17th, 2020 at 11:33:21 AM permalink
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Park MGM has struggled since day 1 after the rebrand from Monte Carlo. It痴 not a nice enough property to satisfy people who are used to Aria/Bellagio levels of luxury but it痴 too nice for the Luxor/Excal crowd. And the whole atmosphere of the place is just kind of 澱lah. It can have a good vibe when there is a Lady Gaga or Aerosmith concert going on, but most of the time it痴 just lifeless and dead in there.

I read a while back that pre-pandemic they were having such trouble getting people to stay and play at Park MGM that hosts from other MGM resorts were able to book their players for stays at Park MGM and those hosts from the other property would still get credit for their player痴 Park MGM trip.

So it makes sense that they池e using it as the guinea pig to see if gamblers will go for a non-smoking casino. What do they have to lose?


Park MGM was Murren痴 renovation baby. He wanted to get away from themed resorts. In retrospect, it probably should have been left as the Monte Carlo. The place is blah. Eataly is very nice.
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September 17th, 2020 at 12:56:31 PM permalink
Didn't Debbie Reynolds own a casino, and wasn't that the very first one to go smoke free?
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September 17th, 2020 at 1:07:22 PM permalink
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Didn't Debbie Reynolds own a casino, and wasn't that the very first one to go smoke free?



She did in the mid-90s, and I知 guessing that it was smoke-free because of all the Hollywood memorabilia (costumes, dresses, and ruby red slippers) she had displayed on site.

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September 17th, 2020 at 5:01:53 PM permalink
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Wiki says the Westin was one of the first resorts to ban smoking in most areas of the resort. I couldn't find much else in a quick internet search, nor did it give dates.



Re: dates - after casuarina, when even the casino just carried the Westin name. So, short lived, I guess.
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